Informal poll result: RichRod getting a "B-" thus far
If you missed my earlier board post (http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/informal-poll-grading-richrod) I asked for opinions on what grade you'd give RichRod thus far in his tenure. I gave a rough definitions of what I thought each grade should mean, ranging from an "A", where our lack of success is almost entirely due to things beyond RichRod's control (e.g., youth, injuries) and we'd have fared way worse under most coaches installing a new system -- to "F", where it's all his fault and the team's problems are inexcusable.
Obviously, this is extremely unscientific, but as of 2:41 pm, I counted 66 grades in the thread, ranging from A- to D-. In instances where people gave multiple grade options, I tried to average them out. I used a typical 4.0 scale (no A+s). The most popular grade given was a "B", the median grade was a "B-", and his GPA is a 2.73, which is a B-. Under the definitions in the original post, this would be right between "Good" and "Meh".
Thus, after doing some extrapolating, the results of this unscientific poll show that: on average, respondents feel that RichRod is doing OK, and that while he was put in a difficult position due to lack of depth, installing a new system, etc., the team should be playing slightly better than they have played up until now. Also, people might expect us to be just outside the top three in the Big 10 next year. Just thought you might like to know...
October 27th, 2009 at 3:34 PM ^
Grades likely would have been different after the Indiana game (and could be different after this Sat., too).
Straight B.
October 27th, 2009 at 3:35 PM ^
Well...a B- was good enough to keep me from getting grounded when I was a kid.
I guess we can tell RichRod no TV for a week.
October 27th, 2009 at 5:40 PM ^
Lack of progress in recruiting at key positions for 2010 as big as a factor as on field progress (or lack thereof), however, the fact that the team is seemingly becoming less competent every time they take the field is alarming as well and contributing to the low grade.
October 27th, 2009 at 3:37 PM ^
tough to grade him mid-season, let's try this again during the off-season.
October 27th, 2009 at 3:41 PM ^
True, but how else am I supposed to waste my time? On the side, I think he lost a half a point on his GPA solely because of Penn State. This poll was mostly meant to be a snapshot in time.
October 27th, 2009 at 6:45 PM ^
Agree. The fact this was done in the wake of the worst loss of the season no doubt skewed the results... probably cost him half a point.
October 27th, 2009 at 3:47 PM ^
The B- grade sounds about right although I personally would give him a B. I think the other thing that needs to be taken into account though is that the defense is really one year behind because of the release of Scott Schafer and the hiring of Greg Robinson. If the DC was in his second year instead of his first, I think RR's grade would have rated higher.
October 27th, 2009 at 3:56 PM ^
You'd have to imagine our record might be different too, if that was the case.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:13 PM ^
The team has possible the most talent in the B10. And if you dont believe me watch where Graham and Warren go in the NFL draft. RR's team has shown very small improvement from last year. The only reason we have a better record to this point is becuase of our easy schedule. We have played no one good this year. The games are very alike to last year. Michigan usually gets a good start in the game and then finishes the game with horrible turnovers. This has become a RR tenant. He has no regard for defense and special teams. The only thing he cares about is the offense and at times that looks like the worst part of the team. In his second year at michigan we cant even hike the ball to the QB. His offense is 100% based on the QB. I think tate is a great QB, but you cant possible put all the pressure on him, which RR does in every single game. He also does nothing to get D-Rob in the game beside putting him at QB. The kid is the fastest player in college football and we dont have a play to get him involed with the offense beside a fucking direct snap. I thought this guy could coach offense. To me he looks like a man that cant handle the Michigan coaching job. He is in way over his head and you can start to see the pressure getting to him.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:15 PM ^
You know...ah, not even worth it.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:19 PM ^
pass it this way.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:21 PM ^
shoo troll don't bother me
October 27th, 2009 at 4:24 PM ^
I dont see how you can defend RR. He has done a piss poor job. Name something he has done good for the team. We r worse in every aspect then we were with Carr. Id take carr back.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:36 PM ^
Thats the reason why RR is so fucking bad becuase he is high. I get it now. thanks for pointing that out to me.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:37 PM ^
"Thats the reason why RR is so fucking bad becuase he is high."
