Buffalo wild wing bowl preview. Not much new just that Morris might start over Gardner. Very emotional speech by Lewan. Lets hope for a big win over Holy Cross followed by a win vs KSU. Hope you enjoy. GO BLUE!!
i would rather see Morris start over Gardner. The game is completley meaningless win or lose. Might as well see what Morris can do and use it to build on next season. Personally i would start all the young guys
Just no. This team needs momentum and hope for the off season. This season has been a disaster. A strong win in a bowl could be to some a sign of good things to come (particularly recruits). A loss could seem like a continuing tailspin. This game is not meaningless.
This game isn't useles and the sheepman makes legitimate points. I just don't think Gardner will be healthy enough in 6 days to practice and play. Morris is the future of this program in the key years that will decide if Hoke will be around for 2 more years or 20 more years. I would take a 100% healthy Morris over a 75% Gardner.
Borges even said that Gardners injury affected his play calling on the OSU 2pt conversion. I don't want Borges hampered in any way and I want him to let gunslinger Morris loose.
edit: Plus I'm really f*cking excited to see what Morris can bring to the table.
I agree but does winning this game really change the outcome of this season? I dont care if they win as much as how they play. I want to see both lines play well and the running backs find lanes to run through.
A win does help. Its easier to sell and up and coming 8 win season versus a lackluster 7 win season.
Good play is what all of us want to see.
If you are really excited to see what Morris can do, Spoiler Alert, he's a true freshman with crazy accuracy issues and very limited game reps. It ain't going to be pretty.
Yes he is a freshmen with a strong arm and accuracy issues. Yes he is inexpereinced. But I believe that recieving the majority of first team reps post OSU and allowing Borges to game plan with Morris as his starting QB will put Shane in a spot to have some success.
Am I expecting 400yds passing and 5 TDs? No.
Am I expecting 300 yds and 4 TDs? No.
But I hope to see 200-300 yds passing with a consistent running game with around 4-5 TDs scored total. Plus I hope to see a throw or two that make us go "WOW." In a good way.
If that's what you're hoping to see Saturday night with Morris at QB, you better make sure you're liquor cabinet is fully stocked. I'm not expecting anything close to what you are if Morris starts.
How do you know he has accuracy issues? You cant judge his play on garbadge time. I want to see him play a full game.
I think we'll be impressed by Morris's arm strenth. I think he has a better arm than Devin and we'll see higher velocity passes. Accuracy may or may not be an issue, I don't know. It'll be interesting to see if they go conservative or let it loose like OSU and ND.
But what better to bild on the furture than playing next seasons possible starters. We know what Gardner can do. There is nothing more he can show us at this point. i want to see what Morris can do
If you want to see what Morris can do, wait two years when he's actually the starter.
Seriously, what planet did you beam down from with this stuff?
Why stop there? Lets really build for the future by benching Jake Ryan and all the other Junoirs and senoirs. That way we can get the players that will carry the team in 2015 game experience.
So what you are saying is that getting a QB game experience is the same as getting players experience at every other position?
I'd disagree. A QB having game experience is more important than any other position. Especially considering that next year the team will still be one hit away from Morris stepping in on a team that will be breaking in two new tackles.
A claim could be made that Bellomy would back up Gardner next year and Morris redshirts but I am not sure that is true. Is a three star kid who has not shown anything yet, other than a dreadful game against Nebraska, going to be automatically handed the reigns if Gardner goes out? Or will there be a compeititon for the spot in the spring and fall? My guess is there will be a competition if Morris wins the backup job he won't be redshirting.
Did you hear a whoosh as that sailed over your head?
So on one hand there is
-trying to impress recruits
-possible QB controversy next year if Morris plays well (not really a bad thing if he is that good)
-appease fans (which won't happen anyway due to the opponent)
and on the other hand
- Gardner not being 100 percent or even close to it
- a bowl that has little meaning,
-the chance Gardner could get a serious injury and not be able to play next year (Do you really want to take an ACL chance in this year, the dreaded 2013 as some have pointed out)
-getting to see how your QB of the future can handle himself in a full game after a few weeks of practice with the first team
-a built in excuse for why Borges was terrible this game, after all it was the QB's first start! (an injured Gardner is not an excuse if he plays, why put a QB out there who is injured with zero bowl practice?)
-adding some excitement to a bowl played at 10:15pm against KSU
At this point I wouldn't mind seeing Morris play. There is very little upside to play Gardner in his current state. I was totally against putting him in during one of the "fire Al Borges" games. However, at this point he has gotten to practice with the first team after an entire season to get acclimated to the offense and college in general. Put the young man out there and see what he can do. If nothing else it gives the kid and coaches some game tape of Morris going into the spring game and summer workouts. That alone would be worthwhile from a training standpoint to let him know what he needs to work on.
8-5 sounds a hell of a lot better than 7-6.
Whatever helps you sleep at night. The important record is 3-5 in B1G play.
All games are important. Or else we STFU about Akron and UConn.
Also, if MSU won their nonconference game against ND, they are playing Florida State. All games are important.
