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Interesting Brady/Henson at UM article in this week's SI

Yes, I apologize that this is written by the infamous Michael Rosenberg, but this week's Sports Illustrated features a pretty good piece on Tom Brady's time in Ann Arbor and his competition with Drew Henson, back when the expectations for him were sky high at the turn of the millenium. At the very least, an interesting retrospective into the minds of Lloyd Carr, the Brady family and the Michigan fanbase. I'm curious what others think about it.

 

edit: I follow this blog daily and read Three and Out as well, I understand and sympathize with the strong feelings many of you have toward MR, just thought this article may be interesting to some...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1193473/index...

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January 9th, 2012 at 4:01 PM | Although it is extreamly (Score:4 Normal)
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Although it is extreamly tempting, I have to resist any article written by Michael Rosenberg.  I hate to give the guy a click to any thread of his.

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January 9th, 2012 at 4:03 PM | Agreed (Score:2 Normal)
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I almost clicked on a Michael Weinreb article today but decided against it after his Michigan Sugar Bowl slam piece.

Whatcha gonna do, little brother?

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January 9th, 2012 at 4:03 PM | Out of principle (Score:5 Normal)
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I will never read anything Rosenberg writes.   Dude epitomizes asshat.

1901: UM outscored opponents 550-0.  In the first ever Rose Bowl, UM was up 49-0 in 3Q when Stan forefited.   Until 1918, Pasadena staged ostrich races instead of football because of the blowout.

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January 9th, 2012 at 4:08 PM | Agree (Score:3 Normal)
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Show solidarity mr brothers. Fight the urge to read his articles. Remember it might be interesting but it might just be interesting fiction. Not worth your time.

"Mr. Potato Head! Mr. Potato Head! Backdoors are not secrets!"

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January 9th, 2012 at 5:32 PM | And sisters (Score:2 Normal)
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No click

Mom, MGrad and life long fan living in So Cal

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January 9th, 2012 at 4:10 PM | You posted an article by he who shall not be named! (Score:5 Normal)
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Section 1 in 3...2....1.....

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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January 9th, 2012 at 4:53 PM | It's funny... (Score:4 Normal)
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A "Rosenberg boycott" was never my idea, but I certainly understand it and respect it.  I do like the fact that so many people have such strong feelings, that a boycott is something that they'd consider.

I didn't read this one, and I probably won't read it, and unless I do, I won't comment on it.

So there you go; how's that for a wild-eyed rant?

I have but one single meta-comment, and that is that Rosenberg (and Snyder) appear to have been reduced to pool-reporter status to a great extent.  They aren't getting any interviews, it seems, with Brandon, or Hoke, or Red, or any of the football players.  If they are, it isn't apparent to me.  So that's good.  It would be hard to expect an "interview boycott" to stand up, but I sure would like to encourage all of Michigan's current and former players to never give Rosenberg the time of day, ever again.  Depriving Rosenberg of reader-clicks is worthwhile.  Depriving Rosenberg of his life-blood -- access to athletes -- would be even better.

 

 

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January 9th, 2012 at 4:10 PM | Thanks (Score:5 Normal)
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but no thanks. I will never read anything written by that douchebag. Not knowingly at least.

Fuck Rosenberg.  Fuck Snyder. Forever.

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January 9th, 2012 at 4:15 PM | My (Score:2 Normal)
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Dad gave me the copy of SI to read. The only thing I took away from that article was that I would hate to be Henson. Srsly, your dad told Carr if they signed him they couldn't take a quarterback in the class ahead of him? Total control nazi

So hot.  Milk was a bad choice.

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January 9th, 2012 at 4:36 PM | It's amazing with wacky dad (Score:1)
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Bad advisors, shakey decisions and overall ego crushing sports failure, that Henson still seems to be a pretty nice dude. People hated when and how he chose to leave Michigan (timing even more than year, and not a good decision to begin with), but he seems to have accepted it all and holds no (outward at least) bitterness. And still seems to support the program. He's ok with me.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

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January 9th, 2012 at 4:31 PM | Not reading it (Score:3 Normal)
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For me, there is no such thing as a "interesting" article written by Rosenberg.  Also, considering Rosenberg's documented abuse of his position concerning Michigan, his bossses at SI should be intelligent enough and ethical enough to tell Rosenberg that he will not be allowed to write about Michigan due to a conflict of interest.

Thanks for the warning, though.  I would hate to give him an accidental click.

