The issue of respect

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October 16th, 2011 at 12:16 AM
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Wendyk5
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The issue of respect

As I comb through all the msm stories about today's game, the majority of them seem to be about respect. Michigan State wants respect. And they seem to want our respect. They want us to acknowledge them and the game we play against them every year. They wanted to make a statement today with their physical play because, dang, why doesn't anyone respect us??

The funny thing is, they don't seem to care about the rest of the Big Ten. They're sick and tired of not getting our respect. So now they've won four years in a row, and STILL, this respect thing. Why is winning not enough? Why the huge need to make a a big, physical, over-the-top statement that may or may not hospitalize our players? Why is winning not enough? 

Respect will not come this way, Michigan State. Respect is earned, and never forced. I have never respected anyone who tried to force it on me, and neither have you. Maybe we're different than most, but Michigan fans respect sportsmanship. Competitiveness with good will. Winning and losing with grace. And we respect the rules, we really do. 

So if it's our respect you want, try some of those things. It just might work next time. 

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October 16th, 2011 at 12:19 AM | You hit the nail on the head. (Score:5 Normal)
almostkorean
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You hit the nail on the head.  This sums up my thoughts exactly

October 16th, 2011 at 8:21 AM | I disagree. During the last 5 years (Score:0 Flamebait)
October 16th, 2011 at 12:22 AM | Couldnt agree more... but (Score:5 Normal)
flysociety3
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Couldnt agree more... but sadly, I think the entire culture of East Lansing... the coaches, players, fans, students contribute to the problem... classless all the way around

October 16th, 2011 at 12:59 AM | agree it's a mini Columbus (Score:5 Normal)
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agree it's a mini Columbus

903 wins most in college football

October 16th, 2011 at 1:01 AM | Sparties (Score:5 Normal)
Messenger Puppet
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poop in coolers?

October 16th, 2011 at 1:07 AM | Sparties poop in (Score:5 Normal)
jpepper23
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Sparties poop in mini-coolers.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

October 16th, 2011 at 1:32 AM | Not safe for work.. (Score:2 Informative)
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http://www.collegehumor.com/picture/42249

On the fifth night—possibly the sixth—a breeze arose.
It was cool and dewy.

October 16th, 2011 at 9:03 AM | They pee in coolers.  They're (Score:3 Normal)
M-Dog
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They pee in coolers.  They're not consistently good enough to poop in coolers.

M'Dog

October 16th, 2011 at 12:24 AM | Read this... (Score:5 Normal)
Genzilla
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"Michigan State defensive coordinator Pat Narduzzi couldn't get too mad about the six 15-yard penalties called on the Spartans for some form of unnecessary roughness Saturday. 'That's what we try to do,' Narduzzi said after Michigan State's 28-14 win against Michigan. 'Sixty minutes of unnecessary roughness. I'm just happy it didn't get called on every snap.'"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/10/15/michigan.state.michigan/index.html#ixzz1auaOJMer

October 16th, 2011 at 12:28 AM | Yeah, that's bizzare. I don't (Score:5 Normal)
Newk
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Yeah, that's bizzare. I don't know what the hell he means.

It's clear that Dantonio has whipped that entire program into foaming-at-the mouth hatred for Michigan ... which seems to be pretty effective. Perhaps it demands respect, but not admiration.

c/o '02

October 16th, 2011 at 12:31 AM | When I see Dantonio, I see an (Score:5 Normal)
Wendyk5
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When I see Dantonio, I see an angry, empty man. 

October 16th, 2011 at 1:30 AM | You're too nice (Score:3 Normal)
Tagg
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I don't see anything that redeeming about him.

October 16th, 2011 at 1:48 AM | Dantonio is that helicopter (Score:4 Normal)
mgoblue0970
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Dantonio is that helicopter parent who gets tossed from the sidelines of an U9 soccer game for cussing the kids.