Also, college football. Seniors. Recruits. Etc. All games are important.
All games are important. All games are important. All games are important. If not, why do we play them? Why risk CTE and broken limbs? Fans are so fucking delusional it's disgusting. Just because you checked out at some point does not mean that this game is not important to the people that actually matter, the participants.
All games are important. Some more than others, but do not trivialize a college football game. Some guy might get his only game rep in an M jersey. Some guys will play their last. Some guys are auditioning for the NFL. All returning players are auditioning for next season. All games are important, not just B1G games.
But we know you only mention that because you suppose that it is damning evidence against a staff you do not like. As if your opinion on M's staff is worth a drop if sweat that those players are going to shed on Saturday.
Don't put words in my mouth, I like Hoke and Mattison. I think they were what the program needed after RRod. And I honestly preferred Hoke to Harbaugh as the latter's antics were off putting.
I'm sorry but to me and my perspective of the season winning a 3rd tier bowl game doesn't erase the fact that we had the 3rd worse conference record in Michigan football history since 1967. This season is a disaster and a bowl win cannot change that just a bowl loss doesn't make it any worse. I still plan on cheering like hell for Michigan though.
If a recruit doesn't want to choose Michigan because they lost the BWW bowl then they probably weren't too serious about Michigan in the first place. I'm not a recruitnik like everyone else on the blog and I don't salivate over how high kids are rated. I also don't buy the argument that people complaining on mgoblog about the performance this season will have any affect on recruiting what so ever. If a recruit thinks that there is instability in the program because joe somebody posting anonymously on mgoblog saysthat Hoke should be fired then I question that recruits intelligence.
That being said, I trust the coaching staff to evaluate players and make offers based on team needs and talent level. Making offers based on stars and recruiting ranking is for the video game players who think they are ready to be coordinators.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
That was unnecessarily rude.
Because a Buffalo Wild Wings Championship is a major selling point for recruits. The only reason to win this game is for pride. That way we will have finished the year 2-4 in Nov/Dec instead of 1-5.
Start Morris and play him the whole game. We know what Gardner is and isn't as a QB and Morris' redshirt is already burned. Next season too, don't just start Gardner because he is the returning QB. The current B1G champs benched a returning 5th year QB for a sophmore and won the title.
play to win the game! That is all!
A win is very important so they can turnaround the negative momentum that has been building around this program since about half way through the season. They could look at this as the start of next season and like you mention start building momentum for a very important 2014 year.
What if Morris has an outstanding game? 400 yrds, 65% completion, no INT. Is there going to be a QB controversy next year?
We've seen Gardner's highs and lows. I have a suspicion that Shane will be more even keel, not so low and not so high either. That could be really good for this offense. Hell, we have a couple of pimps out there in Gallon and Funchess. Just give em a shot, kid
While it may be a side effect, this is not about developing Morris or seeing what he can do. If Gardner was healthy, he would definitely be the qb.
I grateful for the stories of those three guys. Wins are great, but it's heartening to see the adversity they've overcome and the sense of camaraderie they've development while at Michigan. They leave a great legacy for the guys behind them, B10 championship or not.
to victory this would be horrible. Gardner would start next year, everyone will cry for morris to start next year and the season will be a disaster. We all know this is what would happen.
If Morris is the better QB next season why would it be a disaster to start him? If memory serves me correctly the current B1G champs had a returning 5th year QB and they went with a sophmore QB this season and won every conference game by double digits. Gardner shouldn't start just because he is older. He should have to earn it by being better than Morris.
Morris could throw 500 yards 9tds and they would start Gardner.
So he should start because of the number he wears? I think next season you have to have a legit competition.
It would be better for both QBs development to let Gardner rest and get healthy for Spring and let Morris start and get game experience IMO.
would start Gardner next year no matter what is my opinion. No matter how good Morris does. But if Morris won the game and played great we all would want morris but these coaches ride on seniority until they start losing. They would sacrifice a lose to start a senior.
I also think that the coaches will start Gardner no matter what. It is not a popular opinion but I think Hoke has made some personel blunders. Particularly not having Gardner ready to be the backup in the Nebraska 2012 game. Arguably not convincing Denard to move to HB/WR hybrid before the start of the 2012 season to showcase his NFL talents at his NFL position.
It is silly to start a guy just because he is a senior just as it is silly to start a guy just because the fans are clamoring for him. The coaches should start the guy who gives Michigan the best chance to win and they have infinite more knowledge who that guy is than I do.
This ignores the fact that seniors are, by and large, much better than underclassmen.
Bellomy will not start over Morris unless he win the job or Morris loses it. He is older than Morris. But neither of them is Gardner, who has proven to be a good player. Your argument supposes that a true sophomore with 0-1 starts can be as good as a 5th year senior with 2 seasons of starts, and a good player at that. Gardner isn't a generic senior QB. He is good.
To your supposition, my retort is: EL OH EL.
