I agree everything from college sports to pro sports has been terrible. The only Detroit team to win a championship in recent memory was the Red Wings. The Tigers choked both times in the World Series.
It's time for Something Good
Eh, 2004. And now they're garbage.
The only Detroit team to win a championship in recent memory was the Red Wings. The Tigers choked both times in the World Series.
You do realize that the odds are greatly stacked against any one pro franchise from winning it all, right? There are 32 NFL teams and 30 teams in MLB, the NBA and NHL, respectively. In the last 10 years the Pistons and Red Wings have each won their league championships and reached the championship round a second time, while the Tigers have reached the championship round twice. That's much better than the average city has done.
I get what you're saying about Michigan specifically, but we have had an NBA championship with 5 straight eastern conference championships, two AL championships, and the most dominant dynasty in hockey. Yeah being a fan of Detroit sports sucks.
The return/enter key is your friend.
1997-98 was the best athletic year, PERIOD.
- Football- Big Ten, Rose Bowl and National Champions
- Basketball- First-ever Big Ten Tournament Champions
- Hockey- NCAA National Champions
- Red Wings- Second straight Stanley Cup
Find me a year that tops that.
1997 was also the year Barry rushed for 2053 yards and the last season of the Tigers in the AL East.
I lived in south quad and then over on fourth street after the 'mescaline incident' of 1997!
that was an awesome year...
Plenty of 'mescaline incidents' but made sure to be out of the dorms for them! Remember seeing that dude fall out of a tree in front of the President's mansion after The Game.
Big Ten champs in football - beat USC in Rose Bowl
National Championship in basketball
Pistons defeat the Lakers in four games to win the NBA
From when I remember caring about sports at age seven growing up in A2, I only had to suffer through three losses to OSU over 15 years until I graduated college. Plus, several rose bowl wins and final fours in the late eighties and early nineties. Four national championships in the three sports I followed. Then graduated in 2000 and everything has been fairly shit since.
...also forgetting Woodson won Heisman!
Woodson won the Heisman the same day we beat Duke in basketball. It was good times on Vaughn St. that night.
This thread depressed me more!
but, the point was it's time for something good... we as fans are due for something good.
yup, because that's how life works. bad stretches are ALWAYS followed by something good. just ask the indiana football program. they're due to rattle of 10 consecutive national championships any time now.
If you are still trying to feel better, turn on ESPN. Virginia is up 64 - 53 on Duke with 2:48 left and Virginia ball.
watching... Helping, not significantly, but definitely helping.
If I may add to the list, Michigan has finished 10th or below in the Directors Cup 4 times, and 3 of them have been in the last 3 years, including our worst ever finish in 2010. We are not in a golden age of Michigan sports right now, but the tides are turning.
I think what bothers me most is not the lack of recent success, but the headline losses: App St., PSU yesterday, the hit on Smith all over every sports network for a month, historic MSU and OSU streak, NCAA scandal, Josh Groban, etc.
Lions fans have been saying its time for something good since the 1950s...so maybe its not quite time yet
Buck up little campers. Duke is getting beat pretty bad.
of March falls on the quarterfinals of the Big Ten Tournament... Maybe this is when OSU, Indiana, and MSU all lose in the same day and ignites a flame in the basketball team. Wishful thinking, though.
2011, now that was supposed to be the start of something new and grand. Hoke came in and magicked the team to a BCS bowl. The basketball team suddenly started winning and made it to the playoffs for the first time in ever, sharing the B1G championship along the way. Fate had smiled upon us. Things were turning around. The arenas and stadiums were rocking as they hadn't for years.
Then suddenly this year happened. Neither the football nor basketball teams it seems could win when it mattered. Even hockey fell.
So yeah. We were there, and then we lost a step somewhere along the way. Hard to say where.
Ah, whatever. It's great to be a Michigan Wolverine.
Things are still turning around. Both the football team and basketball teams are better this year than they were last year. Unfortunately, the schedules have been much more difficult as well.
Two years ago, the basketball team went 21-14. Last year it went 24-10. This year it's 23-5. That seems like an upward progression to me.
Had me something good.... Cheer up little fella. I know it has been a long winter, but spring is right around the corner. In the meantime, try to spend as much time in the sun as possible, and drink plenty of water.
Dude get over it, 14x this month alone a top 5 team has lost, Dick Vitale called it the wildest season he ever witnessed. 13 months ago Michigan won the sugar bowl.
And ND in spectacular fashion for the 3rd straight year. Shared a Big Ten title in basketball and have turned the tide against lil. Lots of great Michigan wins. Football and basketball are both in great shape.