 

 

 

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January 9th, 2012 at 4:32 PM | I'm not clicking the article, (Score:3 Normal)
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I'm not clicking the article, but I'll go to my grave saying UM would have won a national title if it weren't for Carr's mishandling of the Henson/Brady situation. 

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Screw Lance.

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January 9th, 2012 at 6:29 PM | I read it and enjoyed it (Score:4 Normal)
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It's really interesting, especially if you were around then.  And I agree with you--and the article gives the same impression--that Carr totally screwed up the handling of Brady/Henson.  I had the misfortune of sitting through the Illinois game discussed in the article, and can still remember being livid that Carr went to Henson when Brady was playing well (and clearly the better QB that year if you were watching the games), whereupon Michigan began to stumble, the defense collapsed, and we lost despite a ferocious comeback led by Brady when Carr put him back.  I just watched the Orange Bowl from the end of that year on the BTN.  Michigan had TREMENDOUS TALENT on that team.  A shame the way it worked out.  (Rosenberg may be a jerk for the NCAA jihad, but even a jerk can write a good article now and then.)

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January 9th, 2012 at 4:34 PM | Brady was not even interviewed (Score:1)
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Brady was smart enough not give a quote in the article.

I read it (I have a subscription). I also had my kids read it - to show them what a competitor Brady was.

Born in Ohio to a Catholic family, but I went Blue

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January 9th, 2012 at 4:49 PM | Can someone give me a (Score:2 Normal)
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run down of Rosenberg's past with Michigan?  I have been reading this blog for over a year now, but I don't think I have ever heard of the past incidents.  I don't usually read his stuff because, like most people who write for ESPN/SI, his stuff offers little insight or interesting info.  But, what is the stroy with him and Michigan? 

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January 9th, 2012 at 4:53 PM | He was one of two people behind the FREEP's assault on Michigan (Score:1)
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Story from 2008/09 about practice hours / countable hours ... he never liked the Rich Rod hire and had a vendetta against the program.  

 

He's an op-ed writer who was also "investigating" Michigan for alleged violations.   Michigan did violate NCAA practice rules, and admitted it, but the FREEP's article went way beyond the boundary of "investigative journalism".   It was a witch hunt.   And Rosenberg parlayed that into a cushy gig with SI.com

 

I was reviewing Rosenberg's articles about Rich Rodriguez (excluding the NCAA violations) since December 2007.  The FREEP makes you pay for archived articles, so I just looked at headlines ....

 
12/15/2007 CHOSEN ONE?
12/17/2007 GREAT EXPECTATIONS
12/18/2007 THE JOB AHEAD
01/25/2008 WRITE OR WRONG
01/27/2008 GREAT PROSPECT STILL NEEDS GREAT TEAM 
02/07/2008 COACH ROD HAS CHANGED EVERYTHING
02/08/2008 RODRIGUEZ-WHITE THEORY IS FLAWED 
02/08/2008 SLIPPERY SLOPE: RODRIGUEZ NEEDS TO EMBRACE U-M TRADITIONS
07/10/2008 ORDEAL EXPOSES UGLY TRUTHS ABOUT RODRIGUEZ 
08/31/2008 ADMIRERS OF NEW REGIME JUST GOT A REALITY CHECK 
10/14/2008 EARLY TAKE ON RODRIGUEZ: ATROCIOUS
10/24/2008 RODRIGUEZ'S RECRUITING HELPING DANTONIO
10/26/2008 IT CAN STILL GET WORSE FOR U-M
11/23/2008 TRANSITION'S OVER, COACH: TIME TO CLEAN UP THE MESS 
04/03/2009 NO PLACE TO HIDE
08/11/2009 WIN AT ALL COSTS A POOR FORMULA FOR RODRIGUEZ
08/30/2009 A LOOK INSIDE RODRIGUEZ'S "RIGOUROUS" FOOTBALL PROGRAM
08/13/2010 JUDGEMENT TIME
10/05/2010 WOLVERINE DICHOTOMY IS ONE FOR THE AGES
11/02/2010 DEFENSELESS
01/05/2011 NOT HOW ELITE PROGRAMS ARE RUN
01/06/2011 LET THE BLAME GAME BEGIN

1901: UM outscored opponents 550-0.  In the first ever Rose Bowl, UM was up 49-0 in 3Q when Stan forefited.   Until 1918, Pasadena staged ostrich races instead of football because of the blowout.

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January 9th, 2012 at 5:02 PM | Wow, thanks (Score:3 Normal)
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Why does unyeilding hate towards Michigan get people jobs?  I would assume any school has a large opposing fan base that loves to read smut, but how did this land this guy a job with SI?  To be fair, I don't like or read SI, but I am still suprised people wanted to pay Rosenberg.

