If there has been, I apologize for missing it, but I havent seen anything official about what exactly his injury was. If we knew the extent of his injury, we could probably estimate a timeframe on his return. As it stands, I guess his status for next season remains unknown?
Is it strange there has been no comment about Fitz' injury yet?
He broke his leg. Like, snapped it clean. It was covered right after the game.
Didn't they annonce that it was a broken ankle and that he had surgery soon after the Iowa game?
He had his surgery while the Iowa game was being played.
I think it might
Why, oh why. Please don't post pics like this unless they are hidden by a link or something.
my mouth a little. To OP: Damn man, give a brother a warning or something. Now Im going to have nightmares. Maybe I can convince Kate Upton to pop in my dream and make me feel better.
Wait, you're male?
stomach. I would have loved to go into the Medical Profession. My only draw back is that I cant stand the sight of blood or injuries.
The Joe Theisman injury was tramatic for me. It took decades of therapy to get me to watch MNF again.
Oh, my bad. Well you could have been a fake doctor, like a pediatrician.
Pediatricians do good work. I know how much my son weighs and am able to put aderral into his Oreos because of his pediatrician. Very valuable service.
Pediatricians sometimes have treat kids with horrible ailments, they still see a lot of bad things.
There must not be any mgopediatricians out there to call you out on this.
Pediatric sub specialists at Mott are as we speak taking care of some of the sickest patients in the state.
Yes - general pediatricians see a lot of healthy patients but correctly diagnosing the rare pt who has something bad presenting like a common problem is very difficult (and I'm glad I don't have to do it).
...may be unpleasant but football fans should see it. Maybe we should even be forced to look at such images. We all support the sport and revel in its glory but many of us are too quick to hide from the games darker sides and the brutality it impacts on the participants.
If you really want to be a football fan, it's worth looking at an imagine like that and imagining the pain of your own leg snapping. And if you find that uncomfortable then maybe it's time to reconsider whether you want to be a football fan.
Seriously dude. Not cool.
I was at the game, I have managed to avoid looking at pictures of it until today. I won't feel a bit guilty for negging you on sight.
Is it embarassing that I followed the little cursor guy around for like five minutes with my mouse? I feel like a cat trying to catch a laser pointer.
Mmm...Friday afternoon at work. So productive.
I am of the opinion that the guy who made that is spastic. There are some Fridays that are destined to be more non-productive than others.
Do not repost that pic... It is kinda disrepectful.
I have no medical knowledge, but I would think even a compound fracture wouldnt keep him out 9 months right?
But since you have no medical knowledge, what you think isn't very helpful, now is it?
I'm not sure the exact nature of Fitz' injury, but I broke my tibia and fibula and I was out about 8-9 months. My break was down towards the ankle, which looked similar to the pic of Fitz, although I'm not sure on the mechanics of his. My tibia broke first and that was a clean break, but it was broken from a posterior/medial impact force. So, my tibia broke clean and then pushed laterally shattering the fibula. It took three surgeries before it was all said and done. Initially they repaired the ankle with 9 pins and a metal plate. The surgery was more traumatic than the injury and it took months to reduce the swelling. One pin immobolized the joint from any movement. After about 4 months they removed the single pin that immobolized the joint. I was no weight bearing for about 5-6 months initially, then rehab and mobility work for a good 2-3 months before I could begin what I would call real strengthening and impact work like running, jumping, squatting, etc. At a full year they removed the remainder of the hardware after my baseball season. Even at a full year out I wasn't quite the same. It probably took roughly a year and a half before I felt 100% again once all the hardware was out and I went through my second rehab stint. Granted I am not a stud like Fitz, but I was a collegiate baseball player to give a point of reference and my injury happened when I was 17. It was really my second season back after the injury in college where I felt stronger than before, but my first season back was a little bit of a learning period and took some time to get used to being back out there. I still do not have the same range of motion in the injured ankle as I do the other one, but that didn't really impact my performance, but is still a kind of pain. Obviously Fitz is a better athlete, has better PTs and medical staff around him etc., but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's not 100% and ready to be our #1 RB next year. Serious injuries, especially breaks in the legs are traumatic for athletes and take some time to recover from both mentally and physically. I can vividely remember the sound of my bones snapping as well as my foot pointing the wrong way. I can recall after being helped off the field trying to elevate my leg only to feel my bones slide to the back of my leg. These are not mental images that go away quickly. It takes time to realize you will be OK and it won't happen again, especially in an impact sport like football I'd imagine.
