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Sweet! Now we'll get to see the Euro's playing the sport they love up close and personal and witness first-hand exciting action like this!
I too think football is way more fun to watch than soccer. However, it would be simplistic to paint soccer as merely a bunch of actors flopping around. Let's not forget that soccer does feature some incredible feats of athleticism and teamwork:
And even our beloved football is not free from sin:
Again, I think football is 1000x better than soccer. But soccer can still be pretty cool, too.
That first gif looks like potential offside......just saying
It was onside.
and I guess there is occaisionally flopping in football, but let's not even pretend we're even on the same order of magnitude. I enjoy a good soccer game, but the flopping is just perpetual. I was just watching El Classico and saw one of those old time fake headbutts and the guy basically died. Flopping is an epidemic in soccer and it ruins the game a bit for me
That's fine and dandy, but it doesn't make the tool that constantly says "Soccer sux because they are pussies" any less douchtastic.
If you don't like soccer, don't enter into a discussion about it.
Also, I don't understand why flopping doesn't earn major fines/suspensions in all major televised sports where they can go back and look at the tape after the fact.
In contrast to 'pretending' anything about magnitude, my use of gifs was to illustrate how poorly isolated moments are able to characterize a sport in any quantitative way.
To keep things quantitative, however, my real claim is absolute, rather than relative. I think football is cooler and features less flopping (relative), but there is greater than zero to like about soccer (absolute). The existence of amazing soccer highlights proves that pure moments exist.
Those football flops are hilarious! I love how they both just launch themselves. And the hands in the air by the Bills guy is just perfect. Any idea if these drew penalties?
There is a ton of diving in soccer, but I would much rather watch euro soccer than football most of the time. Michigan football will always be number one in my book, and college football has great atmosphere and passion, but the National Felon League just isn't very compelling. I am a Colts fan, but I missed a number of games, and it didn't bother me one bit. I like the length of a soccer also. There isn't a lot of wasted time on commercials either, which makes my limited time to watch sports better. Way too much wasted time during a football game, for Michigan games, I will watch a 4 and half hour game, for the NFL and the rest of College football, nah.
I'm pretty sure my username declares that but hey - thanks for the noticing. BTW - what exactly does that have to do with flopping in soccer?
Fun fact! Type in "European Football Dives" in a Google search and you'll get over 66 million results. Type in "American Football Dives" and you'll get back 294 thousand. Seems like the concept of faking injuries, at least according to the good people at Google, is a wee bit more prevelant worldwide in the "beautiful game" than it is in the barbaric sport that is the centerpiece of this particular web site
You do realize that in any given year there are probably a thousand more soccer games being played by thousands of more people than football right? Obviously diving is less prevalent in football if you judge by just going down after being touched but defenders over sell holds all the time, receivers over sell pass interference and the level of bitching for calls is just as high, players will always do what they can to gain an advantage, that is part of sports, it just looks different in the nfl because on most plays going to the ground isn't advantageous for your team like it is in socccer.
And you do realize the term "europussies" came from people watching soccer not porn right?
And for the record I happen to like soccer - I just HATE the constant flopping and diving that plagues most matches i've watched and to my untrained eye it seems to be getting worse. How anybody who contends to be a supporter of the sport can defend this type behavior is beyond me. IMO if a player leaves the pitch due to an injury he should be required to sit out for a period of time and not run back onto the field seconds after a near-fatal shin injury that requires them rolling around on the ground pretending to be dead or something.
Actually, according to the good people at Google, the number of hits returned is not a scientifically valid measure of correlation between two search terms. I know this because that's what they personally told me when I asked permission to use Google Scholar in exactly that way when I was writing a program to automatically perform thousands of searches simultaneously to generate sets of gene-disease associations for a bioinformatics project.
That's interesting. So how would you explain the 66MM to 294K differential then? Seems like a pretty wide chasim to me.
It's not a valid measure of correlation because Google casts a very loose net - it's awesome for finding the most relevant things and putting them at the top of your search results, but the sheer number of results can be influenced by many, many factors.
As someone already pointed out, there are more soccer games played around the world every year than there are football games. There are also a lot more soccer fans around the world. They generate content and post it on the internet, where it becomes searchable by Google. No matter what amount of actual diving happens in soccer games, the subsequent discussion vastly amplifies the coincidence of the terms. Additionally, a truckload of variance is introduced when you consider the diversity of search terms you could use for one topic - maybe instead of "diving", you chose "flopping" or "faking"? What if you searched "soccer" instead of "European football?" Answer: the numbers change. A lot.
