landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
It's not the scheme, not the inexperience, not the talent at fault.
I don't care about the recruiting and transfers (of course I do, but not for this point)--poor players can be taught to tackle and stick to their assignments--ours do not. That is the difference between awful defense and poor to mediocre defense. If we had decent tackling I truly believe we would have at least one more win right now.
This is one thing I hate about people in this blog, why negbang him for stating a legitimate point that is obvious. He's not saying i hate michigan, or bitching. I'm guessing the person that gave him a -1 point never played football or any contact sport...
Agree 1000000000000000000%. I'm all in for Michigan, and Rich. But Greg Robinson needs to go (I keep saying this, and this board keeps giving me negs). There are plenty of defensive coordinators out there who could at least get us to tackle properly. I love our players, and fuck Spielman. He said we have no talent on the defensive side of the ball. We have been recruiting fine on that side of the ball. There is no reason why Wisconsin, who we definitely out-recruit on that side of the ball should have an incredible defense, and ours should be so poor. Granted they have experience, but our youthful talent was definitely capable of a middling defense this year, if it weren't for Greg Robinson.
Our offense will keep rolling next year. Bring a new D-Coordinator who can teach discipline and fundamentals, and we'll have a shot at the Big Ten Title. I swear to all of you there is no need to worry about a defensive scheme change. Defense has always been about discipline, tackling, pursuit angles, and aggresiveness. I played LB on two state title teams, and trust me we weren't running crazy schemes.
I'm proud of the heart we played with today. We could have easily came out and quit in the second half. Go Blue, Go Brandon, Go Rich, Go Team! We're on the right path!
Wisconsin and Iowa are perfect examples. Neither team lands elite recruiting classes, but year to year they always field good teams that, for the most part, are always competing for a big ten title. With the right coaching any team can be competitive and win big games. And with Michigan's young talent, improvement will happen.
"No one should have expected anything but a poor to mediocre defense this year. But we should expect players that tackle, pursue, and have proper assignments--regardless of experience and talent."
If our defense could tackle, pursue and have proper assignments, where exactly did you expect them to be poor/mediocre?
Also, why are you unwilling to attribute proper tackling techniques and pursuit angles to inexperience? That seems to be directly a result of our defense starting so many freshman.
If the defense could do even one of tackling, pursuit angles or assignment management well would we have such issues on the defense.
They are mediocre, for sure...why do you expect anything else given their limited pedigree (Rogers etc.) or the high volume of freshmen playing (Big Play Ray, Avery etc.)? Does it occur that the teams that will inevitably be mentioned in the thread as "coaching em up" also are starting a significantly high volume of "coached up" juniors and seniors on defense?
"Does it occur that the teams that will inevitably be mentioned in the thread as "coaching em up" also are starting a significantly high volume of "coached up" juniors and seniors on defense?"
Valid point. Well articulated. And I was not one to be inclined to agree with this general sentiment opening this thread.
Who do you think we would've beaten?
Penn State for one.
do you have -166 for that comment?
to identify admissions issues before signing day. That's on the coaching staff.
These are good athletes with skills...teach and develop the fundamentals!
Don't you think a lot of those things will improve with experience and maturity? I do...
angles yes they will get better but without coaching, the defense will not tackle the way they are supposed to. There has been many times they could have them stopped but then they throw their damn out there to tackle. When you teach tackling, yoou see the target, break your steps down to zero in and then explode through the tackle. They don't do this and you can see they were not taught. Rich admitted in a interview that they don't tackle in practice...well it shows.
Do you really think they have to learn to tackle in college? By the time they are seniors in high school they either have good tackling ability or your don't. It is as simple as running through the ball carrier with your head across his body. That's it. If you are too slow to get there because you are young and undersized, or because you are slow on your reads, that's why you come in with arm tackles or get bowled over. You don't teach pursuit angles to D-1 players. They are just too weak and slow. 4 D-linemen on the line might help too, but that is another issue...
Jeffry have you ever played football???I think not. It's a little bit more to it than running through the ball carrier. Yeah they were taught to tackle in highschool but D-1 football is a little different.
