I saw a guy on TV with a Maize zip hoodie on with an indiana jersey under it.
I think it's actually funny. This should encourage opposing fans to stay out of our house.
I saw a guy on TV with a Maize zip hoodie on with an indiana jersey under it.
I think it's actually funny. This should encourage opposing fans to stay out of our house.
If you don't want to get heckled as an opposing fan, don't sit in the student section. It's that simple.
EDIT: I should have read further before posting. Apparently the usher said it. That's a little different.
Ushers could simply be trying to prevent fighting from happening.
If there's a risk that a fight might break out because someone is wearing a red jersey, that's on our fans and our crowd control measures, not on the visiting fan who wears their team's jersey.
Assembly Hall allows away fans to wear their own jerseys and we practically invented basketball,
Oh my God these people are almost as bad as notre dame fans. What is it with that state?
It is worst. I can guarantee a sizeable portion of the IU basketball fans are also Notre Dame football fans in the fall. At Purdue we call IU fans reversible jacket fans.
Oh damnit this is my girlfriend. Notre Dame fan in football season, Indiana fan in basketball season, Chicago Bulls fan for NBA, Indianapolis Colts fan for NFL. I give her shit by listing my sports allegiances as MICHIGAN MICHIGAN DETROIT DETROIT DETROIT DETROIT.
Fergodsakes, have an identity people.
Hah, fair question - I'm a PhD student at UW-Madison, so I guess I've got a little bit of academic pride at least, and I enjoy Madison. I was kinda cool with their football team, as they were in the Leaders Division, so who cares, but honestly I'm learning to hate them after this basketball season. I had to see all their stupid fans' faces outside the Kohl Center after that miracle bullshit they pulled on us, and I was mere moments away from steering my vehicle into the masses.
JK I'm not murderous. But for real, I was kinda mad.
Cut them a break. They're not used to winning. Heck, I've been to IU football games against Michigan where the Michigan fans outnumber the IU fans! They've had a rough run and its okay to give them their time in the spotlight. Its better that they win the conference than Sparty or Ohio, right?
No it is NOT better. Nothing is "better" about that chokin' freakin' loss. It sounds so perfectly Sparty to say, "well at least our loss prevented our hated rival from succeeding..."
No sir. Tom Crean and his program ought to be stand-alone hate objects. There is nothing good about the loss. Nothing.
As if getting pegged into a disastrous 5-seed in the Big Ten Tourney wasn't bad enough. It was a disastrous result. It makes a B1G Tourney run a near-imipossibility (four outlandishly tough games in four days, instead of three) and that may well impact our NCAA seeding.
Now, back on topic, and about that student ticket; aren't you supposed to be a current Michigan student, with an ID, to purchase and use a student Maize Rage ticket?
We're not the only school with this policy. Much ado about nothing.
Just because there exists at least one other school with this policy (if your claim is correct) doesn't mean it's not a bad policy.
Even we are not above the policy.
For the record, it's true, just in case anyone wasn't sure. The ushers walk around with these maize t shirts and provide the ultimatum, I only witnessed one and the entire Maize Rage was on the girl about it lol, but she did (very reluctantly) put it on.
That has been the rule for the student section as long as I have been here. You have to wear something Michigan.
If not, you can either cover it up or you get kicked out.
who sold their ticket to an IU fan. Aren't they the problem??? I get you are on Spring Break....you know you can sell it to another Michigan student.
I refuse to ever sell/give any of my tickets to an opposing fan...even relatives! (Some married inappropriately....what can you do?)
There are two sides of this:
A) it's absolutely ridiculous for an opposing fan to think it's going to be fun wearing opposing colors in the MAIZE rage. I guess that's what an IU education buys you.
B) if you purchase a good, you are entitled to use that good. Would they really throw you out for failing to comply?
or would they find a place for you to sit outside the MAIZE rage where the color of your shirt doesn't matter? Like....the rafters?
This was an update (from the MaizeRage website) to the article
Students with a ticket in the bleachers are required to wear a maize Michigan shirt (preferably basketball related), a Michigan basketball jersey, or a costume. Students who do not comply with this requirement may be moved to the blue or gold sections. It is also required that students in the bleachers stand up during game action. It looks bad on television when some of the students are sitting down.
a Michigan student sells their student ticket to a non-student? Does it still apply? Just wondering. Either way, the IU fan should have expected it.