Plus, you're assuming that any coincidence of the terms is evidence of a positive association, which is erroneous. If someone typed the sentence "There was very little diving in last night's soccer match" onto a blog somewhere, then Google would see "DIVING" and "SOCCER", put that result into a giant pile with millions of others, and hand it to you, who says "SEE? LOOK. TOLD YOU SO." It's too opaque. While the number of search results is a clean, simple number, what actually goes into creating it is too ambiguous and complex to be reliably interpreted.
You know, if it is indeed the Manchester United / Real Madrid match, this might very well rank up there as the single most unsurprising (thanks to early press) historic announcment in recent history at the University Of Michigan if not in the region at large. At the very least, it is in the top five in this particular category. If it is something else, then this is the more cunning misdirection tactics in college athletics as a whole thus far this year.
The icon that is on the screen while you wait for the presser is the International Champions Club symbol (soccer). Surprise? nope.
...but if Bo gets a statue, don't Yost and Crisler get ones outside the buildings with their names on them?
on getting you the public access to the museum. lol
You mean football...
There is a british guy talking. OMG
Also: tickets will be as low as $40
I believe the guy said $45. Could be wrong, the audio is really low.
I think this is actually pretty cool. More interested in this than the Winter Classic.
You win the day! Funniest thing I've read in a while.
I think its funny too because he's right. On the world stage, soccer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hockey. I'd much rather see two of the most famous soccer teams match up in Michigan Stadium in a lowly friendly than the Winter Classic. Does more for Ann Arbor and the University. But thats just like my opinion, man.
This event is expected to bring 15 million dollars to Washtenaw County, according to Dave Brandon.
Wish it was Liverpool but still pretty cool. I might just have to attend this.
A guy from Spain just called Michigan Stadium "The Famous House of Michigan"....
close enough if you're from Spain
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On one hand, I think it's cool that this is happening in the Big House.
On the other, this is just weeks after the World Cup where many of United and Real's best players will have played in. Real is deep enough to field world class talent in their second team but United, well, isn't. In any case, for fans who have never seen big European clubs play before, it's a cool thing.
I'd advise following them on Twitter and maybe signing up for their email updates because they'll often invite fans to watch an open training a day or two before the match. I've been to several of these...sometimes they'll stick around and sign autographs, which is cool.
DB says the field will be natural grass. Hasn't mentioned elevation of field yet.
Field will be way too narrow without it.
Dave has applied for another liquor license.
across the street from the stadium: Dollar Dave's Liquor and Package Goods.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a pro soccer field much larger than a football field?
FIFA regs: 70 yards wide by 110 long (minimum), up to 80/120
i think UM could do 65/110 comfortably. the sidelines would be a bit to close to the wall, imo, if they try to do 70/110.
I think this is why we're getting an exhibition but will never get a world cup game. Apparently you can play whatever the hell size field you want for exhibitions but the Big House wouldn't hold a regulation size field
The World Cup ship has sailed. It was kicked around for '94, and of course nothing came of it--there were plenty of acceptable facilities to use instead.
20 years later, many cities have replaced their NFL stadiums with sparkling new facilities that are, for the most part, wide enough to host Soccer. They have exceptional infrastructure. They have plenty of seats (World Cup Stadiums are supposed to seat 40,000). They are new and magnificent.
Michigan Stadium has been upgraded, but why would anyone even need to bother?
The plain fact is that our sports-mad nation could host a World Cup with almost zero notice. C'mon, the state of Texas has more appropriate (size, capacity) facilities than most European countries. Florida has six or seven. The question isn't "Where could we play?" It's "What new Stadium in a big cosmopolitan city do we leave out?"
care doesn't mean "no one would notice." Three to five million kids play soccer every week. A Wikipedia article says 13 milion people play in this country--that's probably more people than play football, whichi is a game that I love but which--face it--is confined to a narrow stratum of guys who will look really really terrible when their playing days are over, and may not be the quickest thinkers, either.
Yesterday, Pele said youth soccer is more advanced here than in Brazil. MLS claims it's pulling 18,000 spectators a game. 24 milliion people watched the 2010 world cup here, and Fox sports is betting a lot more will this time. Again, if some mook here doesn't particularly get it, the world's most popular sport can probably handle it.