October 16th, 2011 at 12:42 AM | They do that because they know UM won't hit back. (Score:1 Normal)
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It is up to UM to respond. Michigan needs to hit back legally. MSU several times went over the line and they rightfully should be condemned. But Michigan State is winning because they are the more physical team. I have no problems with Narduzzi's strategy, but the methods. Punching is beyond the pale.

"The Ruhr will not be subjected to a single bomb. If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Hermann Göring: you can call me Urban Meyer!"

October 16th, 2011 at 8:24 AM | completely agree (Score:-1 Normal)
October 16th, 2011 at 11:24 AM | How do you respond to that (Score:0 Redundant)
October 16th, 2011 at 11:24 AM | How do you respond to that (Score:-1 Redundant)
October 16th, 2011 at 12:08 PM | Yes, State beat us over the (Score:2)
M-Dog
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Yes, State beat us over the last 4 years because they were the tougher, more physical team.  Good thing we hired a coach that emphasizes physical toughness.  

Huh, what, . . . you mean there are some of us who have been complaining about that?

 

M'Dog

October 16th, 2011 at 12:27 AM | I just hope the B1G catches (Score:5 Normal)
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I just hope the B1G catches onto this... or I least hope that people are well aware of how that program operates.... our Dance Team and Marching Band gets spit on, flicked off, and cussed out by football players? hahaha what a joke.

October 16th, 2011 at 2:07 AM | FWIW, I've had both an Iowa (Score:5 Normal)
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FWIW, I've had both an Iowa fan and a Wisconsin fan reach out today to tell me that they were disgusted by MSU.

October 16th, 2011 at 3:05 AM | Yeah (Score:4 Normal)
blackgandhi
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I've had random people in LA approach me in my UM gear today and do the same.

GO BLUE! MClub supports you.

October 16th, 2011 at 12:27 AM | You know what program I respect the more than State? (Score:5 Normal)
Bryan
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Minnesota. They're terrible in every way and might be one of the worst teams ever. But you know what? They lose with class. No cheap shots, no punching or twisting of the neck. They might not win anothe game this season, but with every one of those losses comes more of my respect.

I have a Fandom Endurance III merit badge

October 16th, 2011 at 12:34 AM | They have it on certain (Score:1)
NateVolk
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They have it on certain levels. Not on others though. In some areas they lost respect today.This is ultimately going to be great for the Michigan program. They do a lot of things on the field that are good too. We'll need to continue to grow and develop for next year. 

I really have a lot of confidence we will.

"because character wins in life and character wins on the football field....."  1-11-11

October 16th, 2011 at 12:34 AM | To get that respect MSU needs to beat (Score:4 Normal)
AMazinBlue
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some decent teams outside of the the B1G.  Winning 10-11 games in the conference and then getting beaten by 40 in a bowl game doesn't help.

The cheap shot crap they pulled today aside, I respect the victory they got today.  They outplayed Michigan on both sides of the ball.  But I don't respect the program because of the way they go about things.  they always have this huge chip on their shoulders and seem to have this "hey, look at me" thing going on.

I thought their unis looks ridiculous and the cheap shots were juvenille.  ESPN won't show any of the cheap shots on SC and it will all go unnoticed.  What is going to get noticed is the four in a row and that each time Michigan starts out undefeated it's Sparty that starts the slide.  To stop that Michigan needs to come out in two weeks and destroy Purdue and then destroy Illinois the following week.  If Purdue is the only other victory Michigan gets this season, the perception will be that nothing has changed in AA.

Sparty will get beat down by Wisconsin and then get beaten by them again in the Championship game and go to the Cap One Bowl.

What the mind can conceive and believe, the mind can achieve and...Those Who Stay WILL Be Champions.

October 16th, 2011 at 1:46 AM | I only hope Boise State can (Score:1)
mgoblue0970
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I only hope Boise State can keep it up at least until they meet Moo U.  

October 16th, 2011 at 3:03 AM | That's the point (Score:2)
blackgandhi
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It's always about US for them. When Michigan wins, we celebrate Michigan's win. When they beat us, they celebrate our loss. SC making the game about UM doesnt exacerbate the issue for MSU because they seem to care about the Michigan program, and its perception in relation, compared to just being MSU.

