It's Tuesday, and Rich is still the coach
what happens if nothing happens?
Then RR is still the HC at U of M.
Then that means Harbaugh said no...time to bring in Brady Hoke. Or wait a year, THEN fire Rodriguez, and bring in Hoke.
David Brandon is dangerously close to becoming a pariah.
Whats to say that Harbaugh isn't available next year?
I think it makes much more sense to make a move next year.
I've been wondering about this. If Harbaugh goes pro this year, then it probably would have been a bad move to hire him, since he would be demonstrating that he, you know, wants to go pro. If he stays at Stanford and M ends up firing RR after next year, then what have we lost? Other than then energy it takes to e-scream UNACCEPTABLE ten thousand times, I mean.
BINGO! If his dream job really is in AA he'll wait.
His value may never be hotter than right now. What if Rich stays and has a great year? Then Harbaugh is never getting the Michigan job and may have missed out on some other great opportunity and passed on some cash. Can't think of it that everyone should just wait until when and IF we need them.
These coaches have f'd up a lot of things these last three years and their judgement in many cases has been very questionable. You really trust these same coaches to be able to maximize what's returning next year?? I don't.
that these coaches can maximize our returning talent than I am that a new coaching staff can come in and hold this team together and not allow Michigan to spiral out of relevence for 3+ additional years.
These coaches turned around the offense. Give them a year to see what they can do with a defense that finally has experience and depth.
And explain the questionable judegement comment? Are you talking about taking a chance on a guy like Dorsey? What would you do as a head coach with your job on the line, knowing that your defense, particularly your secondary, is going to struggle because of lack of talent, and you have a chance in the 11th hour to land a blue chip prospect? If I'm that coach, I think it's more risky not to take the chance.
Good football coaches (Harbaugh) coach a football team. RR coaches a scheme.
Just because RR came in and turned Michigan into a rebuilding project doesn't mean that Harbaugh would. There is some talent on the roster and Harbaugh would make the most of it. He has coached both the spread and pro set before so he has shown he can adapt his offense to his talent, something RR couldn't do.
Arguing that Michigan will be irrelevant for 3+ years just because we are switching coaches is a ridiculous and baseless argument.
justification for thinking Harbaugh will succeed at Michigan other than your gut feeling.
That is a fact.
The justification is that Harbaugh has succeeded in a power conference (sorry the big east does not qualify as such). He did so at Stanford where it is harder to recruit both because of academic standards and resources. Rich Rod did not succeed in a power conference and while he didn't have the resources at WVU, he had much less stringent academic qualifications for his recruits (Demar Dorsey could have played at WVU).
Succeeding in the Big East doesn't nearly correlate to succeeding in the Big 10. Just for the record, this year's Michigan team likely would have won the Big East considering we beat the Big East champion soundly and looked completely superior in doing so. Did you ever think that maybe even Rich Rod's WVU Big East championship teams wouldn't have done so well in the Big 10?
were 2-0 in BCS bowl games.
It's just as much a fact that Rich succeeding is a gut feeling.
But I think we would be making a huge mistake to not see what this coaching staff can do with experience and depth.
If Hardbaugh comes in, there will be decommitments. There will be attrition. He will install a new system and there will be growing pains associated with that.
If my gut is wrong, and the defense doesn't improve significantly, I will be the first to admit that the experiment has failed.
And you don't know what you're talking about either.
I totally understand Harbaugh's side, and agree with you on this (that's 1 out of 794 recently, so there's a chance we can see eye to eye on some things). This is his year to make some kind of leap. I foresee a post-senior Luck regression to the mean next year, and I'm guessing he does too (not sure about the rest of their depth chart). Anyway, I care fuck all for Harbaugh unless and until he is our coach, so I was arguing from M's side.
And I don't disagree with you. We in no way should make a decision based on Harbaugh's feelings. I just don't think the idea that he should be beholding to wait at your heels, just IN CASE there's an opportunity is the way he can look at it, and it doesn't make him a guy who "never wanted to be here anyway" if he takes a pro job because the M job wasn't offered to him (and may never be). Which the other poster was basically saying.
of the season.