Defensive MVP, 1st team all conference, all state honorable mention (I got robbed because our FS was all state and there is politics involved). I led the team in tackles/sacks, and got recruited by plenty of teams but I decided college ball wasn't for me. Not that it makes me all knowing, just trying to prove that I get the game and defense. Our players know how to tackle, hence their scholarships to Michigan. They are just not in the right position because the game hasn't slowed down for them yet, and a bunch of them aren't strong enough to get off blocks and consequently barely get a hand on people and are trying to arm tackle. It is not much more than running through the ball carrier if you are in the right position. I wish you were here for me to show you.
who are good athletes and don't get the proper technique coaching in HS.
I want the D staff gone. Let a decent coach come in and bring his assistants. Three years of this piss poor Defense is just far to long. Its crippling our offense production.
This is strictly a teaching issue. We need new coordinators, because more often then not the team will reflect the coach, and an in your face DC will have an in your face D... cant see GERG yelling at anyone with sincerity.. I want this.
Not saying I want him as a coach, just the fire he brings
I agree and I can see it on the D they do give it their all. I want to see these guys succeed if not for my health but for themselves. I miss the dominant D that we use to be known for and if we can find that piece of the puzzle again this team will be unstoppable. They are just missing good coaching.
This has been a problem for three years. Someone ask Mack Brown where the buck stops at when it goes that far.
Sparty on top 35-31 and looking like they're going to win it.
I don't get any enjoyment out of an MSU loss when I'm numb from a Michigan loss.
Bowl practice, spring ball and especially this upcoming week work on tackling/gang tackling. Preaching to the choir but it boils down to running, blocking, hanging on to the FUCKING ball and Tacking (wrap up and drive through). Didn’t plan on winning but make it a game and for Gods sakes stay healthy for next week.
are more athletic, can get into better position, and can tackle better because of it. Less talented players....well don't.
There's been plenty of times where a Michigan player has been in place and tried tackling them whith their arms. Quit coming up with excuses and call it what it is.
that RRod doesn't recruit as well on defense as he does offense. I think Spielman hit the nail on the head today.
Players have been out of position all game and when you dive for tackles because of it, you're gonna miss.
that we have the worst talent in all the NCAA? I do not believe that for one second.
in my post it says that they have the worst talent. Coaching and fundamentals certainly factor in. When you have bad or even average talent (average talent on defense is probably what we're looking at) playing smart and tackling can move you up or down depending on how good or bad those things are. It just seems like we don't get those solid defensive recruits we once did.
but my belief is we have above average talent that is week in and week out blown out of the water. Our coaching is making them the worst in the league and the decisions that get made are just baffling.
that's where we differ on opinion. Unfortunately, I simply don't see above average talent on this team. We used to get solid 4-5 star players on defense, and now we get 2-3 star players with "upside". I don't take complete stock in the star ranking system, but it's the only thing we have to base opinions on of recruits and I'm of the belief that you're more likely to get a solid player by recruiting the former rather than the latter.
we are below average in talent? That is interesting because based on the rankings (which aren't infallible) we recruit above average talent in every respect. YET, we still have the worst D in the NCAA. Look, no argument that getting 5* players will improve our D but I think that with our current D coaching, we could take 5*'s and still get blown out of the water.
They need to go...ALL of them
offensive recruits and I think RRod specializes in identifying these kids. For the defense we fielded today, there are a couple four stars, and the rest are are all 3 stars, with a 2 star and a walk-on.
WI has a sub 2 star walk-on DT named Watts who handled our OL quite well. I wonder why WI can turn these low ranked players in to monsters in their system?
...we started 6 4 star recruits (the entire D-line and LB corpes who were the announced starters of the game were all 4 star recruits), a walk-on playing like a 3 star (Kovacs), 2 3 stars, and one 2 star (what happened to Cullen Christian, who was a 4 star?).
The situation in the secondary is a bit unique in that we've had 4-5 4 star athletes transfer, one good starter get hurt (Woolfolk), and one make an ill-conceived attempt to go pro.
please tell me where you see we have recruited a two star player. Even if we have five star players, they still need to be coached. So your telling me that Syracuse has more talent than we do on defense. They are the thirteenth best D in the country, up from where they were when Greg was there at like 100 something. Its all about coaching players up.
two star by rivals.