Great comment. Great contribution to this thread.
/s (in case there was any doubt)
It's interesting that these are phrased as requirements, rather than strong suggestions. I would bet that the latter part would get them in trouble with the Americans with Disabilities Act, if anyone bothered to challenge it.
So you're saying they're handicapped?
Would it also be the 'former' part. The latter would be a strong suggestion, yes?
I mean I can purchase a car, a gun, or cocaine and not be allowed to use that good (car and gun with a license and other requirements).
It's no different for michigan to say if you sit in seats x-y you must do a, b, & c.
Hmmm, I can't say I'm a fan of this policy. This makes the school appear desperate and sorta undermines the genuineness of the Maize Rage if they are being "forced" to look and behave the way they do. If you don't want away colors in the bleacher seats, then create policies that discourage students from selling their tickets to visiting fans.
I'm sure there wouldn't be a related thread about how those created policies are unjust. You could say the policy ensures that only that the most committed students get into the the Maize Rage rather than someone with no real interest.
I guess that they could remove such a policy and then everyone could complain about the poor atmosphere at games and the away fans in the student section. That would be fun.
I never suggested replacing one unjust policy for another. There is a big difference between discouraging certain types of ticket transactions and forcing the end-users of tickets to wear certain attire or stand.
Also, do you really believe the only thing standing between the current Maize Rage we see in the stands and the arena hellscape you describe above is this policy? I like to believe that the students are eager and willing participants, and not just the output of some Draconian, athletic department policy intended to create Crisler Indoor Stadium at all costs.
Yes, the policy removes a few specks of non-maize color from the student section, but it also removes a lot of credibility. Check that Indiana blog for proof.
I actually sat in the Wisconsin student section this year wearing UM gear (went with a friend who is a Badger) and I didn't/wouldn't expect to have been kicked out. I can tell you I definitely would not have put on Badger colors to watch the game, and if they kicked me out, I would be pissed.
Anyone know what the attitude/policy is at other B1G schools regarding student sections??
NutHouse: I've been a member for 5 years and there were no restrictions at all as to what attire you can ware as an opposing fan. I've seen Duke, Michigan, and Purdue fans/students sit in our section no problem. To the opposing fans that sat in the student section they knew someone from the school so it wasn't like they got heckled the entire game nor did the usher care what they wore.
Greatful Red: I've sat in Wisconsin student section for football and basketball and they don't care. Althought, when the ushers warn you ahead of time what may happen, it comes with territory of sitting in their student section.
Other then those two, I can't personally speak for other student sections I've sat in for away games. An OSU friend of mine who sat in the Orange Krush for a game had no problem and actually enjoy his time in the student section since most were respectful of the team he supported.
Srsly, How did that shot go in??? Still can't get over that. That's why I have a good feeling about the tournaments. It's totally our turn to get some lucky bounces!!
Still not sure.....I just remember the entire student section rushing the court around me, and I'm stuck standing there alone in this empty section, hoping I don't end up on ESPN.
The crowd itself was craziness. I got booed/taunted a couple of times, I went right back at them whenever Burke or THJ hit a big shot, and we all laughed at it. To me that's half the fun of going to Away games (the other half, actually winning, was sorely missed this time around) .
I have only been to one away game, and it was Mich Purdue fball. We lost 9-6. It was terrible. Some students yelled "f you" to my husband's Grandma!! I can not handle the emotional aspect of away games and possibly losing. I'm pathetic.
Yeah I think I just got lucky that 1. Wiscy fans may be the nicest fans I've seen
2. Football crowds in general are just more douche-prone than other sports. (by the way, I LOVE football, just stating an observation)
Indiana fans in that section were saying Michigan is a second rate school. Which is just plain stupid. I never liked Indiana basketball fans because most of them also cheer for ND football, but after the Crean event I just hate them all.
Indiana is 4th rate at best.
They are delusional. US News best colleges. They are #83. Not good.
If Michigan is a second-rate school, then Indiana is a regional truckers school.
I always find it funny seeing that one person wearing there teams shirt, in the student section while there team is losing, and there making the sad face. If you pay the same price as the person beside you, wear whatever you want.
I'm not one to make a big stink about grammatical errors but you really need to work on the proper usage of "there", "their", and "they're".
there/their/they're scorecard: 0 / 3
Two instances of "their" and one of "they're", and instead, we got three "there". If only there were a spot where it was supposed to be "there" and he had used a different one, we could hit the trifecta.
