But if he doesn't flip, it's not a committable offer.
It looks as if Ohio has offered Mike McCray
that shit cray
I just wanna know what he ordered..
Sources are reporting that it may have been fish fillet.
Can you BKFinest that?
It has been rumored that he plays sports with such a ferocious intensity that others are inclined to levy a fee against him, but in order to do that they must first locate him. What is a large sum of money to a player like him—it is pertinent that someone remind him.
I'm not worried. The staff knows how to recruit and retain the people they want to keep.
He seems solid to Michigan. But this is similar to when people said we could offer the DT from Cass Tech late and maybe change him. Just because you were a childhood favorite doesn't mean it doesn't piss these kids off when you offer late. I think even if Michigan offered that DT he'd stay committed to Illinois, just like I think McCray will stick with Michigan (though said DT has said he is still taking visits, which is odd). Thankfully Urban pissed off a really good player and Michigan was able to land him. Thanks Urbs!
Dennis Norfleet should have been really pissed then. We couldn't have waitied any longer to offer him.
But it's know far from a sure thing. In fact, it's less likely that a recruit flips, IMO, than stay with the team they are currently committed to.
I also want to point out that I think Michigan made the right move as far as offers to DTs. They are in on some really good ones, I was just using it as an example.
i agree with you for the most part. However, teams like Texas, Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and USC have a special bond with kids and young players of their fan base. More so than other fanbases. I think schools like these have a much easier time swooping in late on guys that were fans of theirs growing up.
I think he wil stay blue but this will make it a long time to signing day.
Norfleet is a little different because he got a late offer not just from Michigan, but from a Big Ten school... he jumped at the chance to play a higher level of football.
Plus, I have to think the coaches had a pretty straight conversation with McCray when he commited about what would happen when Meyer got down on his knees and started begging him to come back to ohio... not entirely unexpected.
Norfleet wasn't a Michigan vs. OSU, Power vs. Power late offer. He was a Mac vs B1G late offer. it's different
Norfleet was committed to Cincinnati before signing with Michigan. Granted the Big East could just as easily be the Big Mac when it comes to football.
I believe he had an MSU offer too and had chosen Cincy over MSU.
I believe he had an MSU offer too and had chosen Cincy over MSU.
They got the Big Mac; we got the Big Mic. Our buns have no seeds.
the Golden Arches and mine gots the Golden Arcs!!!
what they did to that dog.
I'm starting to panic, as this is the second tangeant in this thread that went completely over my head. I can actually start to track myself turning from one of the hip youngsters to someone who uses the word youngsters in a sentence.
I just wanted to thank you for posting that and making me realize that I am not alone.
Dennis Norfleet is very different because Michigan didn't very publicly recruit four or five 5'9" scat backs before settling on Norfleet. Norfleet was a luxury that Michigan could afford once offers at other positions fell through.
Mike McCray has fairly obviously been relegated to Meyer's fourth or fifth choice at linebacker, and he certainly deserved better.
I believe this will be hard for McCray, but I think in the end Meyer offered too late.
There are still x months to signing day. Even if he is dark blue he may become other colors.
Relax. Look at Dawson. I am sure coaching staff will be happy to keep showing McCray that he made the right decision to commit to Michigan.
He sent out two consecutive tweets this morning: "I'm not going anywhere" and "#GOBLUE". This probably has a lot to do with the Anzalone situation and he doesn't want to be anyone's backup plan, so I'm very happy that we have him.
Especially after losing Anzalone. Meh.
Must admit, hearing this made me feel a little guilty about being so happy that Anzalone decommited... just a little.
No need to feel guilty, just glee.
McCray is really going to sting the Buckeyes when he's wearing a winged helmet.
Maybe one of the good thingS that Sam Webb was hinting at for the month of June will be McCray telling Meyer to stick his offer up his Circle of Trust.
Yet if your guess is right then I have to ask Sam to change his "couple of very very very good things" to "three very very very good things."
This is what it comes down to. Early offer and a few developed friendships and a grown liking of the Michigan program and fanbase to a childhood best friend and pressure from a relentless stalking coach of Urban Meyer.