Looks like we found the Freep headline writer.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:43 PM ^
Okay, this was Carr's record the last 4 years: 36 - 14, 1-3 in Bowl games (winning his last game). Throw out that random 2006 season, and you have 25-12 and The Horror. Carr was a good coach, but his teams were on a downward trend, settling into the 8-9 wins and losses to the elite teams in America. Sure, that might keep some alumni and fans happy, but it also becomes depressing to watch a team clearly play a step or two behind the best teams in country, including your bitter rival. Promoting from within would have left the team in the same rut - solid but predictable pro-style offense and standard defense, playing reasonably well but being exposed against more dynamic teams. I'm not dumping on the Carr era, but he was a guy who recruited reasonably well, kept UM in the top 2-3 in the Big 10, and occasionally rode some momentum to a 10+ win season. That's fine to some, but I'm not against UM going out and trying to shake up the team a bit, and I think that history will show that this was a good hire.
But of course, you don't care about that. You just want to complain and start fights. Go for it man, but don't expect your brand of reactionary complaining to get much traction here.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:44 PM ^
i just think Carr was a lot better than RR. I dont think RR will ever pass Carr. Plus you cant throw out that 2006 team. Why would you throw that out. its apart of his record. You said his record is 36-14. Id take that in a minute. RR is a terrible 8-12. Not to mention his B10 record. He has won 3 big ten games, IU,Minn, and WIS. At least Carr beat MSU and Penn St. U cant tell me if carr was coaching this year we wouldnt have beaten MSU and PSu this year.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:56 PM ^
I can affirmatively tell you that if Carr were coaching this year we would not have won MSU or PSU. And it would have been, at best, a coin flip in every other game except for DSU where we would have let them stay in the game and we would have pulled ahead by about two touchdowns in the last quarter.
October 27th, 2009 at 5:02 PM ^
Carr would have for sure beaten PSU at home and he would have beaten that great 4-4 MSu team. Please look up his record agaisnt MSU and PSU and tell me what it is. I think he only lost to MSU 3 times and PSU twice. He only lost to PSU 1 time in Michigan. The other time was on the road. I think he would have been ok in that game. LOL
Do you realize MSU lost to Central Mich and ND. Central Mich went to east lansing and won. So ur tellin me Carr couldnt do what central MICH did.
October 27th, 2009 at 5:43 PM ^
You are basing all of your conclusions on the assumption that Carr would be fielding a drastically different team than the one currently out there. Let's say Carr coached last year - maybe that means Boren, Mallet, and maybe Manningham (I always heard Arrington was on his way out irrespective of the coaching change) stick around (and that is a stretch with Mallet). So the offense is slightly better at QB (people act like Mallet was the second coming of Henne - there is a reason UFRs have a tag for BOOM MALLET'd) and the receiving core is a little more dynamic. But the offensive line would still have had some major holes, Brandon Minor and the running game still would have struggled. The defense didn't lose any significant pieces in the transition, so that unit plays basically like it did last year, except perhaps with fewer 3-and-outs by the offense cutting into their rest. Absolute best case scenario, the team finishes 7-5, 8-4, or 9-3 and the mediocrity continues.
And don't get me started about this year - with only Minor and Mallet as proven playmakers, plus maybe an inexperienced but talented freshman nabbing some playing time, the offense would struggle. Defensively, you still have Warren and BG plus Stevie Brown drunkenly running around in the secondary, still giving up big plays. Flip wins over ND with MSU, and you're still at 5-3. You think UM beats Iowa or PSU with this team, Carr or not? Probably not. I know we are getting into an impossible world because of the differences in recruiting classes and coaching shake-ups, but this team would still be struggling, albeit with 7-5, 8-4 records.
