Pff... who cares about the #2 prospect in the country? He won't even be the best player to visit in the next month... What percent chance do we think that both Peppers and Hand both commit to us? 1.618% or so? Is it too early to speculate? You think it's too early to speculate. It's too early to speculate.
Jabrill Peppers and Juwan Bushell-Beatty set up Michigan visit
I wouldn't bet on it, but both have legitimate interest from what I've heard. That hasn't happened in a while.
If Peppers does not commit to Michigan, he can always play for Hoke in the NFL.... ;)
That rumor started at ohio and it shouldn't be endorsed on a site like MGoBlog! This is only serving to reinforce Urban's lies and I can't believe it got a 5. Hoke is NOT going to the NFL and anyone who tells you otherwise is a damn liar. Now let's stop spreading these baseless rumors about ourselves!
Soooo...you're saying Hoke is guaranteed to go to the NFL? Wow, that's a disappointment.
You don't seem as cranky lately, Herm. Have you been getting your exercise and eating well lately or are you giving up the shtick?
Perhaps his health plan now covers Cialis?
(I think he was refering to DB coach Jon Hoke)
My pretending to be scientific guess: 25% chance with Hand x 15% chance with Peppers = 3.75% chance of both.
Well, as long as we're being scientific, I don't think we can assume these two events are independent.
Good point. 4.152536% chance of getting both.
Although I don't know any of the factors considered in increasing the percentage from 3.65ish to 4.152536%, the fact that you said science has completely convinced me.
That's quite a lot of significant figures.
Well, you see, they'd be very significant events.
...what, that's not how it works?
as Michigan can fend off Hoke from all those NFL suitors we have a chance..
edit: damn, beaten to the punch
Must be because of all the jerseys selling in New Jersey!
The obvious question: Who's the #3 recruit and when is he visiting?
I know it's not like they've committed yet or anything, but Hoke & Co.'s ability to bring top talent to the school is phenomenal. Perhaps I'm just living the here and now, but it didn't seem to me that previous staff got as many high-profile visits [I became a Michigan fan in 2008, picked a poor year, but whatever].
Also, and perhaps even more importantly, Hoke & Co. have been able to identify talent early and get offers out early to get advantages with recruits. When they blow up on all the recruit ranking sites, Michigan will have given one of the earliest offers to the recruit, and have that much of a head start against other schools.
Keep up the good work!
I'm just going to keep saying Hoke & Co. I feel like it'd be a good general store name or something.
We haven't been contenders for players ranked this high since the Carr era. There were a few under RR who we had legitimate chances at (Dee Hart, Sammy Watkins come to mind), but not as many as under Hoke.
Just sayin... Derrick green was rated higher on rivals than both Dee Hart and Sammy Watkins. The year before Ondre Pipkins was ranked higher than either of those 2, with Kyle Kalis being just a hint behind them. I think hoke has done just fine.
I said since the Carr era, as in terms of coaches. "but not as many as under Hoke."
Ahh ok so we are In agreement... I read it to mean Carr>rr (Watkins and hart)>hoke(finally getting elite prospects now).
the poster you replied to pretty much said the same thing.
to campus. But, Carr brought a fair number. It's just that there wasn't nearly as much visibility and scrutiny as to who was visiting in the earlier Carr years, especially in the absence of sites like this. For example, just recently Marcus Ray mentioned on WTKA how Peyton Manning was taking his campus recruiting visit to U-M the same weekend. And there were a few other well known names visiting that weekend too. So, Carr was pretty good for a while at getting great players to visit. He actually signed a couple of them too!
All other problems aside, RR did have problems landing some top talent in recruiting, but in his defense, if he wasn't under the gun for the entire 2011 recruiting class and then canned, he probably would have been able or at least had a good chance of landing Dee Hart, Kris Frost, and Sammy Watkins (although maybe him to a lessor extent). Not to say that Carr or Hoke didn't and isn't doing a better job of landing top talent.
I read somewhere that they only have room for 34 this year.
So, they'll be signing 48 recruits? Righteous.
Fournette, he list Michigan as one of his favorites but is most likely going to LSU.
I'm not getting my hopes up on a top running back this year. But next year with Damian Harris and mike webber next year, I'm really hoping we can land both. Harris may be a top three back and webber a top 15.
You can get your hopes up. I doubt we get the top RB in the country again, but I'm sure we'll pick up a 4 star top-150ish kid. Our offense is great for RBs and our OL is maybe the best in the country. Add in all the other reasons Michigan is great and one top RB will jump all over that.