Wow, that sounds brutal. It sucks you had to go through that, but thanks for sharing.
Those kinds of injuries are challenging to deal with, but with the right attitude they can build strength. Fitz has been through that mental process before with the knee and he's also 5 years older than I was and probably has a great support system there. If he's anything like me he will probably be fine long term, I'm just not sure he will be "there" by the beginning of next season. I'm guessing he'll play, but will take some time gain confidence, game speed and strength, and mental toughness. He may not start to feel like his old self until sometime in early 2014, which is good for his NFL potential, but no so much for next year.
With fort Schembechler in full effect, its actually standard operating procedure. I wouldn't expect to hear anything but general, "he's doing fine", type of talk. As long as I know he had a successful surgery I'm good.
Given this staff's history of sharing this type of information, is anyone at all surprised that we haven't been told much?
Heiko, time for a predictive experiment: next time you are at a presser, when you or anyone else asks "How's Fitz?" lets lay down odds that you don't get more than a 3 word answer.
From what I understand, Fitz was injured while playing American Football. That better?
This is a repost from around the initial time of injury:
I would add that in addition to possible ligament damage, it would be important to know if it was:
a) JUST a tibia fracture
b) tibia-fibula fracture (tib-fib)
c) Pilon fracture where the tibia is fractured extending into the ankle joint
This would change the surgery done. There was also a reason that they did the surgery as an emergency (either it was open or the bloodflow to the foot was affected). If the fracture extended into the joint this would neccessitate more complex surgery (the other fractures can be fixed with rods [higher in leg] or plate and screws [this would likely be done for a lower fracture]).
None of these would be easy to recover from and we will find out more eventually (like in fall camp if he is practicing). Don't expect to see him in the spring though
As a fan I wish and hope for a full recovery. Good luck Fitz!
I would doubt that unless somebody interviews Fitz himself that we will know exact details...but don't be shocked if he medically redshirts next year (and less likely but unfortunately possible that he doesn't return to football)
His leg bent 90 degress halfway between his ankle and knee. I'm not a doctor, but I promise he broke both tibia and fibula, unless he has the most flexible bones EVAR.
Not neccessarily. I do think that it is likely, but I took another look (see below that someone is arguing that his shoe was coming off...maybe). Now this is a slightly grainy image and I am making a sideline diagnosis, but the fracture (assured) is inferior (low) enough and there is some eversion (bent out) in addition to the extreme non-anatomical plantarflexion (bending backwards).
The point of all this is that an isolated tibia fracture is unlikely. As you suggested a fibula fracture in addition (tib-fib) is quite possible. However, so is a tibia fracture with extension into the ankle joint. Neiter is very condusive to athletics at a high level.
The lower half of those two bones should never touch the top half of those two bones. Never.
injury. I was standing straight upwards and I looked down and I could see the entire bottom of my cleat. I thought "Oh shit, my cleat came off." Then I realized my foot was still in the cleat.
Then I said. "Oh shit, This is going to hurt by a lot".
And it did. And it still does 30 years later.
I don't think that we should ever have an expectation that they have to tell us what a college ( or pro for that matter) athlete's injury is.
Also, a broken leg in not to much of a different spot ended Theisman's career. I personally think it will be a great accomplishment if he comes back. But, of course, I have no direct knowledge of the situation.
Theisman injured himself almost 30 years ago. Sports medicine has made major advances since then. We saw this with Justin Fargas, who broke his leg in a couple of places and needed an extended rehab time, but ultimately returned to close to full strength. I would expect Toussaint to make a reasonably full recovery at some point.
It's possible, my point is it is no guarantee that a broken leg can be an easy recovery as some have suggested. I suspect the immediate surgery is a goo din dictation that this was not a nice clean break and will be a tough recovery. I hope I am wrong.
A goo din dictation? Was that surgery pioneered in Asia?
Thats one sexy Goo Din you have there
The immediate surgery was probably the application of an external fixator because of the risk of developing a compartment syndrome, and would be unrelated to the comminution (clean break vs shattered) of the fracture. Once that risk subsided (a few days to a week later), they would remove the x-fix and put a rod in his tibia, and they may or may not have also plated the fibula (assuming it was broken). Just looking at the pictures of the injury it looked too proximal to be a pilon (which is a good thing for Fitz).
went well and he is recovering fine. He didn't give detailed medical info, but the video was clear and nobody will specify a recovery timetable.
He is supposedly traveling to FL with the team and maintaining his rehab schedule, so no great mystery.
I think that picture looks worse than what the injury was because his shoe is in the process of coming off
With his foot still inside it.
