Izzo the Ultimate Politician?
This makes about 12 in the past 24 hours. You could have included this TL;DR nonsense in any one of those other threads.
And prevent this from turning into MLive
I like the cut of your jib OMG Shirtless.
I really wish I still had the threat he directed to me. I believe that portion of the thread was removed from the MGoHallOfFame
Every time I feel like changing my sig, I just can't bring myself to change it due to uncontrolled giggling.
What's a jib?
Bonus points to first person to get the reference.
At least 2 of the threads were created by MSU fans who have strangely not been on the board for the last 24 hours.
The main difference between Izzo and Brian Kelly is a national championship ring. The man's a jackass and always has been, but the media loves a winner.
I disagree. Seeing as you're as honest as they come I'll respect your view.
But the upsides of Izzo's personality and coaching are many and well documented, which makes me surprised at your post. I almost can't believe that you attribute the media's attitude towards him as solely a function of winning, or that you think he's only distinguished from BK by his championship ring. That seems a bit too much for someone as measured as you. Maybe you know something I don't.
I'm not sure how measured jmblue always is. Go and read his nine million posts trying to convince everyone that M's offense was bad during Denard's sophomore year and you'll see what I mean.
As for Izzo, I tend to agree with him on this point. Look, Izzo is a strong flavor. When you win, that strong flavor is "motivational" and "fiery" and "passionate." When you lose, that strong flavor is "whiny" and "petulant" and "sore loserish."
There is truth in that. Unfortunately the only sports show I could listen to on my radio headset when shoveling last night was the Izzo Show and that strong flavor took several subtle shots at Michigan and whined about the refs in Tuesday game.
Maybe I was a little harsh. I've heard a couple of unflattering things about the guy, but to be honest, I just generally dislike that personality type - the hotheaded, referee-badgering type. He comes off as acting like he's the star, not his players (which may not be true but it feels that way). But he's certainly been very successful, and if he were our coach I'd probably overlook his flaws.
Kinda sounds like Bo.
The difference being that Bo would never be a whiney little bitch blaming his freshmen and saying his team was too tired playing the game. Or no matter how obsessed he was with Ohio State ever say that he "hates" them. Because he didn't have an incredible inferiority complex driving him.
Bo had his hotheaded side, but I don't think he had the other side of that personality type - where they seem to act bigger than the team. Izzo comes off as wanting to be the star of the MSU program. Every Midnight Madness, for instance, they have him come in the arena in some kind of stunt - coming down from the rafters, or coming in on a motorcycle - like he's a god to them. And then he's on TV every time MSU has a home football game, always getting his face time. He seems very narcissistic. Maybe it's just an act to satisfy the fans, but it rubs me the wrong way.
been looking all over the site for the sign at the end of the game :
Izzo you Mad
Those kinds of national titles don't exactly bring you the same street cred. Ask the crowd at NDNation if they care about Kelly's record at GVSU.
The man has had his success. He's an intense competitor. He said things that were less than classy, but he doesn't coach my team, so I don't worry about it. I see him as a wonderful foil for Beilein. Beilein shows you how it's done--as good as anyone in developing a system, xs and os, and winning games, plus he's the embodiment of class.
At least he seems to keep his doucheyness under wraps where as in Dantonio he wants the media to embrace his doucheyness.
I like the flow MGoBoard has settled into. Each day brings us three new threads on Michigan State, and every third day we push out a "NO NO NO THEY'RE NOT A RIVAL!!! I'M SO NON-CHALANT ABOUT MICHIGAN STATE BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH TIME I SPEND NOT CARING ABOUT WHAT THEY DO!" thread to maintain equillibrium. Well balanced.
To be fair, this is apples and oranges to the football discussion. MSU is our biggest rival in basketball. I don't think there's any question about that.
In the sense that Izzo's presser probably lived up to East Lansing's expectations, I was not at all offended or shocked. If you lose to Michigan and you're a Spartan, this is basically a scripted reaction. As I mentioned in a post earlier today, I am simply glad that our coaches choose the higher road in these situations.