I agree with you that Michigan should pull in someone. on paper michigan is one of the top schools In the nation but I've had my hopes up before just to watch recruits slip away. So until they sign I try to not get to excited. I think webber and Harris will be realistic options on a elite talent.
I just want to throw out this, from 2006-2007 USC signed at RB (according to Rivals):
2006: Kenny Ashley (21 RB), Stanley Havali (3 FB), Stafon Johnson (2 RB, 18 Overall), Emmanuel Moody (9 RB, 70 Overall)
2007: Broderick Green (14 RB), Joe McKight (1 RB, 2 Overall), Marc Tyler (2 RB, 17 Overall)
Now, there is a very, very slim chance Michigan gets anywhere near this, but yeah, that's a crazy RB haul over a two year period. So other teams besides Alabama can have multiple great RB classes back to back.
Alabama from 2009-2013:
2009: Trent Richardson (2 RB, 6 Overall), Eddie Lacy (13 RB, 116 Overall)
2010: Corey Grant (5 RB, 180 Overall), Jalston Fowler (3 FB)
2011: Dee Hart (1 RB, 19 Overall)
2012: TJ Yeldon (2 RB, 12 Overall), Kenyan Drake (13 RB, 185 Overall)
2013: Derrick Henry (5 RB, 36 Overall), Tyren Jones (11 RB, 79 Overall), Alvin Kamara (2 APB, 45 Overall), Altee Tenpenny (8 RB, 53 Overall)
I can't imagine anyone is better than Yeldon. That kid is unreal. Was it Grey that took the #1 spot that year? Haven't heard of him since.
Don't get me wrong, the kid has talent, but I'll be interested to see how he does next year with a very green oline. He had the good fortune to run behind the best oline in the country this past year.
Dude broke a ton of tackles on his own.
Gray was plauged with some nagging injuries a bit last year. He still ran for 701 yards on 149 attemps on a team with a very young O-line and terrible QB play. Also had 11 catches for 151 yards. The kid is very good still and will be good going forward. I think you'll see his numbers uptick as the QB and O-line get experience and get better (O-line, at least, has talent is just young, QB for UT is still a huge question mark). I fully expect Gray and Malcolm Brown to be one of the best one-two punches at RB in the country within the next two years (assuming Brown can actually get healthy).
and our oline is already the best in the country?!?!? damn we're good.
We have genuine interest from some outstanding RBs like Mixon and Hood. These guys understand that sharing the workload is in their best long-term interest, so Green won't scare them off.
Plus, UM's odds will rise with the national RBs as more premium guys join at other spots.
We'll get at least a solid 4* and then Mikey or Damien can join for 2015.
You bring up a good point. If I was a top RB with good NFL potential, the last thing I'd want to do is carry the ball 25 times a game. Save my legs for the NFL.
I thought there was supposed to be big news coming out of there yesterday.
(edit) Wow. How did all those replies get ahead of me?
what did I miss in the Kate Upton thread? I NEEDZ TWO NO
Utah, Florida, and now New Jersey?
Great... Dantonio is going to own Michigan and Ohio again
No. Definitely not.
This definitely isn't either.
Bushell-Beatty has a Michigan offer, along with offers from Florida, Florida State, etc. He's 6-7 310, ranked #320 on 247s composite rankings. Obviously Peppers is the big get among the these two visitors, but BB is no scrub.
Seems like the staff plans to take such a guy every year. Big guy with the size to be dominate, but a bit of a project. Seems like a potential competitor to Denzel Ward in terms of securing a spot in the class.
This is good, they need tackles and so far the linemen Michigan is in best position with, Cole and Doles are interior guys. The wider the net the better with tackle prospects I say.
Yeah, as good as our O-line classes have been the last two years, we've really only taken two or three tackles. We're still short at that position.
Probably more than that though. Magnuson, Braden and LTT are tackles for sure, and Fox and Bars are OT/OG capable. And Kalis and Bosch are both guys who could play tackle if needed.
So saying we've only taken two or three tackles is not true. We've taken at least three, and probably four or five.
Braden is supposedly going to be competing at guard this spring/fall since the two tackle positions are locked up.
Yes, and Magnuson played guard in the AAA game. Most OL are flexible to some extent I'm terms of position. Are you actually saying you don't think Braden should be considered a tackle, or are you arguing without actually disagreeing?
"Magnuson, Braden and LTT are tackles for sure,"
I'm not arguing at all. But is a guy really a tackle if he plays guard? I don't know. It's a very deep question, and I'm not sure if we'll ever truly know the answer.
