but now heavily leaning C.
Fergodsakes, it's well past time to stop saying the right things and start fucking doing the right things.
Informal poll: did this game change your opinion of Hoke?
but now heavily leaning C.
No grade. I am still stunned that Devin was not prepared to take over for Denard when he was injured in the Nebraska game last year. That was 100% coaching incompetency.
...about the RR years was the utter lack of support he got from most of the "Michigan Men" (very un-Michigan Man behavior; yeah, you, Braylon, Aaron Shea, etc.) and the sabotage job by the Detroit Free Poop, but--most importantly--the lack of time given by the AD. You give a guy 5 legit years, not 3 internal obstacle-filled ones.
Which is exactly why polls like this are garbage. Sorry, OP, I don't see how this adds any value whatsoever to the fanbase and what Michigan is trying to accomplish. All it serves is to divide.
My answer is the same now as it was before the game, and will be until after the 2015 season: I'll tell you after five years. Until then, Hoke is our coach, and with that he gets my 100% support, including the fact that it is HIS decision who to coach the OL, call the offense, and bring the god damned water into the huddle during timeouts.
Seriously, putting out polls like this 3 years into a guy's tenure, even if he didn't have to build an OL almost entirely from scratch, is the height of douchery. Go worry about your NFL fantasy team, please.
So, to officially answer your poll: E. Get lost.
I believe this thread should be deleted.
This is when Hoke's recruits will be upper class-men and he will continue to add depth at every position. I think Hoke will be a good coach. He may not be a great coach, much in the same mode as Carr minus the '97 season, where he will be out coached at times by Urban and in bowl games. But I think we will have a good team in 2015 and will have talent to compete with OSU and run rough shot in the B1G. I cannot rule out one National Championship and many BCS bowls by and beyond 2015. May be by the time Hoke decides to retire in 10 to 15 years, Jim H. will be sick of the NFL and will want to finish out his 60s as HC for Michigan?
You're seriously okay with being Urban's bitch and you think Harbaugh is going to coach here? Can I have what you're smoking.
I'm a bit PO at Mattison. How could his defense ever let a freshmen QB conduct a 75 yard TD drive in 26 seconds. That should never had happened and we should have won that game by 7!
D. Hoke is a great recruiter, a wonderful guy, and his players love him; moreover, his AD loves him, and his subordinates love him. But whether he's the "best" choice in the long run is clear: No. In his defense, was there a better choice in 2010? I will leave that answer to others.
Michigan has had a history of a few great, innovative coaches for long stretches, and some decent-but- not-so-great coaches during the in-between years. For all his wonderful qualities, it's pretty clear that Hoke isn't one of the great coaches. He is a good coach, maybe even an excellent coach.
But he isn't a Yost, Crisler, or Schembechler. Finding a coach of that caliber is kind of a crapshoot, unless you are willing to go with an Urbz, a Saban, or some other proven commodity and attract him with a richer contract.
One more thing: with a coach like that, the AD isn't going to be the star. The coach is. You'd need an AD who can take a back seat to his coach. Ask yourself if you think Dave Brandon is that guy, with that ego?
Your question, "Is Hoke the best choice for Michigan?" simply raises another question. Because if the answer is no, you have to ask, "Was there a better choice that could have been made for Michigan in late 2010 among the available coaches?"
The answer to that may have been no. You can give a coach a Superman cape, but if he isn't Superman, you just have a guy in a cape who still can't fly.
It's my belief that Hoke inherited some good offensive players from RR in 2011, and put them to use decently. Mattison certainly raised the level of play of the defense - perhaps the defense had some talented guys from the RR and Lloyd years who responded to his training, but who were undervalued because of GERG. It's speculation at this point.
Anyway, Hoke had a good 2011 with RR's players.
What has happened since has been far from disaster, but it's certainly been merely OK. 8-5 wasn't a great season in 2012. We will be lucky to see that this year. We wil be very lucky indeed to get 9 wins. We have the equivalent of a Pelini situation: A good steady coach, but probably not a championship coach.
It's my belief that Hoke should get his 5 years, and maybe more, unless a truly great, proven coach becomes available sooner who expresses interest in the job. That is what should have been the plan with RR; and when Urbz became available, we might have competed for his services by ponying up the cash.
As long as we're hiring and firing, could someone please fire Brandon? I think he's a publicity hound and a horrible AD for Michigan.
I'll ask a question here, too:
Would we as an alumni and fan base want a guy like Urbz or Saban representing the school? Maybe we're the type of fan base that would rather have someone not quite as successful, but far more honest, nicer, and whose personality is preferable coaching our guys to good, but not great, seasons? I'm not advocating one way or the other, just asking the question.
I don't like the associated definitions. However I can answer the question. I think that Hoke is by far the best coach to be head coach of Michigan of any available coaches. No one would have been nor would be better.
I had some reservations when he was hired, but across the board he has performed admirably in every aspect of his job. Period. That does not mean that I agree with every decision, nor does it mean he does not make mistakes. No one is perfect, he is not. There is simply no other coach out there who would do a better overall job at Michigan. This evaluation includes his selection of a coaching staff.