There's going to be quite an imbalance between the divisions in terms of coaching caliber.
There's going to be quite an imbalance between the divisions in terms of coaching caliber.
Penn State hit a home run. Didn't think they'd get someone good to replace OB. Good for them.
So, Penn State, who are you thinking about hiring?
A man whose tenure at Vanderbilt was marked by a rape scandal.
You shut your whore mouth!
I bet your alum \s
allow you to bet his alum.
It's the first thing in the Rules of Modding passed down from one generation of mods to the next.
With all due respect, when making a derisive comment regarding someone's education, it may be advisable to use correct grammar yourself.
...Narduzzi to Vanderbilt?
I thought losing BoB would hurt Penn St. but they just upgraded. Good for them.
BoB is pretty damn good and landed himself an nfl head coaching job so I'm not so sure this is an upgrade. Let's see what Franklin can do first in Happy Valley before we say he's an upgrade. I'm more interested to see how franklins personality meshes with all the old codger "DURR DURR JOEPA WAS WRONGED!" Crowd and how they accept him.
This guy did pretty well at an academics-first institution in the SEC. That being said, I hope he doesn't prove himself because it may end up being at our expense.
I'm not sure he's an upgrade. As Rittenberg notes in his article on the hire, only two of Franklin's 11 SEC wins came against teams with winning records. He basically performed at a Pat Fitzgerald level there, beating bad/mediocre teams but coming short against the big boys. Now, he admittedly didn't have much talent to start out with, but he hasn't had any signature wins along the lines of say, Harbaugh's upset of #1 USC his first year.
Franklin's offenses have also been pretty mediocre.
Franklin is a good coach but I don't think he's an upgrade over BOB.
I'm not sure there's enough information on BOB to make that determination. When the mass defections didn't happen before the 2012 season, he wasn't working with that depleted of a roster. And he was even able to lure in an impact freshman for 2013. It's this year and next where the sanctions are really going to take hold.
BOB had a reasonable roster and reasonable success. Nothing great, nothing bad while working in less than ideal circumstances. It probably would have taken another 3 years or so to establish a real baseline of what BOB could do as a college coach.
Bill O'Brien is a proven NFL commodity. Sure, he upgraded his stock by saving PSU, but he was already the OC at the Patriots.
like this guy?
That's probably what Syracuse fans were telling themselves when they hired GERG.
I think that one thing that will definitely help Franklin - and it is thanks to O'Brien - is that he inherits a position which is perhaps in far better shape than it could have been under some other hires. The Nittany Lions will continue to be hampered by sanctions, but I think O'Brien set them up to be about as successful as possible in that period. Franklin seems to want to come home, from the tenor of his statement after accepting the position and I have to think they'll give him a lot of time given the situation.
This seems like a "no lose" situation for Franklin- it seems it would be hard to blame him for losses. A question about the sanctions: what year do they cut the deepest and what year does Penn St come back to full power? Any answers would be appreciated. Thanks
I wouldn't say that. Any PSU coach is going to be constantly compared to JoePa (which drove O'Brien crazy), and they're now halfway through the sanctions and haven't had a losing season, so the fans don't expect too much rebuilding.
I think he just left a "no lose" position for one with much higher expectations.
I think BOB probably deserves some credit for mass defections not occurring. He brought in better recruiting classes than people thought possible given their sanctions. Franklin's going to have a tough slog for a couple of years, but if he can keep Hackenberg, they should be bowl eligible the first season they can go to a bowl.
I agree, but that was a one time, extremely unique occurrence. I won't consider it a negative as to his coaching ability if he weren't able to keep the teem together and I don't think it's necesserily indicative of positive college coaching ability that he was able to prevent mass defections.
Bill O'Brien's win at Wisconsin this year was as impressive a win as any coach had this year in the Big Ten. I think he's a really good coach.
The B1G East Division is loaded at the top.
The winner of the East Division, in a couple of years when PSU gets its sanctions lifted, is going to have to run the gauntlet. Franklin is a dynamic coach and an excellent recruiter, and could represent an arrow to the heart for Maryland in that Franklin has a big ifollowing n in DC, MD and VA.
The sanctions are going to hurt that program for several years and I wonder how the Penn State faithful will deal with matters beyond the new coach's control. Franklin may also find that the Ghost of Paterno will be a difficult act to follow,, somthing I suspect BOB did not enjoy.
will be either Wisconsin or Nebraska for the next 50 years or so .... ugh! Great job B1G office ! /s
Don't overlook Northwestern. I bet Fitzgerald will have them competing for the West most years.