Perfect excuse to cruise Rivals.com. Thank you. Now for the ill-informed...
We have 2 4 star committments on Defense from the two major (Delonte Holliwell and Brennan Beyer) with Dallas Crawford (who had offers from Iowa, Georgia Tech, and Miami Fl) being a 4 star recruit from ESPN.
Last year's class had Richard Ash (4 star, offers from Oklahoma State and USC), Cullen Christian (4 star, offer from Ohio State), Marvin Robinson (4 star, offers from Ohio State and Florida) and Jibreel Black who *should* have been 4 stars after his 3 sack performance in the Ohio North-South game.
The 2009 class? None of them panned out but I caught 4 4 star committments and William Campbell.
There's plenty of 4 star+ commitments on D, just not the coaching to shape them (or in Campbell's case the work ethic).
We used to get solid 4-5 star players on defense, and now we get 2-3 star players with "upside". I don't take complete stock in the star ranking system, but it's the only thing we have to base opinions on of recruits and I'm of the belief that you're more likely to get a solid player by recruiting the former rather than the latter.
But most of those guys weren't playing today. They may very well pan out, but take a look at the trends over time. From 2003-2007 the percent of 3 star defensive recruits isn't nearly as high as it has been under RRod.
2003-2007 = 16/42 (38%) of defensive recruits that had three or fewer stars
2008-2011 = 22/38 (58%) of defensive recruits that had or have three or fewer stars
...what recruiting site. Scout & ESPN, for instance, think much better of the current incoming class than Rivals (Holliwell is a 4 star on both Scout & ESPN, but only 3 stars on Rivals).
this year (2011), we're not in the top 25 on ESPN and we are 28th on rivals. Last year we were 14th on ESPN and 20th on rivals (and no, 6 spots isn't much of a difference). Some guys are rated higher or lower on each site, but it evens out.
...as ESPN ranks 4 of our verbals as 4 stars while Rivals only ranks 2 as 4 stars. Then again, Rivals ranks MSU's 2011 class as 2nd in the big 10 when their incoming class is Lawrence Thomas and pray the long-shots work out (LT Is a really, really good recruit, but when he's it you just can't be ranked that highly).
We still get talented players, more talent than half the b10 teams. We have lost a lot of our recruits over the years which is part of the problem. The other half of the problems lies directly on the coaching staff. We have for some reason been unable to develop our players. That goes right to the head coach!
For example they have just ran 25 straight times with nine people in the box and gaining five to ten yards a carry...no excuse. I just watched Vinopal have him lined up to tackle and fell at his feet.
he's about 170 pounds trying to take down a 240 lbs train. I still have the image of him getting absolutely trucked by Royster when he tried to tackle high on his first run support opportunity.
In a lot of aspects this IS a coaching issue. GERG and RR are throwing way too many schemes at this defense. 3-3-5, 4-3, "4-4", 3-4 all with position switches by the week. It's sickening. I would prefer to run a base 4-3 with the simplicity of an 8th grade defense so they at least know where they need to be on most plays.
Again, to prevent negbang, I love Coach Rod. But GERG has proven basically nothing at the college level.
IIRC GERG was in charge of a talented defense basically keeping teams from catching up to the offense with the Broncos. That is his specialty...not being forced to run a scheme that puts the most players of our worst position group (secondary) on the field.
I'm no coach and GERG knows 1000x more than I ever will (I think), but this stuff is so irritating to watch.
Come on bro. "We're going to be multiple."
Hey dumbass, go somewhere else.
I have legitimate hope that we can win every game on the schedule next year.
I can see both NE and OSU beating us next year at home. Our defense would really have to improve by leaps and bounds to only have one loss next season. I'm hoping for an 8-4 or 9-3 record in 2011 with the defense making big strides through the season with a good DC who can coach!!!!
If we get a good DC, we should put it together in DROB's senior year to make a run at getting a BCS bowl!