That being said, the guy wins games and has built a pretty solid program at MSU with some undeniable success. Like many coaches in that position, with the media and his fanbase, he gets quite a bit of leeway. Whatever he's doing for the program itself, it's working given the record.
He is a real jackass!
Personally, I can't really find many reasons to criticize Izzo. The guy has built a program with high graduation rates, no NCAA issues, players who stay out of trouble, and teams that win a lot of games. He's dominated us until recently, but I can't find fault with the way he's done it. To be honest, I think the admiration that he and his program have gotten is well-deserved.
Carr, Moeller, and even Bo were known to come off as bitter and curmudgeon-like with the media after losing games they thought they should have won. They weren't always cordial with their opponents. I don't really hold that against Izzo. More importantly, I don't really care that he didn't give us any credit because it doesn't change the final score. They'll get another crack February 5th on their home floor. Coach Beilein and his team will be ready.
Now Dantonio, on the other hand, is a douchebag of the highest order.
I think our fan base looking for reasons to bash Izzo is pathetic and I get a little annoyed by it. Personally I think it makes us come across like msu fans. Izzo may be a whinner, but who cares he is an even bigger winner that has had state on top for a decade.
Danantonio on the other hand is a complete fraud douchebag!
Besides that whole sexual assault thingy that they covered up a couple of summers ago.
final 4 appearances are a pretty widely accepted measure of a program's success. is every coach who has only ever won one title a fraud too?
Sparty has a good basketball program. The things Izzo does that make me hate him are probably things that make their fans and players love him. He did seem a bit over the edge in this one, but so was I.
my buddy who lives in Chicago and went Marquette (so a big east guy) text me after the game that " Izzo seems to have lost it. Sad.". so i think the rest of the world is starting to see it.
Bah more dumb MSU threads. Here's a dumb Spartnyan Cat for a dumb thread.
I think your paragraph key is broken.
I was hesitant to post this until I began to read some of the comments / replies. I'm not sure how the board will react to my comment but here it goes...
To provide some context, I have a MMS group txt going with my So Cal Michigan buddies and one of them posted the " You Mad Bro" pic. I thought it appropriate to share this story with them at the time...here is the story verbatim from our txt conversation.
"Having caddied for Tom several times in HS / college, I can personally tell you that he is an intense, highly energetic, talkative, cheap ($), grade A tool. Even if I didn't like Michigan I still wouldn't like him as a person. Ones behavior on the golf course will tell you more about them than at almost any other time. It exposes all those shortcomings that most are very good at hiding. I'm sure he has positive attributes but I just didn't see many in the 10 plus rounds I caddied for him or in his group. That's well over 50 hours of one on one conversation and observation, just to be clear. Oh ya and I forgot to mention...I saw him cheat a couple times! Serious character flaw."
Well, there you have it...Judge away.
He is Judge Smails! I couldn't see the connection until you shared this story. Finkle is Einhorn and Izzo is Smails. Mind blown
and I have never seen anything that makes me think too poorly of him. I listened to the presser too and although I think that he was slightly disrespectful I don't think it was terrible. He was just kinda rambling about the things his team and himself could have done better. He holds his guy to pretty high standard and their basketball team doesnt have the same dirty play their football team does. We really shouldn't be all that suprised when a rival is upset with a loss by one point.
If swearing for a half-hour means you don't have integrity, then I've never come within a mile of integrity.
I don't really care where Izzo was coaching, I wouldn't like him. I don't like those kinds of personalities, the "aw shucks" act when things go well and the polar opposite when things go poorly.
It suggests two things-that he is losing his perspective and adopting the ego associated with other "star" coaches; and that he is realizing that the tide is turning as to who is top dog in the state. As a Yooper I appreciate what Izzo has accomplished but, as has been said "pride comes before the fall".
if every coach who's ever complained about giving the other team points vanished off the face of the earth, sports would cease to exist.
I've just never liked Izzo. He's cleary a hell of a coach that has built a top 5 program. Of course he was aided greatly by the meltdown of the Michigan program in the wake of Ed Martin, but there is no denying he's had great succes.