GO BLUE! MClub supports you.

October 16th, 2011 at 11:06 AM | Also on SC it's not going to (Score:1)
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Also on SC it's not going to be about MSU winning. More focus will be put on Michigan and "what's next for the Wolverines, can they bounce back and prevent a slide?"

If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?

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October 16th, 2011 at 12:47 AM | It's kind of sad in a way. To (Score:2 Normal)
UMgradMSUdad
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It's kind of sad in a way. To them, the game with us seems to be the one and only regular season game they point to all year.  It really seems like a spoiled little brother throwing a tantrum because he's jealous of his big brother's successes. A tip for MSU, though, raging against Michigan won't make your inferiority complex go away. 

 

October 16th, 2011 at 1:30 PM | Yeah, they care more. That's (Score:1)
Run 2 Daylight
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Yeah, they care more. That's vindicating for Michigan football. It's okay that we got bullied up and down the field because they cared more. That's something to take solace in.

/s

Go Blue!

October 16th, 2011 at 12:48 AM | Most of what you are seeing (Score:5 Normal)
SysMark
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Most of what you are seeing comes from their coach.  He may put on a nice, classy public face but when it comes to Michigan he is a fanatical low-life.

October 16th, 2011 at 12:51 AM | Win at all costs? Win at all costs. (Score:5 Normal)
BlueDragon
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You, your team, and your coach are despicable.  For a person who doesn't care about platitudes, why do you keep posting?

Abort, Retry, Fail?

October 16th, 2011 at 12:52 AM | That you're here, trolling (Score:5 Normal)
Wendyk5
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That you're here, trolling our boards merely proves my point. Why isn't winning enough for you? When we win, I don't troll the losing teams boards. I don't need to. We've just won, and the story is over. 

October 16th, 2011 at 1:04 AM | lol? (Score:2 Normal)
BlueDragon
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At least we're not slimeballs with neurotic complexes!  Also, shouldn't you get some sleep?  Or meet up with your friends?

Abort, Retry, Fail?

October 16th, 2011 at 1:06 AM | Historically, UM is superior. (Score:-1 Flamebait)
October 16th, 2011 at 1:10 AM | WTF is "dap"? (Score:3 Normal)
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October 16th, 2011 at 1:13 AM | Sorry, it means credit or kudos. (Score:0 Flamebait)
October 16th, 2011 at 1:06 AM | You remind me of the Grinch. (Score:5 Normal)
Wendyk5
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You remind me of the Grinch. The Grinch tries to steal Christmas from Whoville, but when he wakes up in the morning and sees the Who's rejoicing, even though all their presents and cherished material possessions have been taken, he is stunned. He doesn't understand that for the Who's, Christmas is about more than the presents. For you, winning is the only endgame no matter how you get there. But for us, it matters how we get there. That's the difference between us. And I'm not trying to be flip or arrogant. We hate losing as much as you do, but if we won by playing dirty, we wouldn't rest easy like you and your coaches do. 

October 16th, 2011 at 1:11 AM | We're no more or less (Score:5 Normal)
Newk
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We're no more or less superior than we were yesterday. The infuriating thing about Sparty is that they just EXPECT that a) Mich fans/alums think they're better and b) that MUST change because of the result of a football game.

Attention everyone: we are all just as decent (or despicable) as we were yesterday. Michigan is still a great institution, it's great to be a Wolverine.

Is it great to be a Spartan? I don't know, I don't know anything about that. But if it is, it shouldn't hinge on one game.

/end rant

c/o '02

October 16th, 2011 at 1:11 AM | Well of course we're superior (Score:3 Normal)
M-Wolverine
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You went to MSU, you have the IQ of a donut.

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October 16th, 2011 at 1:18 AM | Comma splice (Score:1)
Humen
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I just want to see grammar :(

Thanks Thorin/Mgovideo for avatar

 

 
October 16th, 2011 at 1:21 AM | You need a period after grammar. (Score:3 Normal)
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Signed, Constable Grammar.