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January 9th, 2012 at 5:06 PM | Much more is detailed in JUB's THREE & OUT (Score:1 Overrated)
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Shows Rosenberg, Carr, and Martin as three large contributors to the program's dark period.

1901: UM outscored opponents 550-0.  In the first ever Rose Bowl, UM was up 49-0 in 3Q when Stan forefited.   Until 1918, Pasadena staged ostrich races instead of football because of the blowout.

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January 9th, 2012 at 5:22 PM | You asked about the Rosenberg history... (Score:2 Normal)
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Graduated from Michigan, and was an Editor of the Michigan Daily.  (Somebody help me with his year of graduation...)

He did some sportswriting at Michigan, and cultivated a lot of contacts with Michigan athletes that appear to have lasted.

My presumption is that Rosenberg had an okay relationship with Bo (not like John U. Bacon, but not bad), and a much better relationship with Carr.  I have a very, very large question in my own mind about the Carr/Rosenberg relationship.  Politically speaking, Bo was an unapolgetic Republican, publicly so after he left coaching.  Carr is a registered Democrat, publicly so as he ended his own coaching career.  Rosenberg and his paper are, shall we say, devotees of Lloyd Carr.

Rosenberg wrote a good book, carefully researched and well-written; War As They Knew It, about the ten year Hayes-Schembechler-Viet Nam era, and all of its sociopolitical components.  I reapeat; it is a perfectly good book.  I have told Rosenberg so, myself.  Jon Chait of the New Republic, another Michigan Daily editor, reviewed War As They Knew It for the NY Times Review of books, favorably.

Then came Stretchgate.  Jon Chait, Rosenberg's friend and reviewer, called it "journalistic malpractice."  Chait was right.  The Free Press (publisher Paul Anger, columnist Drew Sharp, Mitch Albom) circled the wagons to defend Rosenberg.

Someone with a brilliant mind suggested that people register protest votes on the Stretchgate story by rendering 1-star reviews for War As They Knew It on Amazon.com.  Naturally, I did so despite my true feelings about the book.  I have no regrets.  Several hundred other people did the same.

And what ugly crocodile tears from Rosenberg; what amazing chutzpah; to complain that "three years" of his working life had been damaged by a false and misleading publication (in the form of the Amazon neg-bomb).  Tell us about it.  Three, and out.  Eh?

 

 

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January 9th, 2012 at 5:49 PM | I wasn't "itching to." (Score:1 Normal)
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And, I have no intention of arguing politics with anybody here.  But with all due respect, and my utmost seriousness, I think it is a real question.  And all that I did was raise the question.  In connection, of course, with Rosenberg's own book, which is in large part a political history.

That's all, and I am more than happy to leave it there.

Your own story about Freep staffers' impression of Rosenberg/Carr sqaures with my own understanding from people who have been around both of them, too.  It's an odd thing with me, because as much of a radical Rodriguez defender as I have been, I had enormous respect for Carr before I ever heard the name Rich Rodriguez, and it really takes a lot for me to lose that respect.  For Carr, that is.

 

 

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January 9th, 2012 at 6:10 PM | Complete agreement. (Score:1 Normal)
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It would be a devastating charge.  It would require absolute proof, of a kind I shall never expect.  I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.

One thing I will be watching for, is a Lloyd Carr book.  No matter what anybody says about him now, Carr is a thoughtful man, a lover of books, and someone who likes to control the message.  I simply can't believe that Carr doesn't have a book in him.  Indeed, unlike Bo, Lloyd might not need a ghostwriter or a collaborator.  Whether Rosenberg would have any involvement would be a very interesting question.

 

 

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January 9th, 2012 at 5:04 PM | Nope. (Score:2 Normal)
CdubGoBlue
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Freep/Rosenberg will not get another purposeful hit from this guy again.

Born and raised in northern MI, stuck in TN temporarily. Cannot wait to get back home.

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January 9th, 2012 at 5:06 PM | Uh... (Score:4 Insightful)
My name ... is Tim
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Hasn't this story been run into the ground by the MSM already? Is Rosenberg really unearthing this thing in January 2012?

 

What an incredible journalist.

"Nowhere is there a better university, in any way, than this Michigan of ours."

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January 9th, 2012 at 5:14 PM | Agree (Score:1)
lexus larry
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This is where the term "lamestream media" gets it's definition...lazy, uninspired hack-writing disguised as "journalism."  Even though it's a sports article, journalistic standards should apply always.