"A Michigan Man's gotta have a code."
Wait how can you be "yes they exist!" about Inside the Hall? We mention them all the time. ITH is one of the few great independent sports blogs out there--closer to MGoBlog than just about anything except 11Warriors.
...just a smartassed cheap shot...well, i thought it was smartassed. obviously not.
It doesn't seem like it has been updated in quite some time, but the Maize Rage has a site with a summary of the policy here - (LINK)
In essence, their site states that if you don't comply with the requirements for sitting in the bleachers (wearing opposing fan gear would be a failure to comply), you will likely be asked to move. You would also, according to this, require a ticket to sit in the student section in the first place, and according to the site, you get a wristband if your general admission ticket is for the bleachers too. I would think the IU fan was a pretty easy mark for the usher in this case.
Dumb rule, but IU can't employ Crean and claim the moral high ground.
UM is a public university. Crisler Arena is probably what would be considered a "limited public forum" for purposes of expression--meaning as long as it's open, speech restrictions imposed there would be subject to "strict scrutiny." Strict scrutiny requires the M's rule be "narrowly-tailored" to achieve a "compelling state interest."
Speech restrictions almost never survive strict scrutiny, but I think there would be a reasonable chance of that here. Is creating a uniformly pro-Michigan "Maize Rage" area a compelling interest? In the college hoops context, maybe it is. Is requiring the IU fan to wear a M shirt or move to a different part of the arena "narrowly-tailored?" I think so, but maybe someone could come up with something even more narrowly-tailored.
A few things:
First of all, it might come down to a safety issue. If the adminiistrators are genuinely concerned about opposing fan safety, then its pretty valid.
Secondly, the student section is intended only for Michigan students. You can't go to some black tie state dinner in a tuxeedo shirt and expect to be let in because it's held on public state property. I don't think requiring appropriate dress in any way violates freedom of speech.
I don't think the safety issue is legit. You can do plenty of other things to assure safety that don't involve restricting speech. For instance, you can post security guards and have rules against assault. I think there would need to be a pretty convincing record of M students beating up opposing fans before you could justify a rule like this on safety grounds, and I don't think you could establish that record.
Presumably, the state dinner example you gave would occur in a "non-public forum," where speech restrictions can be imposed so long as they are "content-neutral and reasonable in light of the forum." Requiring formal dress at a fancy dinner meets this requirement.
I don't think the policy is unconstitutional either, but someone who feels strongly that it is could probably make a reasonably convincing argument.
"For instance, you can post security guards and have rules against assault."
Because as this thread shows, people always follow the rules and don't complain about them. It is already against the rules to assault anyone (not to mention the law), and security guards are only helpful once they arrive. That 45 seconds it takes them to knife through the crowd to get to the altercation could be very dangerous.
"Presumably, the state dinner example you gave would occur in a "non-public forum," where speech restrictions can be imposed so long as they are "content-neutral and reasonable in light of the forum." Requiring formal dress at a fancy dinner meets this requirement."
I'm not so confident that the STUDENT SECTION at a university basketball game is really a public venue. It was intended for a specific audience, and tickets were only sold by the university TO that audience. Nobody else. If those are then transferred third party, I don't think it is the university's fault if that third party is unhappy with some of the restrictions placed on them at said ticketed event.
The fact is, M students don't knife opposing fans just for wearing their gear. So if M's justification for the rule is safety, it fails because it's unnecessary.
Regarding who is in the audience, keep in mind that a M student could, theoretically anyway, buy a student section ticket and show up wearing an IU shirt. Now, I am pretty sure the IU fan in this example was not a M student. But you need to have the same rule for everybody.
They do! Where does it say that opposing fans must wear Michigan gear? It says anyone seated in the lower student section. So it doesn't matter if it's an IU or M student not in Maize gear. They will have to change.
As far as M students not knifing people: Try to go to court with the argument that, "Well, It just doesn't happen!"
Okay, but a rule like "everybody must wear yellow" is not content-neutral. Imagine, in a different context, a rule that "everybody must pray to Jehova" or "everybody must hate the Russians."
"It just doesn't happen" is a very persuasive argument in a constitutional free speech context if the record shows that, indeed, the problem that the government is suppressing speech in order to prevent is not, in fact, a realistic concern.