Agreed - the Big Ten East might be the toughest division in football in a few years.
For them.... I think he only has another year left of scholarship reductions
And may all the staff have pretty wives.
then it only seems reasonable that he won't recruit a kid who doesn't have a hot Mom.
I'm hoping this will finally put the past behind them as now Franklin isn't the guy who replaced Joe Paterno. A strong Penn State helps the B1G all the way around.
Sadly, to this day the first thing I think of when I hear Penn State are the children.
and all of its baggage says welcome aboard.
The BIG needs to start hiring high profile coaches like Franklin. Good for PSU. But I thought the SEC was the stop before heaven? Why are people leaving the Holy Land that is the southeastern conference?
A lot of SEC coaches have B1G roots. Saban and Miles are the easy ones.
Franklin (Vandy/PSU) is from PA
Mullen (MSU) coached @ ND and is from PA
Stoops (Ky) coached at IA and is from OH
Pinkel (Mo) is from OH
Jones (Tn) coached @ Rutgers and is from Mi
Bielema (Ar) HC @ Wisconsin
Sumlin (A&M) Played at Purdue coached at Minn & Purdue
That's just head coaches. I'm sure there is even more ties with assistants.
Why? Do you think this is a step up from BOB? I don't.
He's been a name to keep tabs on for, what, three years now? And he's going to waltz into Penn State when depth is finally going to become an issue? I don't know why everyone looked at the fact that Obrien was able to to trot out an average to below average BCS conference team in his first two years as proof the sanctions weren't going to destroy Penn State. Taking away scholarships for future classes isn't a problem today.
Should be felt a little stronger this upcoming season. Were the sanctions slightly reduced?
That's what I'm getting at, the real effects are coming soon. And no, no reductions that I'm aware of. This is why I don't understand Franklin going there. He's supposedly a top candidate. Falling out of the sky at Penn State due to sanctions would certainly change that.
Positive the consequences against penn state have been reduced, not sure to what or when the reductions begin, but I'm pretty sure something has changed.
Just saying, and not trying to hijack the thread, but there were some rumors last night that a certain RB coach might be retiring.....
Take it FWIW
(I know Sam Webb said earlier yesterday that there was no impending retirement but a new rumor popped up)
That rumor pops up literally every single day. Why? Because it's an easy rumor to start.
I know. It just makes more sense this year, with his son graduating and all and a new offensive coordinator. Couple that with the lack of production from the backs the past couple years, and I wouldn't be surprised
He was at the meeting with Nuss and Nuss said he's excited to work with him. So until I hear something else official, I'll assume Fred is staying. Not saying he won't retire, but he also wanted to wait until his other son got scholarship offers before he retired.
New rumors will always be popping up, it's what people do best. They are just trying to change our happynuss level for good or bad, depending on one's take on the situation.
I don't think it's worthy of a new thread but worthy of a conversation at least
Call me a skeptic, but if the first rule of a message board is "Don't post porn" in all capital letters, I would be wary of using that message board as a "source"
gain the reputation of the SEC West - loaded division with great coaches where top recruits want to play and teams get rewarded with high rankings and bowls for running the gauntlet.
We won't win the division very year, but the rising tide will benefit UM.
Yeah the SEC is a bunch of cheaters but we should hire all of their coaches. I find that part funny.
Should have said onfield equivalancy as they are considered shady with recruiting, roster churn, academics, and overall ethics.
We shouldn't hire their coaches - although it's also funny that the SEC West has pulled guys with B1G backgrounds like Miles, Saban and Bielema.
As a Mississippi State season ticket holder, I enjoy having a strong division for the good home schedule. In odd years Alabama and LSU come to town. In even years we play Texas A&M and Auburn at home. It would be nice to see the Big 10 East provide for good teams to visit AA on a regular basis.
Just when you think it couldn't happen, with the hire of Franklin PSU just got a little more rapey.
Yeah, I'm sure they did their research, but it's weird how that story has been buried
Probably hired reputation.com. In fact by now PSU likely has an unlimited use license.
Some in the in-state press have mentioned the Vanderbilt issue in their stories but mostly as a one liner. The quick hire by PSU seems to have happened so fast that it beat any deep research on Franklin that would have buttressed arguments.
Narduzzi to Vanderbilt. I can wish right?
Is it going to work with the pocket passer that they have now?