"It's a very deep question, and I'm not sure if we'll ever truly know the answer."
Ah I see. Sort of like the age old question of how many licks it takes to get to center of a tootsie-pop.
God you're a dick.
You really shouldn't talk to God that way.
If I had been talking to God, I would have used a comma. Aren't you a teacher?
God, you're a dick. See?
Either way, you're wrong. It looks like an interjection to me, which is usually set apart from the rest of the sentence as a parenthetical and using a comma. Whether you're talking to God or using it as interjection, you should probably either use a comma or an exclamation point.
But hey, calling people names is fun, so who cares about grammar?
Hey man, you like to dish it out, you shouldn't have a problem taking it as well. You bring it on yourself.
You'll have a hard time finding an incident where I called someone on this message board a childish name.
Fine, but a childish name is not the only was to insulting. You tend to lean more toward being condescending than outright name calling, but I don't think that's any better.
"You're an idiot."
"This isn't a difficult concept." (or whatever your lines typically are)
The point is, you like to dish it out in your own way, and people come back at you in their own way. All I'm saying is you shouldn't be surprised when people keep on you like that.
Yes. Some people point out when others are incorrect. Others call people names. The internet is just an extension of elementary school, I guess.
I'm fine with it. It's the way the world works. But if you're going to attempt to hurt my feelings by insulting me, you might as well be grammatically correct about it.
Again, it seems that you're arguing just for the sake of arguing. I think most people consider Schofield a tackle, and he played guard for a whole season just about. Guys can do more than one.
The poster above seemed concerned that we hadn't brought in enough guys to play tackle. If Braden plays guard this year, it won't be because that's where he fits best, but because we have two returning starters at tackle and none at guard.
I would argue that in the last two classes, we have at least 3 guys who project best at tackle, LTT, Magnuson and Braden. Do you disagree with that at all? I also feel that a few of the guys from those classes (one or two of Fox, Bars, Bosch, and Kalis) could play tackle very well if that's asked of them. Do you disagree with that?
Don't get into a philisophical argument about this because it makes you look like a jerk.
All I'm saying is that Braden is playing some guard. It's really not that difficult to grasp. You said he's a tackle "for sure," but he might play guard this season.
See, when you say things like "It's really not that difficult to grasp" people call you names. You bring it on yourself.
Braden in a tackle for sure. it doesn't mean he's only a tackle. Kalis is a guard, for sure. But he could also play tackle. The poster above was discussing who could play tackle for us, and that fact that some of those guys can also play other positions doesn't change it at all.
Is Gardner not a QB now because he has also played WR? Some guys can play more than one spot, it doesn't mean their name should be removed from their primary position though.
If you said "Devin Gardner is a quarterback all the way" while he was playing wide receiver for the first half of the year, it would not have been true. Your definition of "all the way" must be different than mine.
If you said that right now (since he's presumably going to be playing QB from here on out), then you might be accurate.
So it's not difficult to grasp. You're trying to read too much into it and you're creating an argument where there isn't one. The guy who's a "tackle all the way" is playing guard. It's that simple.
I'm not going to "argue" anymore because it's really not worth a hissy fit.
I didn't say "all the way" I said "for sure" as in he can certainly play that position. He was recruited to play that position and most of the talk has been about him being slotted there. Now, like many players, he's able to also play a similar position when the team needs him, but that doen't make him any less of a fit at tackle if he was needed there.
At no point did I say any of these players were tackles exclusively, which is what you seem to be arguing. I was simply listing who can play tackle. Whether or not those guys can play other positions too is immaterial.
"You're trying to read too much into it and you're creating an argument where there isn't one."
quit bickering with people Magnus. You are letting them draw you into ignorant conversations. you know the old saying 'never get into an argument with an idiot, the observer won't know who is who?'... or some shit like that.
I think you bring something to this page, but when you clutter up threads with bickering I think it just hurts your credibility. WolvLA and the other guy who always hate on your are just morons, why waste your time?
Whoa. You better check your facts, jdon. I am almost always the one backing up Magnus, for the record. And this argument was a fine discussion until Magnus drops the "this shouldn't be too hard to understand" lines out there.
That said, please tell me why you think I am a moron, jdon. Are were you just saying that? I'm serious, enlighten me.