That said, I just don't care for his incesant whinning. Much like I did not care for the non-stop bitching by Pistons players after every foul call. Even though they won a championship and won a lot of games, their complaining got to the point that I stopped being a fan of the team.
So its a trait I dislike whether its my own team or our main rival
Coming from Iron Mountain up here in the yoop, I have seen Izzo a few times, and my mom actually spent a ton of time with him this summer at a charity he and Mariucci sponsored here in Marquette. As much as I tire of hearing about State, he seems to be a very nice guy. Just my input, FWIW.
I was a production assistant on the MSU coaches shows in '97 and '98. Izzo was an incredibly nice guy to the staff, a bunch of hungover 20somethings who would rather be dead than at work at 7am Sunday. He once called the station on a Thursday evening to ask if we could tape the show that night because of the team's travel plans. Izzo and Greg Kelser then proceeded to shake hands with and thank every member of the staff for helping the team out by rescheduling at the last minute. Little shit like that says more to me about a guy than his reaction after losing a one-point game to your rival.
As an aside, Saban was a gigantic asshole on Sunday mornings. He was pissed if MSU won the day before and he was homicidal if they lost. George Blaha kept jumping his cue one morning, forcing us to start over. Saban's reax: "Can we hurry this shit up, George? I have to get to fucking church."
Ron Mason was polite and friendly, but gave off this, "Everybody come see how good I look!" vibe.
My freshman year in college, I was a member of the Izzone. He brought his wife and kids to the camp out so they can meet some of the students and said a few words about how he appreciates all that the students do here. We also had a town hall style meeting with the entire student section before the season started where Izzo came and talked a little about the team that year and opened it up to students to ask him any questions they had. That came off as a very cool and approachable thing to do as a coach. I can't imagine many other high caliber coaches (Roy Williams, Saban, etc) doing anything remotely similar.
The guy is passionate about his job, which I dig. Whether you clean bathrooms or preside over trials, I appreciate when somebody is passionate about what they do. I can see why his style may irk some opposing fans, but I would think that his work with Lloyd Carr in helping to raise money for Mott would overshadow a few comments that he made immediately after a frustrating loss to a rival, IMHO.
I think it is important to recognize and respect the succes Izzo has had over the years at MSU. What's concerning is seeing Izzo possibly starting to take the tragectory that Bobby Knight took during his time at Indiana. Bobby started out as a fiery coach who could win. You may not have liked his personality and how he did it, but you certainly respected the results. Over time, Bobby changed. He became more outrageous during press conferences and his actions during games became more exagerated during the second half of his coaching career. You can speculate all day as to why this happened. It's a psychologists dream. I suspect the pressure to live up to the established record of success is a big part of it. I would bet being comfortable in your position makes you a little more open and honest about how you really feel. Who knows, but for Izzo's sake, I hope he does not take Knight's path.
I'll be honest,every time I am exposed to Izzo it takes me a few days to get past the hatred that he inspires in me. Just that grating, bloated red whining face.
There are plenty of reasons Izzo gets a free pass from the media. It's not exactly like Tressel either. Obviously, being an educated guy who wins is part of it. But honestly, until last year the character of the kids in his program really were a stark contrast to that of the football team. I think that contrast helped to build his reputation. And to be honest, he gets a pass from a lot of front-runner Michigan football fans who like MSU basketball. There's something about that that makes my skin crawl, but hey, its good for the economy, right?
There is just something about his crybaby manipulation that gets under my skin. Or his total inability to lose a game ever without blaming it on the officials. Just the way he fell crying to the floor arguing that obvious over and back call that he didn't even see.
It takes me a little while to come down, but if you find yourself having trouble I'd suggest you try to think about something more pleasant, like this piece by Chantel Jennings http://espn.go.com/colleges/michigan/basketball/story/_/id/7474763/michigan-wolverines-revel-third-row-michigan-state-spartans
Or heck, just think about Chantel Jennings...Or maybe Chantel Jennings on the beach?