This scares me a little but not too much. I think Cam Burrows will work him pretty hard.
His dad's reaction to the late offer probably also matters significantly. Pleased that his son has the opportunity to follow in his footsteps at OSU or PO'd that Urbz didn't offer the highly touted son of a former Buckeye captain?
We've searched far and wide for linebackers that we like better than you, offering a dozen of them, despite the fact that you're from Ohio, the son of a former Buckeye, and a lifelong OSU fan. We thought we had one, but he and his dad got all pissy when he let him loose with a local pedophile during his visit. Since we're not sure that we can get him back - or anyone else better than you - we figured that you're an acceptable last resort.
P.S. Happy Easter !!
Months ago: "You want an offer Mike? I'll get right on it."
If fathers ruled everything, the Buckeyes would never have gotten a Heuerman.
I'm not particularly concerned about McCray, but I will say that between the 2012 class, the other guys we've offered for 2013, and the guys from Cass Tech (along with the rest of the 2014 class), I don't think the loss of McCray would be too damaging if it were to happen. There's enough depth and there are enough prospects to fill the void.
A valid point, but what about the emotional effect that losing a guy to Ohio that was committed to us for several months and who we had offered nearly 6 months earlier? It's upsetting, haha. Also, I thought you weren't too bullish on the 2014 Cass LB's?
We got Kalis, so s*** happens...
I'm not a huge fan of the 2014 linebackers from Cass Tech (although I like Deon Drake most), but they still might be options for Michigan if the coaches want them.
Jeez, The kid is Blue through and through, let it be
Twitter has several responses from McCray, and they are all positive for Michigan. Shane Morris twitpic'd a conversation he had with McCray, and while I won't post it (because, well, that's creepy), I wouldn't worry.
You might think about posting it over on 11warriors before someone slips in all the drool and hurts themselves.
EDIT: Someone already did... love it.
I love the way he put that:
"Team134 ain't ever goin split up"
I believe it, more than probably any class we've recruited. This group is tight, talented, and ready to fight along side each other. Wow, I'm excited to see this class grow through their 4/5 seasons in AA.
Though at best we can only speculate about what exactly that interesting arrangement of words truly means
Glad to see McCray sticking with the Maize and Blue, but the offer raises this question does that mean Anzalone is no longer an option for tsiO?
That ship pretty much sailed as soon as Anzalone decommitted...
This is too funny from Shane.
That is some major bro love right there. Glad to see McCray isn't swayed by Ohio's offer.
That's cute. Thanks for posting it you creepy bastard.
I said it before McCray ever even committed, but I will believe McCray puts on the winged helmet when I see him in it in the fall of '13. No disrespect to him, but he's going to have ALOT of pressure to go to Ohio. I hope he stays blue.
just yesterday, McCray was too slow, and not elite enough for Meyer. Now Buckeye fans are flipping so quick, you worry about them getting whiplash.
Read the boards on 11w and see that we're not all so excited about this offer. With the young talent in the current LB corps including the two top recruits from 2012, I'd be more comfortable with taking two or three of out of next year's class, considering there are three top 100 guys from OH, Garrett, who is an OSU fan, and Raekwon McMillan who seems to inexplicably love OSU this early in the process. There's a reason McCray didn't get an offer to begin with, UM and OSU are looking for different types of LBs, and I'd rather hold off than take an afterthought.
I don't care about how he is as a player, I'm no scout or talent evaluator. I just want him to stay so I can reference the McCrayken for the next 4-5 years.
Good for Mike. Urban really screwed up by not giving him an offer earlier, even if it would have been a non-commitable one. I think this makes Meyer look bad (or worse, since I'm speaking to a bunch of fellow UM fans) and puts a dent in the whole "he's the best recruiter in the nation and can get whoever he wants" delusion that Ohio fans have, assuming McCray doesn't flip. Urban Meyer seems to me like a guy who has more pride than to offer a guy he was pretty certain he didn't want not too long ago and is committed to his #1 rival, which tells me he's running out of options at that position. I'm looking forward to some shadenfreude in the near future.
Is violating the gentlemen's agreement a primary or secondary violation
They're not sure yet.