He was carted off the field and immediately had surgery, that itself paints a pretty bad picture.
Methinks you are confusing "shoe" with "foot." His foot was in the process of coming off.
There were about 12 camera angles, and each of them showed pretty clearly that OH MY GOD STOP SHOWING THAT.
Exactly. Make that image get out of my eyes
Even football players have HIPAA rights. I'm glad to see Hoke and staff adhere to the rules.
Those rules only apply to the medical staff no? I don't think they would be breaking any rules by saying his leg is snapped in half.
They apply to covered entities and employees (or contractor/business associates) of covered entities. I don't think I don't think that definition could be stretched far enough to cover Hoke.
contractors/business associates of the athletic department?
In any regards students have student privacy rights beyond medical ones, but certainly medical ones fall under student privacy rights.
Fitz's helmet at anyone asking the question.
HIPAA applies only to covered entities that accept health insurance (it is a health insurance law after all). I would guess that the team trainers/doctors don't accept insurance or the players sign a waiver giving the coaching staff access to their health records in regard to injuries (just a guess on my part). Either way Hoke wouldn't be bound by HIPAA. Student privacy laws are a different matter.
but I bet in a court of law, privacy rights trump all else. Anyone with a big mouth could be sued.
As long as Fitz gives permission HIPAA doesn't matter.
release his information to all media outlets, all citizens of earth-- and therefore any university official or private person could use this information as they see fit.
would be a hell of a roi form.
Yeah, once you know someone's medical details and they have voluntarily shared them with you there really isn't anything to stop you from blabbing all about it. Hoke isn't a blabber though, so we're kind of stuck.
But for the fact he's a good man, great coach.
There have been statements. His leg is broken. He has had surgery. He is expected to recover fully for next season.
What I think is strange is that you expect to see his medical charts. None of that is any of your business.
“Number one, Fitz had surgery. Went very well. Saw him yesterday. Should get out of the hospital today, and should have a full recovery, and we’ll move forward and he’ll move forward.
Do you expect him back for next season?
Hoke: “Yes. Yes. Hope so.”
Has he started rehabbing yet?
“He’s started some rehab work, yeah. He’s on crutches still, but he’s smiling. He’s excited. They think it’s going to be really really good recovery.”
When will Hoke tell us how his rehab will turn out? We demand to know the future.
Yeah, but other than two clear statements in two press conferences covered here in posts tagged "Fitzgerald Toussaint" why can't I find any word on Fitz's status?
Damn you Fort Schembechler!
If only there were a way to search for information on the internet...I bet someone could make some money if they could make that a reality. Oh well...I guess we are stuck typing random website addresses into our computers and asking other people on message boards when we have questions.
He might redshirt next year.
It was just a boo-boo! He'll be back.
I broke my tibia and fibia right above my ankle in highschool. I had minor surgery to fix a growth plate but I was back to normal in about 3 months. As long as there is no ligament damage he will be fine. He will obviously have to rehab to get the strength back, but its not like an acl injury. Once the bones are healed it's pretty much back to normal.
I broke my fibula right after college (it was like the day after finals) along with having a major dislocation on my ankle (all my ligaments snapped); after surgery they had me walking in a boot within 2-3 weeks and from there it was primarily regaining my strength. The major issue was the in the course of the month that I was off my feet I ended up losing almost all the muscle mass in my leg. The joint is a little messed up, but it's fully functional. By the look of it Fitz's injury was similar and I'm guessing he'll have the same kind of recuperation time.
You're the space above a house that stores drugs?
Hokespeak for severity of injuries:
Grade 1: He's fine
Grade 2: It's a boo boo
Grade 3: He's working through some things and stuff
The finest journalistic minds have been unable to quantify Hoke's injury chart, and here we have it, in concise fashion!
Sure, someone who broke their ankle once isn't a doctor. Any post guessing a timeframe is going to be speculation. But if you're upset about speculation then you might not enjoy any recruiting posts or game previews either.
Knowing an injury is a fracture or tear does give some insight on time, even to us laypersons. Could it be wrong? Sure. Sometimes a 5-star turns out to suck, too. None of it matters til it actually happens, but people speculate. Sports.
Edit: person I replied to disappeared, and I look crazy. Pretend I put a picture of a cat here instead!
LOL, your demeanor and screen name make me nervous. There are some drugs your PCP can prescribe that might help before you get too steamed up.
as american citizens our personal medical information is protected. rightly, universities and professional leagues are limited in having access to this information and and to releasing information.