Oh and back 2 back bad ass football recruiting classes with another one underway, along with the way bball recruiting class.
we have to be due for something great
I disagree with this, perhaps for professional sports that's fine, but student-athletes don't owe us anything, thus, we aren't due for anything. I don't care much for professional sports, so this will be college-oriented.
I think the phrasing that better suits the situation is, something great should be coming, and to be honest, it is.
We went 11-2 under Hoke's first year, and while 2012 was a disappointing campaign (we lost to 5 teams that combined for 6(!!) losses), our strong recruiting would suggest we're on a path to contend for the Big Ten (and more) year in and year out.
Our basketball team has gone from a school worst 10-22 to contending for the Big Ten (first championship since 1986(!!) last season) and one-seed and national discussion. While yesterday was a huge letdown, the overall trend is of a positive one.
I agree the last 7-10 years have been pretty rough, but all signs are pointing up. Michigan is about to be something very, very special.
I don't think the OP is saying that anyone owes us wins. He's just suggesting that it's time we have some good fortune due to our recent rough stretch.
I agree, did you read my post or stop after the first two sentences? I go on to say that I understood what he meant, but I felt it should've been phrased better. Feeling like collegiate student athletes "owe us" something is the wrong perspective to take, IMO, but feeling like we are due for better times after nearly a decade of mediocrity (at least by Michigan standards) is better.
I haven't seen one person try to argue this point since last night's meltdown. You are arguing with a straw man at this point.
U mad bro?
I have a feeling you probably only read the first couple sentences of my post, so I will go ahead and summarize it for you: I felt the OP's phrasing of "we are owed" was incorrect, and it should've been along the lines of "we're due for something good". I then go on to point out why we are moving towards those good things.
You've actually mischaracterized my entire post, thus you, yourself are using a straw man argument. What you should have gotten from my post (but clearly missed) is that I agree with that sentiment, but I felt it should've been phrased differently. If you're going to flame, please read the entire post.
Duke losing to Virginia helps.
Duke going down to the Cavaliers makes me happy.
Coach Brown says so.
Where did you see this?
As a young'n, I got to watch Michigan win a national title in bball, witness the Fab Five era first hand, and all the while know that I'd be going to football games where the team I was cheering for would be amongst the best in the country. Then, in '97, everything was taken to another level of awesomeness. I went to all of the home games that year, went to the MSU game, went to the PSU game, went to the Rose Bowl, and it was nothing but joy and happiness.
So all of this crap in the last several years just makes me cherish those moments even more. At the time, success was all that I knew, and that was cool and all, but maybe not totally grounded in reality. Weird as it may sound, I like that the last few years have proven that those were really special times, and I was glad to be a part of it.
I was lucky enough to go to every home game, the MSU game, and the Rose Bowl in 1997. Damn that was such an awesome season.
I'm with ya. My prime years were were those years I think that's why this stretch of mediocrity has gotten under my skin. The 'kids' now seem to accept this mediocrity a little too much for my liking. I don't know if I'm 'waxing nostalgic' over the past but I don't think we would have accepted some of the sub par performances that are becoming more the norm with quite as much 'back in the day'.
Holy hell I'm getting to be that old guy.
I've given this a lot of thought myself. I'm not sure if it is a function of me getting older(?) or a function of some rather turbulent sports seasons in the past 5 years or so, but sports have really started to feel like a burden rather than an enjoyment more often than not. Or maybe I'm just on the Nick Hornby descent into fan-madness.
I agree. I'm trying to cut back a bit, but this blog makes it tough.
You. Must. Chill. Seriously, your team is about to become a 1/2 seed in the NCAA tourney. All your rant proves is that you are spoiled.
1/2 seed? Where have you been the last three weeks?
I clicked on this thread expecting something good to cheer up the board. This is not a Kate Upton .gif
Football specifically, we had the unbelievable loss to ND, fumbled away our chance to beat Ohio on the road, and missed the sack to win the game in our bowl. Then Ohio and ND went on to have two of the luckiest seasons that I've ever seen. The Lions found a way to lose every game and the Tigers somehow didn't win the World Series despite being the better team. Very tough year.
Have they won the last two of three World Series ? I missed it if they did. There are a lot of us alumni out here in Nor Cal, and though I root for the Tigers too, the better team SWEPT that series.
not sure how, but the OP missed out that this will be the first time in 23 years UM Hockey misses the NCAA tourney.....
Don't be sorry. I have noticed far fewer posts because of the harsh feedback. I find myself looking other places for discussion. Too many people are more interested in criticizing than discussing. Sometimes you need a place to vent. Understood.
Ohio State went undefeated in a year where they couldn't go to a bowl game and would have been in the national championship. Seems like poetic justice for their light sentencing. Notre Dame got destroyed in the national championship game. Great years sure, but they could have easily been a lot worse in the eyes of a Michigan fan.