Sir, I really hope you just shut down your computer and go do something else the rest of the day.
We don't need your emotional reaction crap.
When you have gotten into the realm of rooting for Michigan to lose big so that we can get rid of a coach, you have gone off your rocker.
You are no longer a Michigan fan if you get to that point, and you sound pretty close IMO.
Go sleep it off.
Of course you are not rooting for us to lose. You have just given us a 0% chance to win either of our last 2 games. Go root for another team.
...you can choose to eitherto be logical or be a Kool-Aid drinker. Jonestown showed wha happened to the later. I award the RR die hards no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
So you are giving us a 0% chance of winning a bowl game against an undetermined team also? You can go root for another team also. I hate what our fans have become.
...honestly...Lions fans have a better connection to reality (hint: It doesn't matter what the team is when you perform as we have against teams that are even the slightest bit tough).
Sounds like you will be supporting tOSU next week. Or, ar least you will find an "upside" to a UM defeat.
Wait, we're 7-6?
Can someone tell me what I got for Christmas? I seem to have slept through it...
...beating OSU or whoever we playin the Insight Bowl? The answer is no.
I hope Dave Brandon unleashes the Pimp Hand real strong on you
When you're done being an irrational fan, come on back. Your arrogance is not needed at this juncture.
This was in response to Exmtroj.
Just like you are NOT a real Michigan football fan. I am a rational fan and I think everything you just typed is complete horseshit. Your entitlement is disgusting. And if you were wondering, there won't be any room for you on the bandwagon.
Wisconsin ran all but one play the entire second half and our defense couldn't get them to punt once. (not) ONCE!!! In the entire half! All the defensive coaches should be fired yesterday. People who wanted to bring GERG back after last week: you're out of your minds and now you know.
What? Rodriguez is on notice. Unless the defense makes a leap next year he's gone.
when you keep seeing safties coming up to make tackles on runs...that means the LB's are not doing there job. I believe it is the scheme...hence 3 down lineman 3 LBs and 5 safeties...
You cannot stop the run when you have safties coming from 10-12 yards back. Gerg has not developed these LBs at all...I just hate everything about the defense. Ya they are young bla bla bla...everything and everyone is at fault.
maybe it's a combination of the scheme, the inexperience, the lack of talent, and yes, the lack of fundamentals.
OVER-REACTIONARY GAMEDAY LOSS POST ARRRRRGHHHH
It didn't help that the Purdue punter thought he had all day to put his thumb up his ass before he got his punt blocked.
It has gotten to the point that a failed onside kick attempt is almost better than kicking the ball off, because the offense will get the ball quicker...if that doesn't speak to defensive FAIL on all levels, I don't know what does...
We were killed today, humiliated on defense. It's an insult for them to run the ball on every single play (save one) and for us to not be able to stop them once. How do you not adjust as a DC? Put in the four-man beef machine on the DL, Demens, Mouton, and Obi at LB, and Marvin and Carvin at safety. STOP. THE. RUN. Adjust.
That said, we don't have the players on defense right now. I begrudgingly agree with Spielman (who is awesome in Techmo Superbowl, btw--sack machine) that we just don't have the talent, size, and speed on defense to be a Michigan defense. Spielman said that RR is still recruiting WVU-caliber defenders, and that needs to change. For starters, you bring in an entire defensive staff with NFL credibility, with a history of sending players to the league, and you let them run the show on that side of the ball. Do that and we'll be in the running for the blue-chip defenders.
West Virginia is in the top five in the country in scoring defense right now. Yes, I know the Big East is pretty poor right now, but I'd take their defense in a heartbeat. What we need is competetent coaching for whatever level of defensive players we have.
Wisconsin has 19 starting seniors and is, right now, the more talented team. Sometimes we lose because of the things we do (poor angles, tackling, etc.). This week we lost to a better, more experienced team. Not much point of whining about angles when the better team clearly one. I do think it's very possible that next year we are the better team, though. Go blue!
Michigan is an average defense away from being able to compete with anybody in the country. I don't know how long it will take to get that, but it could be immediately if we get the right defensive coordinator in place.