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October 16th, 2011 at 1:13 AM | What?? (Score:2)
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When has anyone here made any kind of prediction like that? Where are you drawing your conclusions from? Even Brian predicted an MSU win in the preview. Michigan State has been better than us in each other last four years. We all understand that, there's no reason to rub it in. It only makes yourself look bad.

I don't understand how people can call Michigan fans arrogant while being so blatantly arrogant themselves.

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October 16th, 2011 at 1:41 AM | Moo U. is the Jersey Shore of college football. (Score:1)
mgoblue0970
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You still don't get it... Yes, Sparty won today.  We all saw it.  Congrats.  4 in a row.

But as long as Moo U. continues to think the way to build themselves up is by tearing others down, Moo U., will never truly get the recognition it craves.  

 

> the one day a year where you can't delude yourselves into

> believing you're superior

Poor misguided Sparty.  Do you really think that anyone in AA gives a shit what you think?  Michigan is one of the top universities in the nation.  Moo U. aint.  Michigan isn't arrogant.  We're just better. Get over it.  I have a ton of sprit and pride in my school, the degrees I earned, and all the hard work and sacrifice I put in to get where I am.  If you think this one day a year is going to change that, then you're a fucking moron.

Moo U. is the Jersey Shore of college football.

October 16th, 2011 at 1:42 PM | Why are you insulting MSU for (Score:0 Trolling)
October 16th, 2011 at 3:02 AM | You know that you and your little green team (Score:4 Normal)
uminks
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will once again become that easy win on our way to multiple b10 championships. But at least when Michigan starts beating you on the field again we won't literally beat on your players!

Anyways, I'm a Michigan fan for life. The only team I respect is my own team! Win or lose I will always be a wolverine fan!

expect the best

October 16th, 2011 at 1:03 AM | You really need to look at words rationalize and excuse.. (Score:5 Normal)
SalvatoreQuattro
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because you obviously have no clue they mean. Nothing in her post was rationalizing or making excuses for what happened today. Rather, she is criticizing the manner in which your team performed. MSU won fair and square. The extracurricular stuff was not the reason you won. But that is what makes it disappointing. Such poor behavior in an otherwise laudable effort does tarnish it in some people's eyes.



MSU has who four straight. Congrats. But MSU is still a regional program. It has never been to a BCS bowl and won only ten games twice in 40 years. MSU has exactly two BTT's in 20 years.MSU has not beaten a good OOC opponent not named "Notre Dame" since the 00' Citrus Bowl. MSU is again being out recruited by Mchigan except this time the coach is a guy who has as many national title rings as Dantonio and who understands that physicality is required to win in the BIg Ten.



MSU was the better team this year. That is why everyone picked MSU to win. But you should know that things can turn quickly on a rivalry. After all it was 4 years ago that MSU won for the first time in 7 years. Pride comes before the fall, Sparty.

"The Ruhr will not be subjected to a single bomb. If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Hermann Göring: you can call me Urban Meyer!"

October 16th, 2011 at 2:53 AM | yeah, you won (Score:3 Normal)
snowcrash
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You played better than we did and deserved to win based on what happened before the whistle. But if I were an MSU fan I would not show up on any other team's board talking trash because I would be too embarrassed by that display of thuggery the team put on today. You have a thug coach who runs a thug program, and no one respects a thug.

October 16th, 2011 at 12:49 AM | I said almost the same thing earlier (Score:2 Normal)
Michichick
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about Sparty wanting respect. They scream about wanting respect, but do nothing to earn it. We can acknowledge that they played a better game today, but no one respects them for what they did because of how they did it.

On that score, Dantonio has clearly demonstrated that he doesn't respect the game of college football, or even his own players, if he tells them that the way to win is to physically hurt the opposition. The players only emulate what they see at the top of their program. No respect given, no respect earned.

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October 16th, 2011 at 12:58 AM | "sweep the leg" (Score:5 Normal)
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October 16th, 2011 at 9:59 AM | Remove and replace! (Score:1)
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One of our talented contributors should put the Dantonio mug on this guy!

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