If the Michigan job is not available next year because we bring RR back, and he really wants the Michigan job, then he should wait.
If RR has a great year and stays, then JH is no worse off than he is now. If he wants to go pro, there will easily be jobs open.
This is our decison to make. If JH says "take me now or I am going pro", then he should just go pro now.
Even if he comes to Michigan I think that he still wants to go pro. I would take for granted that he would spends about 3 years here then be off to the NFL. I don't have anything to support it, but I believe that he views the NFL as the destination for him as a coach, not college. Even if that college team is Michigan.
really want to go through all this crap again next year? Are you a glutton for punishment or what?
it would suck for a new coach to play his first game against alabama and play all those road games. That is why if DB thinks RR is not the long term solution then he should make the change now.
I now hate everyone. To turn a thread about mocking the media, etc. that said a press conference would be held yesterday into a discussion about how Harbaugh will be available next year and imply that Rodriguez will be given one more year because they could always try to get Harbaugh next year makes me sick. So, its official. I now hate everyone.
I'm sure they meant next monday. One more week of speculation.
If not next monday, the monday after that?
Do you know where your child... err.... coach is?
Gonna be a long painful wait to the bowl game isn't it?
Ya think RR might be pullin out all the stop to win that one?
Hmmm, check that. Considering the results...
Well if there are any stops that he has that weren't pulled out against Ohio State.... well I guess there's your problem
I think the whole saga of Coach Rod getting fired is pure media hype and nothing else. You see when one thinks about a Football Program one has to think long term.
To be very honest, Michigan has been one of those programs which has never stumbled in the past so it is very hard to see such a thing happening to us. I think until last year we were all pretty mad that we were not being able to make it to a bowl game. I understand that we have some bad streaks against rivals but we should also realize that its been that one time only.
I mean c'mon even GM went bankrupt once. There was a time when GM issued centenary (100 yr) bonds. The thing to realize is that we have regained momentum. We are back to be a wining program and our march will only move forward. Since we have never been through this phase we really don't know what patience is.
Our offense was explosive this year. People were wary of our offense and stopping Denard is still a big threat to any of those teams. We have faced a lot of injury/depth problems - for which we cannot blame anyone specially not the coach. We were lucky that Denard inspite of being knocked several times was always starting. He never was injured which was a blessing in disguise.
We need to be patient and believe that not only will we win a bowl game but also be a much better program next year and the coming years.
My prediction for next year: 11-1 next year.
We will beat OSU and State next year. Mark my words.
All great programs go through a bad phase: Texas is, Florida is and OSU will soon also. It's all a matter of time.
We are We will and We are destined to be the WININGEST PROGRAM IN COLLEGE FB HISTORY.
LETS. GO. BLUE.
...and you're not. (?)
I was referring to, "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead." Maybe that only works if Rodriguez gets fired.
"It's _____day, and Rich Rodriguez is still not our coach."
but if I am not mistaken, the University saves $1.5 million by firing RR after January 1st. So I think we will know the answer to this mystery on January 2nd... Not that this information would ever stop us Mgobloggers from discussing the job security of Rich Rod and the RR vs. JH debate ad nauseam.
Is saving the 1.5mm that important to the AD. I really have no idea, don't know anyone in the department or people in the know. I mean is 1.5mm so important that you can harm the short term progress of the program.
$1.5M could help do some fixin' up at Crisler or elsewhere.
but I think the value of that $1.5m is a little different in this case. Spending it to help in terms of public perception is what is more important.
if JH is hired we (and the media) will start debating his job security right away.
It's what we do.
We can only hope it remains so through 2012!