...9 wins next year. If our freshman have even ordinary improvement (remember, we're playing 9 freshmen in the rotation) we take a large step forward on D, that should be good for at least 2 more wins.
interesting point. now math time. wisconsin has at least 17 senior or redshirt senior starters. rich is in year 3 coaching and has 1 senior starter. considering players takes 4-5 years to become seniors then 5 minus 3 is 2 years that carr didn't recruit shit and coach rod is making up for that with still good but young players. don't be the moron who says rich is not out trying to get every top defensive player there is but it doesn't always go your way every time. is there one clear perspective on the state of the team inherited by rich on this message board?
for ushering in Mich first winning season in two years. The young guys comming up next year yes I see some great things they will be able to do. I'm not ashamed of the defensive effort this game Ironically the Offense put Michigan in a serious hole. Next year we'll be real good
Is that what Michigan has become to you? Just happy to have a winning season....
Yah thats what it could be...
The lack of multiple NFL-talent upperclassmen on defense is not RR's fault.
Really? Still beating this dead horse?
No, it's not Rodriguez's fault that we don't have six NFL-caliber seniors on defense. Which is why no one is complaining that Rodriguez hasn't put together the best defense in college football.
It is on Rodriguez that we have, literally, the worst defense in Division I-A football.
Yes the offense puts up yards each game. But it consistently doesn't perform when the game is still close. Where was the offense early in the 1st half today when the defense was playing about as well as we can expect them to?
So RR is lucky that he found a diamond in the rough and developed said diamond to be in the heisman conversation in his sophomore year? This is the "our coaches suck and can't coach" thread, let's at least be consistent in our bi-polarness
It was utter and complete domination by Wisky offense vs. Michigan defense. It was one of those so called " Men against boys" situations. Michigan had NO CHANCE to stop Wisky today. Even Michigans seniors got DOMINATED...Patterson, Banks, and mostly Mouton were taken to the woodshed on Senior Day.
The problem is that everything is a trainwreck. Kicking, Coaching, Tackling, schemes, consistency, playcalling, clock management, player management, everything. A trainwreck.
I think after three seasons it's pretty obvious that defensive coaching needs a serious upgrade. And if we can get a DC who can also recruit well that would be the icing on the proverbial cake.
REALLY??? The players can't tackle, that's partially a talent issue, which is a recruiting issue - too many project type 3-star players.
They can't tackle or take good angles. That is youth, but it is also coaching. The coaches have not done a good job teaching fundamentals on defense.
The scheme is poor. The 33-5 or whatever the hell this useless defensive scheme is puts the defense in a bad place. They can't stop a running team and they can't stop a passing team. Again the scheme is on the coaches.
Not having the players to play the scheme is also on the coaches, from recruiting to devising a scheme that utilizes the talent available. The defensive recruiting is horrible and the coaching of the talent is not good either.
Hire a real DC and let him pick his staff and the scheme he wants and let him coach it. The 3-3-5 or the stack or whatever doesn't not work in a power conference. The Dlineman are not big enough and there are no LBs on this team that can play in this scheme.
So, I disagree, most of the problems this team has are on the coaches, offensively and defensively.
Dude, I can teach you a bunch of moves, but if you can't dance, you can't dance. :) That's why we separate teaching/coaching from execution. I cannot accept that these coaches have not drilled the fundamentals of tackling by this point. Look at Ezeh and you have the answer - after 4 years and multiple DCords its still the same Ezeh.
Well then why did it take half a season for the coaches to figure out that Demens is a much, much better LBer than Ezeh? Half a season to figure out Roh should play on the DL not as aLB? Why was our defense so bad last year with B. Graham, M. Martin, D. Warren, T. Woolfolk, J.Mouton? Purdue's secondary rivals ours in lack of depth and experience and they aren't complete FAIL.
So those are a few things that spring immediately to mind...
The 3-3-5 is forcing UM to play sooo many freshman in the defensive backfield. Scheme and defensive staff needs to go...everyone agrees.
Regardless all of this goes back to RR.
Actually, a lot of it has to do with the inexperience. But whatever.