No way. The best players play. Denard outplayed Forcier in offseason and earned it. If Morris does then hell play
I just have to say it: Why do you (and others) have what I can only describe as a hard-on for Shane Morris? Did you watch him play in high school or something, and have an irrational attachment to him? The ignorance on this board right now is making my ears bleed.
So let me get this straight: You (and others like you) think that Gardner-- who played with plantar fascitis, almost assuredly multiple broken ribs, was the leader anyone would ever want in a QB, was hamstrung by the worst pass-blocking line since I've been watching regularly (mid-90's; don't tell me that 3-9 team or the 2007 team had a worse pass-blocking line/backs, because they simply didn't), yet still threw for a boatload of yards, played his ass off against OSU-- should be benched because there is a true freshman that is younger and who you THINK- you THINK- MIGHT (emphasis on MIGHT) be "the better qb." No, just no.
I mean, seriously, this is real life, not NCAA 13 on Xbox. The people (for the most part) advocating this "START MORRIS ZOMG" bullshit are just being irrational beyond belief. Don't you think the coaches-- who've had about 11 months of in-person eval of Morris, and YEARS of eval of Gardner-- are correct in saying that if he can play, Gardner's the starter? Do you not realize that playing the younger guy just because he's younger (note: NOT "better," just younger) is asinine and antithetical to the concepts that create good football teams-- i.e., that it's a team, that you put in your work, and that experience matters?
No, I'm not going to engage in a reply, so yes, I'm being a drive-by commenter here, but my God, some of you people need your heads checked.
Or you may just be 13 year olds.
He should start because he's earned it. If it's based on the stupid legacy jearsey or seniority, then Hoke shold be fired now.
I am 100 percent, bet my life on it, certain that the number adorning DG's back has absolutely nothing at all to do with Hoke's depth-chart decision-making. Just going out on a limb here.
"if morris does great starting and leads the team to victory this would be horrible"
That's the most backwards thing I've heard a "fan" say in a long while. If [insert player here] does great and wins for Michigan, that's horrible? Not in my book. That's exciting and fun and good for our favorite team.
If you'll forgive the metaphor, it seems like a large portion of the posters here don't see the glass as half-full or even half-empty... they're complaining that the glass isn't whittled from the rare crystal they selected and it's resting on a table they don't care for.
Can we at least all have enough perspective that Michigan success = good?
But on Christmas Day BTN will show the Michigan/NW 3ot win at noon.
He's a true freshman QB who would be playing behind a bad O-line. He would play awful, stop convincing yourself that he is some secret gem hiding on the bench.
This, times a million. Man. People...
I feel sorry for Gallon. Hope Morris can find him and he can go out with some big catches. Also hoping that the line and our RBs can manufacture some time for Morris to get comfortable. Obviously you'd rather have your talent on the field, but I'm curious about how things will go.
Will be fine. Great career. Going to play on Sundays.
Serious offer: Would you like to make a wager on this? I'd be willing to bet, say, $500 that Jeremy Gallon is on an active 53-man roster for an NFL game next season or the season after at the latest (and that'd be after spending time on a practice squad). He is the prototypical NFL slot receiver, really. Yes, he doesn't have "elite" speed, but that's the point- you put elite speed guys on the outside, usually. He has all the tools to be an NFL slot receiver, as being an NFL slot receiver requires one thing, generally: Getting open on non-fly routes. No one can cover him in a small space, he is tough as nails, and catches damn near everything.
If you (or anyone else) wants to take me up on this wager-- one which I'm serious about-- shoot Brian an email with this comment, and he'll provide you my email address (the one associated with my account). I like taking people's money.
Then Morris will play the entire game. I'm sure he'll have some bright spots but also have some disastrous plays. I hope the running game can improve. We will need the young interior line to block well. Just hope it is a close game. It would be awful to end the season getting blown out by KSU!
The Quinton Washington segment at the end was one of the best segments I have ever seen on this show. Congrats to a brave young man, and congrats to his teammates for helping to bail him out at the end.
Say what you want about either coach for the last five years, but Michigan is continuing to develop their players as men off the field and positioning them for future success. Parents of recruits can't ask for more than that.
After our tough year, this is still a great opportunity for our younger players to get some real game experience and build on the OSU game. If Gardner is at all hurt, then getting him healthy for next year is more important than risking a more serious injury for a win against KSU. Moreover, with Gardner out there is actually less pressure on Morris and our expectations should be exactly what we would expect from a Frosh QB. If he plays well, then we, as fans, should do what we can to try to tone down a QB rivalry between Morris and Gardner next year. I'm looking forward to the game and hope Gardner gets healthy and Morris gets some confidence.
I'd prefer Gardner to start, of course, because he's a very talented guy who can give us a big game if he's given a little protection. Morris is inexperienced, and often that comes back to bite a QB.
But if Gardner can't start, it's a great opportunity for this young man to step up and show us why he was a highly ranked recruit.
Michigan - 34
KSU - 20
That's my score if Gardner plays. If Morris plays, I'm going 34-6.
He talked the talk, now it is time to walk the walk.
If we can run, he'll be fine. I got a hunch KSU is going to try to make him pass though--and that will be what decides this game.