I actually litigated a case like this once. i was representing an organization of public housing tenants who had been told by the housing authority that they would no longer be permitted to post anything whatsoever on the exterior surfaces of their doors. The main reason the housing authority gave was a concern that tenants would post inflammatory material that would lead to arguments and disputes--and potentially violence--between neighbors. But, tenants had been posting things on their doors in this particular housing authority for decades, and there was no record of there ever being a violent incident prompted by a door posting. That was a very helpful fact in winning the case. FYI, the case went to our state supreme court and was decided 5-4, so you can see how close of a question this is.
If the student section is intended only for Michigan students, why can tickets be validated?
Because there aren't enough students buying in the resell market that they have to have an out for students who can't find another student to buy to avoid empty seats. Debatable how well that works.
As someone who was part of the the Maize Rage Core for several years I can provide some insight to the rule:
No. I am saying that this was the rationale behind the policy being put in place. You can form your own opinion on whether or not it is a good policy. I don't think there is anything wrong with the rule but maybe the maize rage needs to re-evaluate their policy.
I admit up front I attended and still financially support both univesities. That said, it's a stupid rule. If you're traveling to a road game, you have a ticket, and you're a respectful fan you can expect to put up with some good natured harrassment for supporting the opposition from the home fans. But to be forced to wear the other team's gear or be shipped out is a dumb policy that a university the caliber of Michigan's should be above. For that matter all respected public institutions should be above it. Sports are fun. They're not supposed to be draconian in nature.
Also, I wonder if they have any football writers or if it's just a basketball blog. Wouldn't blame them. They probably all fucking cheer for Notre Dame, anyway.
He paid for a student ticket . . . not specifically one in the bleachers. He had the right to sit in the overflow sections with his IU stuff on.
What I want to know is, who's the kid who sold his Maize Rage ticket? C'MON, MAN!
can't we just say, "if true, f'd up." What looks like it was missing--given the written Maize Rage section policy--was that people should have been told they would be moved to another section. If the threat was that they would have to leave, the ushers had it wrong, plain and simple.
This is dumb. It reeks of marketing guru pretension masked as good intentions. It's more "The Brand, The Brand, The Brand." A kid in an IU shirt is going to get razzed. He knows that. But if he did what he needed to do to get into the bleachers, be an adult and let him get what's coming to him. Don't hand him a shirt and an ultimatum. It makes Michigan look petty and small. If there's a real problem, just move him over to the parents' section in the bleachers right behind the IU bench and he can blend in. Problem solved, no confrontation, kid probably even has a better time. Everyone goes home happy, and there's no blog post making this a story.
Crisler doesn't need to be one of those venues where the staff gets smug and legalistic when it comes to opposing fans. We get enough of that everywhere else. That's not the way things have been here. Ever. There is no expectation that an arena should be open only to home fans, nor should Michigan go out of its way to tell them to can it. Everyone has a right to cheer for their team, and if Athletics is going to allow student tickets to be validated, they have no reason to clamp down on things like this.
And really, if you're going to let people into the Maize Rage with bright red lobster costumes, green army fatigues, and all sorts of other stupid costumes that aren't maize, which have always been a part of the Maize Rage schtick in one form or another going back to the beginning, then you have to be that inconsistent with everyone.
but I'm having a hard time feeling bad for any IU fans right now
Probably the first time he's caught any shit about his team in 15-20 years...poor guy.
I like this policy. I really don't care if this is "rude" to opposing fans or whatever. It's our student section. Visiting fans shouldn't think of sitting in it.
What if one school exploits something like this and "takes over" some of another school's student section? Like, what if 50 Michigan students went and camped out and took over a little section in the Izzone, or vice versa? If one student could do it, why can't 100?
Again, if they "shouldn't think about sitting in it," why does Michigan allow student tickets to be validated?
You can't have it both ways. Either make it ONLY students with MCards in Michigan gear (opposing team color "costumes" apparently excluded), or keep the policy as-is where anybody can pay $40 or whatever the current rate is to make a student ticket into a regular ticket.
A valid ticket is a valid ticket. Under the current rules, a student ticket isn't exclusively a student ticket if it has a validation sticker on it. Putting clothing color requirements along with that ticket, IMO, is a stretch that makes our athletic department look insecure and petty.