You totally mis-read what I wrote. I did not say or imply that no one here would pay attention; I said that the country could be ready to host with little advanced warning. "Zero notice." As in, FIFA could recognize that Qatar is a colossal mistake mere months before the event and the U.S. would have the facilities ready to do a great job hosting. The only real challenges would be acquiring good grass to lay over the fieldturf and the lodging challenges.
This is not totally unprecedented. The 1986 World Cup was moved to Mexico two years before it occurred because Colombia, the original host, was unable to pull it off. I'm not expecting that any of FIFA's top dogs would want to deal with the uncomfortable process of refunding the extensive web of bribes necessary to pull out of Qatar, but if they did the U.S. is a logical destination.
MVictors comes through with the question:
Same dimensions of "Old Trafford" or a stadium like than (not specific).
I think he said no platform and mentioned laying sod and other stuff (?) over current playing field.
I'd like to say that I am excited by this........but I'm not.
Neither am I. Soccer is just as awful as baseball.
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Glad to hear both of your opinions on the subject. *yawn*
I was going to neg you before you suggested it.
Can we get a META or something about the need to avoid commenting on sports you don't like. There's nothing more dickish and boring than taking the time clicking on a discussion regarding a sport you don't like for sole purpose of posting that you don't like the sport.
For example, I don't like college hockey or the Walking Dead. Therefore, I don't click on those particular discussions. It's not difficult to understand.
DB says proceeds will go to Central Campus general scholarship fund and to Men's and Women's soccer as a down payment on building them "a home."
Not sure what "a home" means - a training facility out by the already beautiful stadium and practice fields I presume.
Clarification: Home would have coaches' offices, locker rooms, recruiting lounges, lockerrooms, etc. More of a home base than just the stadium, practice fields and lockerrooms that already exist.
I think it's pretty cool. I'll be rooting for Real Madrid since they're yellow and blue!
That's fun and all, but Real's main color is white. Trim varies (Blue on that logo, has also been purple, uniform trim also periodically black) but they wear all white in a sport where teams aren't bound to white on any uniform.
In response, their archrival Barcelona never wears white on any uniform. Ever.
They do rivalries right in Europe.
Well Manchester wears red, so that's a good enough reason for me to root for Madrid I think!
current 3rd kit is pretty Duke-ish black and blue
Good chance they'll wear it, too. Pretty standard for Euro clubs to show off alternate uniforms whenever possible during exhibitions. Count on a non-home uni for one or both.
All Euro clubs will be announcing new home, away and alternate kits in the next month or so ahead of this summer's selling season. Some already have but I haven't seen either United or Real's yet.
And yeah, Real's nickname is Los Blancos.
Um, you don't have to call it "kit" just because the British do. I guarantee that they do not call it "kit" in Spain. They have their own words for that, and so do we.
We'll know when we've advanced as a Soccer nation when we can use our own words for things instead of British words that we never use any other time just because we are talking about Soccer: "kit", "pace", "nil", "pitch", etc.
I even hear people on this Blog strangely use the plural form of team like the British do, but only when talking about Soccer: "The USA are up two - nil". Yet they would never say "Michigan are up 21 - nil over Ohio State".
I'm split on this. Obviously, a lot of this comes from the charm of reading game stories and analysis written in the unique European English style. One really does absorb the vocabulary after a while, and it's fun.
It can also be worth resisting, because I don't like to change words or pronunciation just because I'm dealing with a sport or concept centered in another part of the world.
Here's the thing, though--Soccer is a unique sport, and just like other unique sports (baseball, football, hockey, etc) it has its own vocabulary. We don't notice it much, but there are good examples of other areas that we kind of take this for granted. For example, if the Red Wings beat the Wild 5-3, do you (in an effort not to conform) say they scored five points? Are the Tigers up 7 points to 2 right now?
No. Those have unique words to describe what is essentially the same thing, the way the sport keeps score. The vocabulary is unique to the sport. And it can help describe things better than generic words in many cases. For example, football players are capable of having both "quickness" and "speed," and those are different things. "Pace," a soccer term you complain about, is not really the same thing as speed.
Yeah, I agree for "official" Soccer terms that are unique to the sport, like Yellow Card or Corner Kick. And there is a certain charm to the British vernacular when watching Soccer . . . I could listen to Ian Darke all day long.