Was the exact response I was looking for
I'd think that Mr. McCray is none too enthused about the long term absence of an offer for his legacy son. Boren situation in reverse.
Boren situation in reverse
Wait... so the McCrays put snow in peoples' driveways?
It's a forty-seventherary violation.
Has there been any word on whether the staff is recruitng Anzalone after the Levenberry announcement? Or, if he reached out to M after Creep-Gate?
Nothing happening on that front. There was no backup plan to Levenberry. The staff wanted to take 2 linebackers going into the recruiting class so when McCray committed and it became readily apparent that Gedeon would as well, that essentially left Levenberry for a best available spot instead of a linebacker spot. Since he didn't commit, that spot is still open for the best available but at this point they seem more focused on filling that with a defensive back or defensive lineman.
ooop... delete. Answered the wrong question.
The coaches told Anzalone that they were no longer in need of linebackers. It was Levenberry or bust. Things went bust. They appear to be happy with the linebackers they have.
Yeah, that's what I assumed, but I wonder if they feel shaky at all about McCray or if he indeed has a change of heart would they create a Plan B with a previous recruited LB. Not so much now, but early in the process I actually thought Anzalone was slighter better than Gedeon and McCray.
What changed your mind?
They chose Michigan.
Probably just updated rankings and reading changed my belief Anzalone was better. There seemed be more hype on Anzalone early on. Gedeon highlights were mostly offense, and McCray just seems very rough - almost a reach.
But, Gedoen has that high character-nose for the ball- Posluszny appeal and I think he'll be very good. And, McCray does have speed, size, and upside; so with coaching I suppose he's a good balance of throwback guys and athletes in our LB corps.
Maybe they're waiting to send a mass message on their new ipads
It looks like there are already 30+ offers out to sophmores now, which at least seems crazy. Not allowing for development by players into their senior years it just seems like if you do not get in early, it is somehow a sign of disrespect with the kids being recruited today. It seems like it used to be at a minimum kids needed to get to a camp before their senior years....now it is looking like before their sophmore & junior years.....a significant amount of growth and change happens in those years, not to mention the first year/two of college.
I think the only concern I would have with McCray would be if his father had a change in his stance regarding OSU, as I would guess that would be more influential than anyone else. Other than that, unless the wheels fall off in Ann Arbor this fall, I sounds like he is pretty solid.
Does Urban Meyer not know the #1 general rule of recruiting? You always recruit your home state first, it's like going for an open layup...why would you not take that? Well once your an idiot...you're always an idiot. Smh, some things just dont chage. But I am glad McCray doesn't deal with disrepect, way to go young man! Can't wait to see you wear that maize and blue bro.
That shit CRAY!
once you're an idiot*
You had it right the second time. :)
Nazi on the prowl
You can tell a lot about a man's intellect by how easily they get distracted. Grammar Nazi's get easily distracted.
Not to be a Grammar Nazi, but I believe the plural of Grammar Nazi is Grammar Nazis. Grammar Nazi's implies ownership (the possessive form) by a Grammar Nazi rather than multiple Grammar Nazis (the plural form).
I'm happy for Mike that he got the offer. Whether he flips or not, he's a great player. Honestly, I think this offer has more to do with Jaylon Smith looking like a ND commit than Anzalone. I think this will go one of two ways: either McCray will shoot it down immediately and firmly or you'll see him start to make occasional visits and commit to OSU 4-5 months down the road. He will face a ton of pressure to stay home and play with Burrows. Also, continuing dad's legacy will be very attractive. I honestly couldn't make a guess right now on which way he'll go.
Wasn't that basically the same thing Kalis said a week before he flipped? Just sayin
Kalis didn't say much. And then he visited Michigan. And then a couple of weeks passed. And THEN he flipped.
Bottom line: there was a whole bunch of smoke before Kalis lit the Buckeye Interwebs on fire. The only smoke here is hypothetical.
There was also a scandal with a coach the possibilites of a bowl ban and other sanctions. If that stuff happens at Michigan, then Kalis would be a valid comparison. But I hate when people bring up Kalis when discussing decommitments. There were extenuating circumstances there.
Do you really think the Kalis and McCray situations are similar?