TheFugitive

June 19th, 2015 at 1:26 PM ^

That's cool for him, but Weezy sucks ass.  I hope he gives the crowd a pamphlet with lyrics to match his set list.  Too much sizzurp for Mr. Wayne.  

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Bergs

June 19th, 2015 at 1:36 PM ^

He's just old now (all the greats have fallen off after hitting age 30). But he was dropping that heat from like, '06-'09.

Bergs

June 19th, 2015 at 2:21 PM ^

I like to think of rap careers as analagous to sports careers in terms of age and corresponding decline. I don't know why that is. Perhaps because rap is treated as more disposable than any other form of music, especially by the artists themselves?  

I think a lot of rappers start out with dreams of hitting it rich rather than actually creating a respectable catalog of music. I'm a huge rap fan and can think of very few artists who have created solid album after solid album (especially mainstream artists). The way that artists/music were promoted compounded this problem, especially during the late '90s and early '00s.

I think things are beginning to turn a corner, with popular artists churning out respectable album after respectable album (Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Big Sean, etc. -- I think Kanye deserves a tremendous amount of credit for this turnaround). Time will tell whether or not this adds longevity to their careers.

Bergs

June 19th, 2015 at 4:37 PM ^

I think that only helps to prove my point. What I didn't include in the sports analogy is that with a lot of guys it's like going to the pros straight out of high school. Their musical careers start when they're 18 so by the time they're 30 they're bound to fall off.

drjaws

June 19th, 2015 at 11:24 PM ^

How does that help your point? He has been a recording artist since he was 9. He is 35 and still doing it. Jay-z. Dr. Dre.

The sports analogy doesn't work. Even the best athlete in the world are done by 45. There are dudes who have been in the "pros" for 30 years.



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JeepinBen

June 19th, 2015 at 2:29 PM ^

I mean, one good example is Jay Z - dude's now in his 40s and a dad. It's a lot harder to be rapping about selling weed, bitches, etc. as a 40 year old dad than it was as a 27 year old.

I think there's also a level of acceptability that no longer makes rappers "cool' rappers. If Ice Cube dropped a great album, wouldn't he still be the guy from the Coors Light ads and "Are we there yet"? Once rap songs (and their artists) go mainstream and grow up, some of that edge is gone.

justingoblue

June 19th, 2015 at 3:45 PM ^

It's a lot harder to be rapping about selling weed, bitches, etc. as a 40 year old dad than it was as a 27 year old.

I think it's almost the opposite of this, actually.

If Jay-Z tried to unironically relese a single like Big Pimpin or Money, Cash, Hoes today it would come off as disingenious and fake. Instead we're getting singles like Tom Ford because his world is made up of $7500 suits and $2000 shoes, and Empire State of Mind because he can write a retrospective from a corner office at this point.

Eminem is another good example. He couldn't seriously release another Slim Shady album even if he wanted to, but being a depressed and angry addict isn't where he's at any more, either. Now we hear 90's references and talk of not being the biggest star on the planet any more in Rap God and ending a fifteen year old storyline with his mom on Headlights

I don't think every older rapper just loses their skills, I think it has a lot more to do with their material not being as relatable as they get older and have different lives/perspectives than before they were famous and wealthy.

I 100% agree about the "cool" part, though, not ending up dated is really tough.

Bergs

June 19th, 2015 at 4:32 PM ^

I'm a huge Mos Def fan, but I'm not going to act like everything he put out after BOBS was even half as good as that album. His musical career has lasted due to the fact that he put out two incredibly influential underground albums (Black Star and BOBS) in the late '90s. He's been living off that fame ever since.

I'm not saying he can't continue to perform (I've seen him live a couple times in the last 5ish years), but he's a shell of himself as far as his lyrics and sound are concerned.

wolverine1987

June 19th, 2015 at 4:15 PM ^

Almost every great musician there is (in rock anyway) IMO did their best work in the 20's, from the Beatles (I'm including the solo work of Lennon and McCartney)  to Elton John to to U2 to Foo Fighters. Not that they didn't have some good songs after then, but by far the vast majority of good work was early on. Neil Young is an exception and there are others, but it's a pretty strong rule of thumb

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gmoney41

June 19th, 2015 at 4:55 PM ^

Lil Wayne's always been trash.  cornball rapper since he came on the scene as Baby's boy toy.   You people like cornball rap on this site.  Big Sean, Kanye, Jay Z get mentioned all the time.  No love for that real sh*t, Czarface, Jedi Mind Tricks, Run The Jewels???

Bergs

June 19th, 2015 at 5:13 PM ^

I sincerely hope you are under 20 years old with that BS backpack rap shtick.

"That real shit" is an annoying term that people in rap use to justify why their taste in music is better than someone else's. I cut my teeth on Native Tongues, Rawkus Records, Subterraneous Records, Rhymesayers, Def Jux, all that shit. I also love me some Kanye and Lil Wayne.

drjaws

June 19th, 2015 at 2:28 PM ^

you diss rap music is sad, considering it is one of the most prominent forms of music, and people from all genres are biting off of the rap game daily.

I get it if you don't like it . . . but to dismiss it as "not really music" means you are is disagreement with almost all music artists today.

Losher

June 19th, 2015 at 3:14 PM ^

I bet that Leon McQuay is kicking himself in the ass for not choosing michigan and making music with the guys at michigan who could have introduced him to Lil Wayne and jump started his career in the music business.