But it's really odd when Americans use British terms for common everyday things that are not Soccer-specific, terms they would never use any other time, just because they are talking about Soccer. It makes them look like insecure posers.
I'd like for us to have enough self confidence as a Soccer nation to use our own damn Soccer terms.
They're called the red devils but they also wear black and blue? What what what?
Their primary uniform is a red jersey, white shorts, and black socks (white socks for Champions League matches). They will also wear alternate black shorts for certain games, usually when the home team wears white shorts themselves.
However, European clubs don't necessarily wear traditional road uniforms as we understand them. There is no need for them to have the same design, concept, or colors as the home uniform. The only real requirement is that it contrast with the home uniform. And so, while some teams occasionally have that (or at least wear a white alternate with basic team color piping), as often as not the road and alternate uniforms have no relationship to the home uniform whatsoever, save for the sponsor and the badge.
This leads to curious situations where Man U winds up wearing a blue road uniform that shares zero of the design elements of the home uni. Arsenal has a long tradition of contrasting its home (Red jersey, white sleeves, white shorts, white or red socks) outfit with a very Michigan-like yellow top, blue shorts blue socks option.
It is jarring to Americans who are used to home/away uniform systems that go together. But you get used to it. It's just a different paradigm.
I can at least respect MLS fans but fans of European teams piss me off to no end.
Why? What interaction have led to this belief?
With two of the greatest clubs playing at a wonderful facility. What's not to like? Interesting thing is that tickets in the lower half of the Big House are significantly more expensive than those higher up in the same section. Much better views rows 40 to 60.
Proceeds going to new soccer facility
Last year Chaka Daley brought in 5 of the top 150 recruits in soccer
This year Daley had 2 top-10 commits and 5 of the top 100.
Get ready for Michigan Soccer
They just built a new soccer facility.
This new facility is going to be offices, recruiting lounge etc. Not a new stadium
Not a competition facility. Coaches offices, practice locker rooms, film rooms, lounge etc.
Shit, I played varsity soccer at UM in 2001-2002 before I was sidelined by a back injury, and I remember changing in the building adjacent to the baseball locker rooms.
My, how things have changed.
My link to show I'm not BSing you all.
I'm a much bigger UM football fan now than soccer, so the overlap of a soccer match being played in the Big House is Pretty cool to me - although Bo said no soccer would ever be played in that stadium....
PS: my 15 minutes: http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/110501aaa.html
Do you think they'll let people bring the vuvuzelas in?
Hopefully the department bans them, then sells them in-stadium for $20 apiece. Even better if they can't output any noise.
It's a pity it's an August exhibition. That, to me, is the only real negative. These are titanic sports franchises that feature (if they actually play) some astonishing athletes. Ronaldo is one of the two best players in the world right now in the midst of an individual rivalry with Lionel Messi that is as astounding as any in the history of sports.
It's a pity I don't live in town anymore, I'd be there. Tickets need to be a bit cheaper, though.
...but Man U is in 7th right now and have been playing horribly, from what I understand. I actually caught part of a match with Man City, and Man U looked like they had given up on the match and the season. I agree, it's two great franchises, but a pity that we're catching Man U when they are at a nader.
This is, by far, the worst league season Man U has experienced in 20 years. They still have quite a bit of talent, but as mentioned elsewhere in this thread they have depth issues and cashflow problems that cause quite a bit of tension amongst their faithful.
When Malcolm Glazer bought the club, there was a lot of anger from the fanbase. I thought then and still think now that a fair amount of it was just provincial anti-Americanism, but they did make one crucial argument that has been bourn out by the facts: Glazer financed the purchase by adding significant debt to the club, and as a consequence they are having trouble keeping up with the free-spending of foreign-owned oil baron clubs like City, Pool, and Chelsea. The debt is finally catching up to them.
ManU has looked like a rudderless ship under Moyes. They have had some injuries but the talent is there to do much better. If they don't finish at least 6th Moyes may not be with the team in August.
The World Cup had specific field dimensions including a width of 64 meters. SInce this is not a WC match, the field probably will be just FIFA compliant. FIFA specs are that the length must be longer than the width. The field width must be a minimum of 45m or 50 yards. An American football field is 53 yards wide so widening the field is not necessary for this exhibition match.