I don't think people are even frustrated about actually losing to Penn State, because really you should only barely care as far as it relates to the tournament, as they are realizing we aren't as good as we thought we were earlier in the year and that loss being confirmation of it.
As Detroit/Michigan fans we are very spoiled even if we have also experienced some big time heartbreaks recently. Red Wings winning the Stanley Cup followed by a second straight finals appearance where we had 2 games to win one for a repeat. Pistons championship in 2004 followed by a second straight finals appearance where we were tied at the start of the fourth quarter of game 7 not to mention Horry's three pointer. Lions first team ever to go 0-16. Lions finally made it back to the playoffs. Calvin Johnson set the all time NFL receiving yards record. The Detroit Tigers, recently competing for the worst record ever in professional baseball, made two World Series appearances in the last few years. Cabrera just won the triple crown and we had two straight MVP's on the Tigers. Michigan basketball won the Big Ten Championship last year and suffered a first round upset loss in the NCAA tournament. Michigan football was 4 points away from playing for a national championship in 2006. Jake Long #1 NFL Draft pick. Our 1997 national championship although not in the last ten years was really not that long ago. Rich Rodriguez era. Denard Robinson era. 2011-11 win season and a BCS bowl win.
You get the picture. It's easy to focus on the bad because it sticks with you but we have been luckier than a lot of places.
Damn, I thought you were going to tell me about some new recruit that committed
Damn, I thought you were going to tell me about some new recruit that committed
...try being from Cleveland!!
Talk about the glass being half empty. In the past decade the Tigers have been to 2 World Series, the Red Wings have won a Stanley Cup, and the Pistons won an NBA Championship. Most cities don't even get anything close to that.
As for Michigan, football has struggled only in comparison to Ohio. And by struggling, we're talking about 3 trips to the Rose Bowl and a Sugar Bowl victory in 10 years. Men's hoops has risen from the ashes and despite recent hiccups is poised to make its deepest run it the NCAA tournament in 20 years. The women's basketball program is as strong as it's been ever. The hockey team has been to 4 Frozen Fours, won 4 CCHA titles, and 5 CCHA tourney titles. Women's softball won the National Championship in 2005 and are competitive nationally every season. Men's gymnastics won the National Championship in 2010. Men's soccer won the Big 10 tournament in 2010 and made the College Cup. It goes on and on.
This habit some have of lamenting "hard times" simply because their team doesn't win it all is tiresome. Your team can come up a little short and you're still allowed to hold your head high and be proud, despite what the rival trolls would tell you. Losing to Penn State on Wednesday SUCKS, but this team is still in the hunt for a conference title...in March. That's pretty awesome given where we were 10 years ago. Coming up short against Nebraska and Ohio on the football field SUCKS, but this program is poised to be the most competitive it's been in 15 years over the next few season.
It's always great to be a Michigan Wolverine. Start acting like it.
Every team in every sport wants to win, part of being Michigan is wearing the target that comes with the prestige of all opponents beating Michigan at anything. Does anyone circle the game with MSU on their calendar? Buck up and man up sports are cyclical and Michigan is trending upward across the board, hockey will bounce back quickly.
We are fans of the greatest University in the world, but sports is sports and we can't win every single game every time. How boring would it be if we did!!!
In the past ten years we had the Wings, who are well, the Wings, The Tigers have won two American League Pennants, The Pistons went to seven straight Eastern Conference Finals, including a championship. Yea Michigan was down this decade, but it's not like its been all that bad, I mean a few years ago we were ranked as the number 1 sports town in the US!
Life is all about perspective. You watch an MLB pitcher go ape-shit in the dug out after a rough start, then pause to think that 99.9999% of the population on this planet would kill to have the opportunity to make $Millions like he does to throw a damn ball and play a game. Yet there he is throwing a tyrade in the dug out oblivious to how insanely lucky he really is to be there.
Same thing here. As bad as the last 12 months have been, pause and consider how many major sports national championships the state of Michigan has brought in over the last 35 years say, relative to the state of Ohio?
Michigan: Pistons 3, Red Wings 4, Tigers 1, Wolverines 2, Spartans 2
Ohio: Buckeyes 1
My math might be slightly off but who cares, point is, we can always say "at least I'm not an Ohio sports fan." It is incredible with all of thethe Browns, Bengals, Blue Jackets, Indians, Reds, Cavaliers, Buckeyes and Bearcat teams the state of Ohio has put up in their respective leagues, just one lousy NC and that was the bullshit Buckey 2003 NC thnx refs fail pass interference call vs Miami.
Boy, I feel better about being a Michigan sports fan already.
and born after the Jim Brown teams, you would have witnessed ZERO championships in your lifetime.