I think he's a good hire, but I'm not certain he's the home run everyone's talking like he is. He's had good recruiting classes at Vanderbilt, but he's been able to play the "come play in the SEC" card right in the middle of the SEC's dominance in terms of national perception. He very well might be a good recruiter at Penn State, but it's not like O'Brien or Paterno weren't pulling in very well-respected classes either.
He's also not been challenged real hard, as the SEC East has been awful lately. The best SEC win in his tenure is Georgia this year, and Ole Miss last year is his only other win against an SEC team that went to a bowl game. So it remains to be seen if he can win big games.
I don't expect him to fail, but he's also not as terrifying as Urban Meyer going to OSU was. He'll be tough to recruit against, especially in PA and along the east coast, but I honestly have no idea how it will be on the field (his teams were never great statistically at Vanderbilt, and we also have no idea how successful Nussmeier will be). He's been pretty average in FEI (45, 43, 45 the past 3 years), and is basically average on offense and defense (ranging from 35-75 in offense and defense FEI during the same time).
And I don't think he'll be that tough to recruit against.
Besides from the SEC east being pretty weak during Vandy's recent success (he only has a couple of wins against SEC teams with winning records), most of Franklin's recruiting schtik was along the lines of "Come play for a strong academic school... but in the SEC!" That worked well and should always be Vanderbilt's main sell, but in the B1G he'll need something else and I don't see what it is. In his first year or two he might pull in a few kids PSU might not have necesarily gotten with his enthusiam and general demeanor, but a threat to Michigan's recruting he is not. Also, Franklin's player development hasn't been anything extraordinary.
I kinda wanted to see Golden go there. He's a Pa. guy. I know many PSU fans wanted him originally over O'Brien. I think he would be good for PSU and be a lifer there. But, Franklin should do well there too, which I think is important for the conference and for UM. I miss our rivalry games from the early/mid 2000s....not the close shitty games, but the close games between two top 10 teams. PSU is a big name in the B1G and it's important they be successful for the conference to get respect...same with UM and Nebraska.
Hire for PSU. He turned Vandy into an 8-9 win team in SEC quickly. They made the right move after Golden didn't work out. I think Franklin is a really good fit. Bad news for us, though.
The Big Ten East is stacked with national caliber coaches and assistant coaches.
Michigan - Greg Mattison, Doug Mussmeier
Ohio State - Urban Meyer
Penn State - James Franklin
MSU - Pat Narduzzi
Who does the West have? No one? I can't think of a single coach or assistant in the west who another BCS conference would be interested in stealing
Fitz, even though he'll probably never leave.
This was the first time he really had NW on the national radar and they flopped pretty hard. If they had had a good season (8-10 wins), I think he would've jumped up into that club. Now I think many people are wondering if he really can make them great or just 'not terrible'
Yesterday, I read that Franklin requested facility upgrades at Vandy, and the $31 million cost is tied to his contract, although technically not a "buyout" clause. According to this (Link): "If Franklin was to leave Vanderbilt, the team that brings him on board would be forced to pay off the remainder of the project."
I assume Penn State and Franklin got out of that ridiculous agreement. Frankly, I'm surprised a coach would sign with those absurd terms included. Anyway, I'm glad to see him in the B1G.
Now, Purdue just needs to write Sumlin a blank check to get him back "home," and add some spark and stregth to the B1G West. Joking aside, I think most of the B1G West teams will continue to improve.
Thats going to have to be a huge check to pull Sumlin out of College Station and the resources, exposure, and recruits he has and can get there. His style fits Purdue well, but even Sumlin must know how tough it is to win at Purdue
College coaching jobs seem to be more secure. And if he succeeds, he can still jump to the NFL.
I hope he can live thru the sanctions. To me that's the biggest handicap, especially when nobody there had anything to do with the original actions. I would even propose to lift their scholarship ban, just block them from postseason play.
Once those years are over, then its going to be a better time recruiting...but those young players will have to develop. So we are on like a 6 year "process" here to get back to theoretical full strength on parity with the other competitors in this division.
I don't have a feel for the Paterno-ism that's present in State College. Obviously its there and I don't know how Franklin will fit with it. Perhaps its as simple as the majority of the fanbase is used to a lot of win, just like one headquartered in Ann Arbor...I hope they have patience.
When we get to that 6 year mark I have some high aspirations for the B1G. I think its going to be very competitive. As many others have postulated and I repeat, conference strengths ebb and flow. The opening of East Coast recruiting to the B1G might be just the ticket to improving overall strength in the conference, with the caveat that the traditional powers can tap in to a larger percentage of the available recruits than the local schools.........we will see.,