Interesting note on Michigan/MSU

Submitted by RadioSimon1983 on

MSU has won 4 in a row.  That makes them 12-30 in the last 42 matchups against Michigan.  Suckers.

Soulfire21

October 16th, 2011 at 1:03 PM ^

... But it's kind of true.

I mean, before the season started, this was an auto-loss in my book... the fact that we showed enough promise to compete means that there was a small victory there.  There is that whole nagging "No UM coach has beaten MSU their first try since 1948" meme that will continue, but Hoke will right the ship, there's no reason (yet) to think he won't.

Still, sucks losing.  It really sucks.

NateVolk

October 16th, 2011 at 10:16 AM ^

The thing now is managing the ribbing from their fans for another year. Otherwise, the hard part is how it effects the division race. We'll need some help.   

Watching the way we've improved this year in all phases and how we had a real chance to make it interesting against a quality team yesterday, has taken away concern about the rivalry  turning against Michigan (to where we go 12-30 against them).  The recruiting concern ended about April.

The whole thing gives the MSM angles to draw Michigan fans into more page views and call-ins to radio programs. It all starts with the hilarious picture they paint of some sort of long-term mediocrity. If you fall for that, seek therapy.

 

AMazinBlue

October 16th, 2011 at 10:18 AM ^

prove you are superior is weak.  Face the facts, they are better than we are right now.  They were the better team on the field yesterday and have been the last four years.  We have some ctaching up to do.  That's another reason why the little brother is so stupid at this point.  We are pointing at history and they are pointing at today.  In the grand scheme of things, all anyone else sees is right now and right now MSU is better.

Red is Blue

October 16th, 2011 at 11:15 AM ^

 

Taking slices of time or stats to prove you are superior is weak.

followed by:

they've been better for the last four years

How is that not an arbitrary slice of time?  Followed by:

We are pointing at history and they are pointing at today.

Apparently "today" stretches back 4 years and "history" is prior to that?

 

 

Ernis

October 16th, 2011 at 12:55 PM ^

Like Spartan fans, goldfish have short memories.

Yesterday is history. Whenever people accuse us of "living in the past" ... Well, uhhhhhhh, all we have are stats (=the past) or projections (=not the past). There is no gray area. Reveling over the game yesterday is "living in the past." The difference is some have better memories than others.

Shoelaces_Pfft

October 16th, 2011 at 10:24 AM ^

This is not the same team from last year. Our defense has drastically improved. And I still believe our offense can score on anyone, and not just in garbage time. We're 6-1 with the bowl monkey off our back. Go Bluue!

bronxblue

October 16th, 2011 at 10:25 AM ^

UM won something like 8 of 9 before this run (and that one win was clockgate).  That was unsustainable, just like losing 4 straight doesn't prove anything about the long-term abilities of both squads.  In fact, I like that MSU has finally made this a rivalry - it was getting pretty sad there during the 90s and early 00s.  Right now, UM still has a chance at 9-10 wins with some breaks, and that would be huge.  MSU now has to play Wiscy and Nebraska, and after this week's over-preparation should be ripe for a butt-whipping at any angry Badger team (the only regular season loss they had last year).  So yeah, this loss stings, but the season is far from over.  And next year should be interesting with a home game and a senior Denard at the helm.

jmblue

October 16th, 2011 at 10:39 AM ^

In fact, I like that MSU has finally made this a rivalry - it was getting pretty sad there during the 90s and early 00s.
I don't believe you for a minute. The last thing we need is a bunch of 50-50 rivalry games. That's not conducive to being a national power. With Nebraska, OSU and ND on our schedule every year, I'm all for Sparty being crappy. (Besides, it wasn't nearly as lopsided then as you make it out to be. From 1990-2001, our advantage was just 7-5. Then we won six straight, but two were in OT and another required us to come back from a 10-point deficit in the fourth quarter.)

Wendyk5

October 16th, 2011 at 10:32 AM ^

I still am not concerned about this whole "They beat us the past four years!!!" hysteria. The last three years, we've been atrocious (at least according to our standards), and to think we could change all that in one year is not realistic. They seem to get a lot more satisfaction out of these wins than I get disappointment. 

I think they have a good team, skill-wise, and a coach who can coach D so it makes sense that they won. 

 

I think we have some issues that still need to be figured out, so it makes sense that we lost. 

 

But this whole "owning" thing is silly. There's so much more to our rivalry than football. It may be played out on the football field and basketball court, but we all know it's about people's perceptions of the two schools, money the schools get, top ten lists (I've never seen MSU on one of those, have you?). 

They beat us in football this year. Enjoy the win. 

Red is Blue

October 16th, 2011 at 12:17 PM ^

For some reason, my dad is a huge Browns fan.  There were some streaks in that rivalry in the past (Browns owned up to the 70s, Steeler dominated in the 70s, Browns again in the 80s (albeit a little more even)) So, when the Steelers won a few in a row starting in the mid-90s, I can remember him saying, the Steelers could win 16,15, 14, 13 .... in a row and it the all time series would still only be tied.  Since '94 it is 26-4 Steelers and the Steelers now have the overall series lead.  Obviously, there are some difference in that they play at least 2x year (maybe even 3x if they meet in the playoffs), and I certainly don't expect MSU to approximate the Steelers success or M to flail around like the Browns, but, all time series leads of these magnitudes can be lost.

Cool story, huh?

Red is Blue

October 16th, 2011 at 12:53 PM ^

Maybe it was too far into the post for your attention span, but that is the type of thing I meant when I said, "Obviously there are some differences."  Sure, there were extenuating circumstances, but there could also be extenuating circumstances in the M-MSU rivalry as well.  My general point is -- past performance is not an indication of future results. 

True Blue Grit

October 16th, 2011 at 12:58 PM ^

3 years ago.  Part of that price has been losing to Sparty for 4 years.  We can't change what's happened.  Just look forward to better days when we've re-stocked our talent and fully converted over to a pro-style offense.  In the meantime, I'll have no problem coming back at any Spartan fan with "well at least whether we win or lose, we do it with class - unlike your team".