Under The Lights III
Brandon says Penn State would be a good option for night game. But wouldn't confirm. Announcement soon he said
Tired of losing to those fucks after beating them 9 times in a row. We need to crush them under the lights.
And we will this year. Michigan should have defeated them last year, but we know how that went.
But I like this move. Even though it's an exhibition game, it'll still be pretty awesome to see these two great teams play in Michigan Stadium. Lots of star power in the Big House-very cool stuff. Well done , Dave Brandon.
Think there will be beer in the Big House for this game?
My big question is whether or not it will be necessary to buy tickets within a few days of the on-sale date. Do we think this comes close to selling out? USA/Mexico had 65,000ish people I think. I just wonder if its worth it to buy face value tickets or see if it fails to sell out and I can save a little money by going the Stubhub route. It works for football games...
I would think it will sell out. Man U and Madrid have an absurd amount of fans. Using facebook likes might be a bit...lame...but just for comparison's sake Michigan football has 1.3 million likes. Madrid has 55 million and Manchester United had 44 million. The Yankees have 7 million.
My guess is that they will draw nowhere near 100,000 for an exhibition at these prices. When United played Olympiakos in Toronto there were about 25,000 if I remember right. Rooney didn't play. Obviously Madrid will draw more fans. The Wings-Leafs game was brilliant because about 60,000 Leaf fans came into town. If it were Wings-Ducks probably would have been 70,000 max in the Big House- and it was a real NHL match that counted.
$45 to sit in the top corners of the Big House is probably a good view for the money. Rest are probably good future Stub Hub buys.
If they fall noticeably short of 100K I think it will be a bit embarrassing for the event organizers, considering how all the other special events at the stadium have gone over 100K easily. Are there really 100K+ soccer fans in driving/bus distance who will pay the asking prices?
I hope that Man U brings some authentic soccer hooligans with them. It'd be interesting to see them wreak havoc at Conor O'Neil's and Zingerman's.
Well, everyone I know living in Ann Arbor (including myself) is willing to drop $45 on a
football soccer Saturday in August.
I bet a lot of the local high school soccer teams try to put things together since it will be right before their seasons start as well.
anyone know the vuvuzela policy!
On sale to season ticket holders and donors starting Monday at 8:30!!!
But would you rather watch football in a football stadium, or football in a football stadium?
Tickets might be expensive but I expect attendance to be high. I went to United/Barca at FedEx Field a few years ago when it was a rematch of the Champions League and it was nearly full--something like 81,000 people there and I think tickets were more than they were for this match.
People will travel to see these teams play (even in a friendly) and I'm guessing we'll see a bunch of Canadians coming over for it as well.
I'm gonna sell my 40 yard line seats to the highest bidder (non-Sparty or Nutter) then use the proceeds to buy a keg of Guinness, thereby supporting this lovely event.
I'm so there. I don't care that the stadiums for sale on that day.
Oh gawd yes.
I am stoked too -- I haven't been back to Ann Arbor for a long time, and I figure, with the wife's schedule (she's a teacher), we should man up and drive up to AA for this game. We went to the MUFC-Kansas City Wiz (or whatever the fuck they're called) game in KC a few summers ago.
Warning (I believe soccer fans understand this): there will be a lot of 2nd and 3rd teamers playing in this game. However, these are unequivocally two of the biggest sports clubs in the world, no matter what the sport. If you have a chance, go to this game. I hated soccer until the World Cup was in the USA back in '94, and then the MLS started, and I went to a billion DC United games. On a wintry, hungover Boxing Day in '96 (I think), I watched MUFC against hated Liverpool, a game which Liverpool won. I decided at that moment to become an MUFC fan, and I was rewarded with a Premier League championship that year, thanks to Newcastle tanking a 9-point lead.
I'm not as hardcore as I was, but I am glued to the TV for the World Cup and for other games when I have time.
This should be a lot of fun, and I look forward to rolling into Ann Arbor wearing my red.
Go Blue (in case there is any doubt about my true allegiance)
I may go. I am not a soccer fan but I think it will be cool to go
Great video, better call, of course.
Though, I hate when americans use "futbol" instead of soccer (the American-English word) or "football" the English word.
Baxter, you know I don't speak spanish!
That was nasty
Better tackling in a soccer game than on that play
Does anyone know if the $7 to $21 ticket fee is per ticket? (It is slightly discounted if you order 15 or more tickets).
maybe I will mow my yard that day.