All season long DB said that he will review everything after the season is over. Some cum guzzling thunder cunt writes something along the lines of "Dudez, RR is totes on the outs. Trust me, I know people" and our fan base goes berserk. Before this diseased elephant dick of a writer made this story up, our Uncle Jimmys and Joes were the only strong voices with the inside information that RR is getting canned sometime after every single one of our losses this year. What's changed? For the past few years, our fan base has stood together on very few issue but the one thing we had in common is that we hated newspaper writers like whoever the fuck wrote this article, why all of a sudden are some of you listening to what he has to say?
I want a time machine so I can warn RR of the shit he's about to get into. "If you take this job, some dolphin punching spherical asshole will be out for you head. Don't bother recruiting Pryor. Be prepared to have two qb's that are able to crank their grit levels up to 11 and give it their all but to no avail. Watch out for Purdue's hook and ladder and Dantonio's shit eating grin. Tell Merrill to swing away. Cover everyone in the secondary with bubble wrap. Prepare to get Denarded."
By not acting yesterday, he (in the words of Dantonio's little buddy at the Freep) *defined his legacy*.
It's too late -- Brandon will forever be known as the guy who failed to fire Rodriguez on the day designated by the Detroit press. (Lookin' your way, too, Wojo ... pu$$y!)
Quoth Nelson Muntz: HA-HA
Back in the day when one read the newspaper for "news," the sports pages were those in which opinion and editorialization were virtually non-existent. You got a well written re-cap of a particular sporting event, detailed sidebars with interesting points and captured moments, AP/UPI wire round-up of the same sport in other locales, box scores and an occasional column speaking of the latest megabuck team meltdown/championship for the ages.
Fast forward to the end of the first decade of the 21st century. The sports pages present very little "news" because everyone can get their info elsewhere. So much so, the dying medium now dips a toe into the internet waters, and WRITES a soy-based ink and paper "blog" for your favorite team. The ink-stained wretches still employed in this medium are now reduced to opining trolls, lurking in dark corners, spinning anything to generate some sort of attention to their craft (such that it is). No one under 50 buys a newspaper, and can find all the information, in greater detail, for any story, on the internet. (Probably 10 years ago, I'd noticed the main section of the Fr**p had all of it's stories pulled from wire services...that they'd done very little actual reporting on issues in Detroit, outstate Michigan or elsewhere in the US.) How does a dying enterprise attempt to stave off death? More drama, more lies, more BS. Not more news. Because they forgot how to do "news" a long time ago.
Ignore those freaks coming out of the closet at the Detroit Newspaper Agency...their scribblings no longer have value to you or me. (And much less so, to David Brandon...being a Bo disciple, he knows that the media has very few uses...as we've all read in "Bo's Lasting Lessons.") If you can't ignore the scuzz op/ed writers at the local paper, just shake your heads, laugh it off, and walk away. They'll be unemployed soon enough...
"If I'm winning, I don't need them. If I'm losing, they can't help me."
Bo had no use for the media.
DB says otherwise. Coach Rod needs to win the bowl game, if so he will be back.
You're not planning on doing this every day until September 3rd, 2011, are you?
If it's still in doubt..... ;-)
Well if he gets fired they will claim they were right all along anyway so whatever.
I remember a day when the Freep used to be pro Michigan. Now I use it for cheap toilet paper. A bit rough around the edges but it works.
Somehow, when I read the phrase "Liar, liar, pants on fire," I can't help thinking of Pee Wee Herman. For that matter, I would be willing to bet that Pee Wee could do a better job of writing about college football than Henning.
For that matter, Henning's writing is beginning to look, at least metaphorically, exactly like what Pee Wee got arrested for in that theater.
this is starting to get ridiculous. enough with the rich is fired, rich isnt fired, rich should be fired threads. he is our coach. db said he is our coach. stop the threads already!
If RR gets fired, this will be the Empire Strikes Back of football season, and not because it is the best in a series with one of the most memorable lines ever.
I thought for sure this thread was going to be one of those MGoShoe Michigan jersey countdowns until the day Rodriguez isn't fired.