And yeah, talk about fossilized "news."  (Think about that term - news.  It's supposed to be new!  Hence, NEWS!  Not olds!)

Nothing to see here, folks.  Move along...

Larry

I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV

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January 9th, 2012 at 5:18 PM | And... (Score:4 Normal)
My name ... is Tim
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Immediately confirmed by reading Simmons' mailbag:

 

Q: SI this week ran a feature about how Brady's Michigan experience helped Brady become the great QB he is now. I think I have read this story or seen a TV feature about it maybe 300 times in my life. But in the last 3 years alone someone has written a story or done a feature about how dropping to 24 made Rodgers the great QB he is now at least 150 times. Of course Rodgers is younger than Brady and has a longer career ahead. My question is this Sports Man — in 2030, when we finish counting these stories up after their careers, which story will have been beaten into the ground more? Would you go Rodgers or Brady?
— Frank, Lansing, MI

"Nowhere is there a better university, in any way, than this Michigan of ours."

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January 9th, 2012 at 5:17 PM | I read it last night... (Score:2 Normal)
Yo_Blue
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I never looked at the author. I showed it to my wife (a Buckeye, but a Brady lover) who thought the same thing I did... Wasn't this all covered in The Brady Six on ESPN? Can you spell plagiarism? Not an original thought in the man's head that isn't borne of hatred.

Should we point instead of fist pump during the Victors?

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January 9th, 2012 at 5:40 PM | Charlie Pierce... (Score:1)
You'reMyBoyBlue
Joined: 12/13/2011
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wrote a book titled "Moving the Chains: Tom Brady and the Pursuit of Everything" (2006). I read it back when it first came out and I do believe this subject was covered. Of course it examined Brady and didn't really get into much detail about Henson (comment about his father telling Carr he couldn't sign a QB in the class ahead of him). 

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January 9th, 2012 at 5:40 PM | No thanks. (Score:1)
Saluki
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Even if MR were to somehow win the Pulitzer for this article, I will never read it, or anything else he ever produces.  He is dead to me.  Therefore, the article doesn't even exist... Hey, what is thread about anyway?

 

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January 9th, 2012 at 6:10 PM | Mistake (Score:1)
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As much as I love reading about Brady's drive, I regret clicking on a rosenberg article

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January 9th, 2012 at 6:22 PM | Sports Illustrated article (Score:1)
beeg75
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Seriously, I have gotten Sports Illustrated since I was 11 (28 now) and each week I still get excited to get it out of the mail (Think Adam Sandler in Billy Madison). Even more, I get giddy like a school girl when I see ANY Michigan related article...As I saw the Brady Article walking back in the house, While I was thumbing thru I had the same reaction to seeing it was written by Rosenberg that would have accompanied a bird pooping on me...I felt dirty, pissed off and quickly thew the magazine to the coffee table. (Thanks, Rosenberg!)

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January 9th, 2012 at 6:26 PM | A journalist needs (Score:2)
wildbackdunesman
Joined: 07/16/2008
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A journalist needs credibility and the readers that know him best know that they can't trust him.

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January 9th, 2012 at 6:35 PM | A couple of observations (Score:2 Insightful)
treetown
Joined: 11/10/2010
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Despite the author ...

1. It shows how well-intentioned parents can really have severe unintended consequences. Henson's dad is portrayed as looking out for Drew and trying to promote his career - in hindsight he probably sheltered him too much from the reality of competition at the next level. In contrast Brady's dad who is an actual coach took a very hands off approach, even though it sounds like he really wanted to guide Tom in a particular direction. Of course hind-sight is always perfect. There are probably a lot of other kids who bemoan a misguided career because "no one looked out for me."

2. The two sound like they are still cordial - but not close buddy buddy - sort of like how I read Peyton Manning actually keeps up with Ryan Leaf. I suppose only going through what they did they share a unique bond.

3. In the article, Tom Brady isn't directly quoted. He declined through the Patriots front office to participate in the piece. Don't know if this is related to the author or he was too busy "being Tom Brady" to worry about talking about "how Tom Brady became Tom Brady." Either way, just adds to the legend of "Tom Brady."

4. The "Ten Year War" is actually a pretty good book. That ten year period will be hard to match for the struggles on the field and the turmoil on and off campus.

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January 9th, 2012 at 8:10 PM | No thanks. (Score:2)
glock_bus
Joined: 06/23/2011
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No click.

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January 9th, 2012 at 9:49 PM | Brady/Henson SI article (Score:0 Trolling)
blaize8378
Joined: 08/27/2011
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