RR will finish with a winning record this year, and pretty soon people will forget about the one horrible 3-9 season.
October 27th, 2009 at 5:55 PM ^
RR is 1-6 agaisnt those teams. OSU,MSU,PSU, and ND.
What was Carr's record agaisnt those teams combined. He is a much better coach and a better person. I know its hard to take because nobody wants to admit when there wrong, but RR was the wrong hire in this spot. Im a michigan man and love michigan. We have to realize we made a mistake and get a new guy in there.
I was thinkin possible about urban myer. When Tim Tebow leaves what will urban have to stay for. He said in a book that he is from the Bo and Woody coaching cradle. He said that the 3 best jobs in college football are Michigan,OSU, and ND. If we could get RR outta here and Urban in Michiagn we would be an unstoppable force. Could you imagine the possiblities if he was our coach. He would destroy tressel and everybody else in the b10.
I think if we offer him the job at the right price he may take it. Lets face it florida is a nice school,but Michigan is like heaven on earth. If he went to michigan, he would take it to a new level.
October 27th, 2009 at 6:26 PM ^
You spell like you form thoughts.
Terribly.
October 27th, 2009 at 6:29 PM ^
Im an accounting major, so give me a break. But you have to agree with my foggy points that im making.
October 27th, 2009 at 6:53 PM ^
See, Jay, you're going up against the mainstream on this (and other) boards and the bottom line with them is this hire must have been magically perfect because--well---because.
Now I got to agree with them that you can't run Rodriguez off yet--and that it's too early to call this hire a mistake.
But the record IS the record. And the lack of progress speaks for itself. And of course, don't forget the Boogeyman: Lloyd Carr, who had the audacity to maybe lose a bit of his competitive fire in his later years and then leave a program that was not tailored to fit Rodriguez's spread offense.
Of course, people choose to believe that Rodriguez, who came in shouting the he could "adapt" his system to the talent at hand, somehow had to implode the whole thing--starting from scratch--and of course pretend that defense doesn't matter and hire Shafer--then DUMP him because the OFFENSE Rodriguez put on the field was all kinds of horrid, bad, terrible (due to the fact that Threet and Sheridan were out to get Rodriguez as well).
But to even hint that Rodriguez is anything but the second coming of air conditioning in Florida--and well, you just stink and that's that!
October 27th, 2009 at 9:07 PM ^
I'm going to stop wasting my time trying to talk to you - I figured you were a troll but it was nice to talk a bit about Carr. At this point, go fire up the old VCR, plop in tapes of 1997, and enjoy yourself. You worry about this team going the way of ND? Well, you're certainly on your way to being like a large percentage of ND fans, holding on to the distant path and hating everything that is "different" than how you remember it.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:48 PM ^
I know I haven't posted on here long, but if you advocate taking Carr back (presumably at the effort level he was displaying at the end of his career), you are obviously a troll. This is the coach that lost to App. St. with a senior Henne and Hart. This is the coach that lost his last four OSU games. That Carr was leading the program on a downward trajectory is not a debatable point.
Carr at the beginning of his Michigan coaching tenure is another matter but a hypothetical one of unproductive fantasy.
Also, I know you're an OSU troll but couldn't you at least proofread your inane postings so that you disguise that fact.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:55 PM ^
Im looking at Carr's complete coaching record. What is it with you people. You look at 1 game. (Appy St.) You have to take in account his whole body of work. He coached the greatest Michigan team of all time. Im sorry if im not gonna say RR is better than Carr.
I agree Carr had to go. But we should have replaced him with somebody who knew what the michigan job was about. RR does not understand what it takes to be the head guy at Michigan.
Carr still was stable at Michigan. he still kept the tradition of winning football for 40 years.