When James Rogers went out early in the game, our defensive backfield consisted of freshman Courtney Avery, freshman Terrence Talbott, freshman Ray Vinopal, and former walk-on sophomore Jordan Kovacs. Even with Rogers on the field, he's a cornerback-turned-wide receiver-turned-cornerback.
I'm trying to figure out why people think poor tackling technique is the reason 175 lb freshman can't bring down a 235 lb running back who is already moving.
Because technique is the only thing that matters.
As long as an 83-year-old woman uses the right form, she can bench press a Cadillac.
...albeit not often and those cases where it happened occurred with someone who had a world class amateur wrestling background against someone who didn't (wrestlers can use leverage like you can't believe).
Actually, Rogers is a wide receiver turned cornerback turned wide receiver turned cornerback.
running a defensive scheme requiring 5 DBs with a secondary which was weak 2 months ago is a bigger factor imo. Past few weeks is a consequence of that decison
A year of Barwis will do the body good...
But c'mon Gerg, what the fuck was that?! I cant speak on the nature of Rich and Gerg's relationship, but if Rodriguez wants to be standing across the sideline from Saban in Dallas in 2012, something needs to be done.
Everyone should just go drink or do whatever it is you do to stop the pain. Why even write a post like this!
To paraphrase D. Green:
"the Badgers are who we thought they were!.."
How bout something @#$%^&* funny:
My buddy thinks Pam Ward is hot. He's said he met her in person and TV makes her look bad. Huh! Unbelievable!
Yes it was shockingly obvious that defensive talent is lacking, but ultimately that's poor recruiting. Yes there were a rash on injuries in the secondary, but that wasn't the problem today. Despite lining 8-9 guys up front, this defense could not stop a simple stretch play.
The defense is a jumbled mess, without talent, and without an identity. It just shows you the ugliness of combining different philosophies. Ultimately, it's Rich Rod's fault for letting it get to this point. He was the one who foolishly hired Schafer, only to let him go a year later. He then compounded the mistake by hiring G. Robinson. All the while, he brought over his defensive assistants who wanted to run a 3 3 5, even though Schafer ran a 4 3 and G. Robinson started with a 3 4. It's a complete disaster.
In my mind, Rich Rod has forfeited his right to control the defense. He needs to have that responsibility taken away from him by Brandon. He's made two egregious errors in hiring and recruiting is almost non-existant. It's not necessarily bad because it happens all the time, like at Oregon where Chip Kelly doesn't get involved with the defense at all.
It's becoming pretty clear that the 3 3 5 won't work in the Big Ten. I don't think trying to bring in Casteel is the answer. Rich Rod showed fatal hesitancy by not hiring another 3 3 5 coach (which he could have done but chose not to). There's no sense talking about the 3 3 5 at West Virginia either because they're in far and away the worst BCS conference in the country, and below at least two non-BCS conferences (Mountain West, WAC). If you want a fast, swarming defense, Michigan can always go back to the 4 3, or run a lot of nickel. That is precisely what Oregon does. In any event, the decision needs to be made by Brandon, with input from Rodriguez. There needs to be a clean house, except maybe Rodriguez can keep Tall, but everyone else has to go. There is NO WAY elite recruits will want to be a part of his defense. It is a jumbled mess without an identity, with poor talent and poor performance. I think that even Rodriguez will concede at the end of the season that a careful decision about a new direction for the defense needs to made in tandem with Brandon, and that it is time to part ways with much if not all of his defensive staff.
...we're getting recruits who have offers from relatively big-time programs (at least 3 in next years class, many more in the 2 previous classes). It's the *coaching* that's the problem. If we ran a 3-4 with one LB basically being a rush backer on the line we'd be better using the talent we have. But its not like recruiting is non-existant (despite what Mike Valenti and Pat Caputo claim), its that Rodriquez is doing jack with the recruits he gets.
Does one season and off-season make this secondary better? I don't get into the coaching debate because the coach is the coach but I have a big sad face thinking about the future. I can't rationalize that one year of getting burnt and blowing tackles will suddenly improve next year with a barwisization. Even with the top corner recruit in the nation we are still back to "he's a freshman".