Here are 4 reasons I think you're a moron:
1. You attacked Magnus in this thread for arguing about nothing, because he responded to your claim that Braden was a tackle "for sure" (alongside your list of people, not including Braden, who were "OT/OG capable") by suggesting that he's more likely to play guard this year. Think of his first post as moving Braden to the OT/OG capable column, and it'll be clear that there's nothing aggressive in it. At no point during the exchange, which you turned unpleasant by responding defensively, did you seem to have noticed that it's at the very least an especially technical use of language to insist on identifying a player by position if the position is not the one he's going to be playing as he transitions from high school to college.
2. You chose your doctor for his race.
3. You don't know that conducting business with somebody based on their race is problematic.
4. You just used "Are" where you meant "Or". (One of my students did that once in an email, in the course of an exchange about how he was going to have to drop the class due to an inability to complete the 200-level work.)
So basically I'm a moron because you disagree with my politics and because of a typo? That's harsh. That, and that I think Ben Braden is a tackle (like most do).
You must have a lot of morons in your life.
I thought you were a moron before you outed yourself as a racist or picked this stupid fight with Magnus or confused "our" with "are" above. (Speaking of which, is "you disagree with my politics" a typo for "you abhor my racism"? Just checking.) It crystallized somewhere around the time you decided to take great offense on your wife's behalf because I joked (unfunnily, but not very offensively so far as I can tell) that prominent lawyering gigs were not, strictly speaking, proof of intelligence. Your inability to differentiate my comment from something like "your wife is stupid lol"--which, to be clear, I didn't say and don't think--was enough to convince me. But I only promised 4 reasons above, not a complete history.
Nobody is "drawing" Magnus into any Goddamn thing. He goes out of his way to start an argument over semantics or some stupid pretense again and again. He likes to then try to belittle the person he's talking to, and try to "win" the argument through sheer determination to get the last word. It must make him feel superior or he wouldn't engage that crap.
I hate that trait in people, so I call him on it (though only a fraction of the times I see him do it).
But thanks for chiming in.
I see no value in people bickering back in forth over 'what they really mean'...
just my take...
ps. wolvla, sorry I hurt your feelings, I am sure you are not a moron but much rather a genius of untold knowledge/charisma...
Let say Magnus does try to start arguments and win them through 'sheer will'. Why should you engage in arguments with him? I know you may feel like he should be called out on it, but wouldn't it be just as beneficial for you to ignore him as well?
There have been some discussions lately about this 'board' and its race to the lowest common denominator. For my part I think that we are getting to where people 'know' each other and therefore feel like they should support or attack people, which in turn leads to much more bickering and ignorant conversation like the one that you, wolvla, and magnus are a part of right now. No one cares about your pissing contest so cut it out.
And yeah, maybe magnus needs to stop the shameless pleading for viewership, but that is an issue you could raise instead of calling names and bickering...
again, this is but my opinion/observation but I think I am correct in this instance.
That you injected yourself just the same as I did, right? But I should "knock it off". Just cut your losses here.
I don't know anything about Bushell-Beatty, but he could have my athletic ability and I'd give him a scholarship if it meant we'd also get Peppers.
Here are his highlights:
Oh why thank you, kind sir.
That is a large human who is good at moving people.
i want more scouting reports like this^ short, succinct, and informative and im only like 85% serious
...world domination. The buzz around this class is incredible. Hope the sun comes out in Ann Arbor for a few of these visits.
Other O Lineman mentioned with interest are Doles and Bars (interior)- any other tackles besides JBB?
Michigan has offered 14 offensive tackles (a couple of whom could be guards instead):
Does this mean Delany's bold stroke of bringing Rutgers into the Big Ten is starting to pay dividends?
Damn! You beat me to the punch. I was just about to write something along the same lines until I saw your post.
I know this is thread jacking but I just saw on twitter!!!! 2 more season with Devin Gardner at qb
Home seems to be amazing at selling this program when he gets kids on campus. I know most kids are not going to tell you the had a shitty visit, but a lot of them leave raving about their experience. I think thats Super Duper!
Scout is reporting that Peppers and Bushell-Beatty are visiting Michigan and OSU in the same swing. Both schools are in Peppers top 5 according to Scout.
Peppers is a 5-star to Rivals and according to them as OSU, UM, Standford, ND, Bama in his top 5.
Bushell-Beatty holds a UM offer per Scout, but that offer is not listed on Rivals. Rivals lists his best offers as Florida and FSU, but has not assigned a star-grade to him yet.
ESPN and 247 both list Michigan offers for Bushell-Beatty, too.
If both 1/2 commit, Michigan's recruiting goes from being somewhere between 'very good' and 'great' to elite.