RR has done the complete oppsite
October 27th, 2009 at 5:05 PM ^
I'm not looking at just one game. I don't think many of Carr's critics are. That App St. game is just particularly emblematic of how Carr approached coaching. Carr's most galling tendencies were:
1. At the beginning of the season, his players would always be out of shape.
2. We were playing what should have been an inferior opponent that we allow to hang in the game.
3. We were not prepared to play a spread team (this was a particulalry vexing foible of Carr).
4. We lose that game but actually beat Florida later in the year demonstrating that we were outcoached, outplayed, outconditioned and whatever else you want to throw in.
These were all the most enraging characteristics of Carr teams, and they were getting more pronounced each year he hung on.
October 27th, 2009 at 5:08 PM ^
he did beat that florida team. Who coaches that team? Urban Myer and they had that one guy tim tebow.
If RR beat Urban myer in the state of florida i would fall over and die. RR cant fucking beat clark at home.
Or beat MSU in east lansing like central michigan did.
These coaches are not even in the same universe. Its like comparing Ron Zook to Urban myer.
October 27th, 2009 at 5:14 PM ^
thank u.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:06 PM ^
We have played no one good this year.
We beat Notre Dame who has a good chance of making a BCS Bowl. Thier offense is probably the best offense we will face all year. If it were not for Floyd getting injured, they might of had only one lose.
October 27th, 2009 at 4:14 PM ^
I'd give him an Incomplete so far, but if he goes 7-5 or 8-4, then B, B+ would be appropriate. Of course, if he beats OSU, then I could really care less about how he grades out (nevermind, that's my inner Sparty coming out!).
October 27th, 2009 at 5:20 PM ^
I didn't intend to provide a forum for so much bickering (though I guess I should have anticipated it). When it became known that Antonin Scalia and Ruth Bader Ginsburg were friends despite their extreme opposite political ideologies, Scalia said "I don't argue with people, I argue with ideas." I think that reasonable arguments can be made both for and against RichRod's effectiveness. That's why I think somewhere in the "B" range is probably accurate.
October 27th, 2009 at 5:25 PM ^
How could you give him a B. What do you think BO would give him?
I dont think Bo would make accuses for RR.
October 27th, 2009 at 5:45 PM ^
BOOM, Schembechler'd
October 27th, 2009 at 5:57 PM ^
Michigan was bo's baby and nobody was gonna fuck with it. RR is lucky Bo is not around anymore.
October 27th, 2009 at 5:46 PM ^
B+ to RR. D- to all the idiots that have been throwing him in front of, under, over, around, and through the bus.
October 27th, 2009 at 5:59 PM ^
You guys are writing like 400 words to a guy that writes in text speak and can't vary his sentence structure beyond "subject-verb-object". Just let it go. You're not changing his mind, and he can't articulate his point.
October 27th, 2009 at 6:04 PM ^
Im not writing a paper for a college professor. Im in a Mich blog. Chitownblue2. U know im right u guys just dont want to admit it cause you cant face reality that martin blew it when he hired the wv gambler.
October 27th, 2009 at 6:33 PM ^
You may have forgotten which Michigan blog your are (dis)gracing with your presence. Jay-Z. Yes, I too can superfluously insert names as their own sentences for no apparent reason. Please return to other, more bedraggled corners of the interwebs.
Stick to rap.
October 27th, 2009 at 6:39 PM ^
Jay-Z is my nickname you douche.
Keep changing the subject you scared person. Take your blinders off and you'll see that michigan is slolwy turning into ND.
October 27th, 2009 at 6:57 PM ^
Jay is forgetting what Michigan blog he's on? You mean this one---Scout Jr?
Come now--argue with him, tell him he's "Wrong, Dammit!"--but leave the snobbery where it belongs: in the schizophrenic halls of the Michigan athletic department.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:15 PM ^
is no different than Scout or other boards? Have you read the Freep board and all the others?
October 27th, 2009 at 8:51 PM ^
"Keep changing the subject you scared person."
That's it Captain, get the fuck off of mgoblog. You've been mega-burned and your honor will never be redeemed.