I'm not pointing fingers and will retire to drink but I get agitated with the assumption that "experience" is the answer. Someone please tell me why I'm wrong but I have a sad face regardless of who is coaching.
The scheme is part of the problem. UM does not have the talent to run the 3-3-5 or 3-4ish, whatever UM is trying to run. RRod implemented the 3-3-5 not Greg Rob. RRod takes as much blame as GRob does.
need to be shown the door after this season is over! I dont think its all on Greg since RR forced certain things he wanted done on defense ie, 3-3-5. I think he did his best considering he couldnt hire his own defensive staff and had to make due with these wvu boys. but we need to get a great defensive mind back to AA that can choose a scheme and form an identity on defense. We also need to get rid of all defensive assistants and let new DC bring in own guys. Defense is only thing holding this team back from contending for big ten titles!
saying RR needs to spend more time with the defence. The issue is in fact, he needs to be spending less time with them. His interference and reliance on his pet defense scheme, has turned that side of the ball into a shambles. Even if he brings somebody new in, will it make a difference? He is not a person that will give up control easily.
He is a smart coach. You'd think he could see that this multiple, swiss army knife defense, is not the answer.
That is ridiculous. Are you suggesting that Greg is teaching the players poor tackling and angle taking skills? Do you think he doesnt want all these Freshman to perform well? How on earth can you expect a coach to change the way these young kids perform in a game situation? Give them time....they are improving...they had several great plays today.
i was wondering since i've never played football, these kids have been playing football since middle school, or most of them have. shouldnt they already know how to tackle? it seems to me that things like schemes and angles need to be taught, but once you get to the guy wrap him up and bring him down. I know that if somebody showed me the correct way to tackle even once i would be able to replicate it from then on.
Inexperience has nothing to do with it. The players aren't being coached. Freshmen adjusting to the speed and power of the four teams that have beaten 7-4 Michigan so far has nothing to do with it, either. The coaches should be able to wave their magic wands and turn first and second-year players into seniors in size, experience, and reaction time.
Michigan got beaten by a team of bigger, more-experienced players. Every team that has beaten Michigan this year has had a lot more experience on both units. When I remember the pre-season predictions, I think over ninety percent of the posters here predicted Michigan to lose this game.
With the exception of MSU, every game that Michigan has lost has been to a team that almost everyone thought would beat them in the preseason prediction threads. So why are so many people pointing fingers? Why are so many surprised at an outcome they probably predicted at the beginning of the season?
Yeah, it sucks that Michigan lost. It also sucks that MSU and OSU made fourth-quarter comebacks today. It's even worse for me, because my "local team" lost to Pittsburgh.
Big fucking deal. It's nothing to cry, whine, bitch, piss, or moan about. And it's certainly no reason to bitch about the coaching staff or the players. They are all doing the best they can this year, and they are guaranteed to have won more than they lost. Most people here would have been happy with that at the beginning of the season.
Michigan improved this season, and will be going to a bowl. And I would bet everything I have that nobody in that locker room thinks they are going to lose to OSU next week. This season isn't over yet, and OSU is beatable. Michigan could win their next two games to go 9-4 for this season.
Most of all, we have seen glimpses of what RR's offense will be able to accomplish with a little more experience. The defense will be better next year, too. MSU and Wiscy are having "career" seasons this year. They won't be that good next year. If Michigan improves one more increment, they should beat both of those teams, and maybe PSU, too.
So, instead of throwing the coaching staff and a bunch of underclassmen under the bus, why not just try to enjoy watching a young team grow, and a formerly stodgy program setting the foundation for a very successful decade to come?
While hardly anyone thought we could win this game at the beginning of the season, I don't think any of us forsaw the total collapse of the defense. It's the way we lost. To know exactly what's coming and not being able to stop it. The offense made some mistakes today. Denard still isn't a polished passer and there were drops. But most of us will take that because after all, the offense is young. We see the potential there and know they will improve and be one of the most explosive units in country as early as next year. However, the improvement most of us foresaw in the preseason on defense just isn't there. The defense has regressed and there is little light at the end of the tunnel.