is anyone else as worried as I am about facing Notre Dame's 5 wide sets? I know its a frosh QB but our secondary vulnerabilities against this set are glaring.
is there such a thing as an etsy genuis? if so, this is it.
Vulnerabilities against this set ARE* glaring. Just kiddin around!
But seriously. I imagine that the coaching staff will review the tape this week, and find a way to defend it. We probably won't lock it down as much as we would like, but it shouldn't concern you. We'll find a way to make the D serviceable, have faith in the staff.
We just had a big victory. enjoy it for a while.
Why worry? I'm not going to be naive and think the teams going to win every game even if I'd like them to. I'm a huge Michigan fan but I'm not going to stress and lose sleep, thats the coach's job. I'll discuss the team and my views but to "worry"? No. I'll do my part in supporting the team wether im @ Michigan Stadium or watching it at Duffy's. Either way I'm going buck wild and supporting the team.
I was worried until yesterday, then realized the defense will only need to play for 20 minutes.
i felt so much better about us holding onto our lead when i realized that our first drive of the 2nd half took longer than half of the 3rd quarter
so much for the offense moving too fast and not giving the D a break. i think i saw van bergen taking a nap
I thought Crist was a RS Sophomore
The young CB's get experience and have a chance to show what they got.
The Michigan D stopped a potential 21 points this week. They don't have to play perfect. We seen them cause a few errors by the QB. They got in his head so next week should be no different. We know all QB's make mistakes and get frustrated. Thats when our D will step up even more. We will force teams to play from behind. The big test will be against a veteran QB with wide receivers, but for now lets savior the flavor of a giant win.
We've gone down there with much better squads than we have now, and lost. Weird shit seems to happen down there.
weird shit does happen there quite a bit...
I actually forgot how enjoyable that game was to watch. Seeing that, I now must re-watch the entire thing in preparation for ND week!
I think a lot of those 5 wide sets are designed to open up underneath routes in man coverage and go downtown in zone. So you have to ask yourself this. When we drop into cover three, will our underneath coverage of Kovacs/LB/Nickel back be able to cover long enough for Roh, Martin and RVB to beat their blockers and put pressure on..
I think a lot of this Irish game will come down to how dirty Crist's jersey is at halftime.
Super dirty: were probably in the drivers seat
Squeaky clean: were probably in trouble, or Denard has run for another 117 in the first half.
I assume the coaches kept a number of blitz packages in the bag and we will work on some specifics for the type of Offense that ND runs. Yet, even then, ND's better QB and receivers will be a real test for our D.
that it took 5 players to block Martin and Roh. If our secondary does an adequate job, it will only be a matter of time before the QB proves he is a freshman. I would love to see him scrambling around with Martin in hot pursuit. I think I saw Roh come around the back side of a couple of plays going in the opposite direction and nearly blow them up, too. There is no substitute for speed.
I will pray to the secondary gods. I am almost ready to get excited about our young defense.
that Crist is not a Freshman.
He's a RS jr or RS soph and was a 4/5 star? He's not exactly wet behind the ears.
He's a 5* Junior. It's the normal QB transition Michigan hasn't done since before Chad Henne.
gotta win the turnover battle next week. We did this week, need to do so again next week. ND will score more than 10 but I fully expect our offense to get atleast 30 again.
is probably more worried about figuring out a way to stop Denard, and figuring out a way to score enough to keep up with him.
"and figuring out a way to score enough to keep up with him"
Which might involve 5 receiver sets.
but they only passed for 205 and a TD last week and were far from an offensive juggernaut. I was more concerned with Denard's ability to pass against another D. Luckily that concern was squashed rather quickly.
I expect it to be another great game this Saturday. The inexperienced Crist and his recievers against Michigan's inexperienced secondary is only one of many intriguing matchups. I am, though, a lot more confident about what may happen than I was on Friday. I think yesterday's game proves that Michigan is "back," and that predictions of gloom, doom, and a post-season coaching search may have been somewhat premature.
ND looked a little better than I thought they would, but Michigan looked better than almost everyone who follows football thought they would. I think that a more-experienced Crist could cause severe problems for Michigan, but I don't see ND's current level of production to be too worrisome.
I think "bend but don't break" could be a mantra by the end of the year. I think the defense will yield a lot of yards to ND, but I don't see ND sustaining enough drives to beat Michigan. Besides, if the game plan is similar to this week's version, ND isn't going to have a lot of clock time with the ball. It certainly looks like RR wants to "compress" games by keeping the clock running and giving the defense less "opportunities" to give up big plays.
If Denard can keep the offense on the field long enough to make ND's defense tired, keep Michigan's defense fresh, and keep ND's offense from finding continuity, it's the maize and blue eyes that will be smiling on Saturday.
My early guess: Michigan 24, ND 14.
For $500 please.
I told myself no Notre Dame until tomorrow, but after yesterday I want more.
Generally speaking if we are winning the turnover battle or even staying even, we are a very tough assignment for anyone on our schedule on any field.
I have a feeling we are going to see great energy from this team all year, even if we don't always see exactly what we'd like to see. We are young and hungry and this is fresh and fun to watch. I hope Michigan fans who choose to dislike the new direction, unchoose that because they are missing a fun process.
Still, I don't consider him a veteran player. This is his first year being the first team QB and a new offense to boot. I think the D-Line can cause a lot of problems for him and get in his head. The D-Line has to put consistent pressure on him to give the CBs some help.
Remember, ND is going through a very similar transition as we had two years ago.
ND is stacked from top to bottom on both Off. and Def. I wouldn't say they are in all that similar a situation to the one we found ourselves in. Sure they changed offensive systems, but I don't think it was nearly as drastic a shift as the one we made. couple that with the talent they had at the time of the coaching change and I just don't agree with you.
I'm waiting to see Brian's UFR on the D, but it seemed from listening (when I was in the car) and watching back at home that our defense on the perimeter was not good. Borderline terrible, and we gave up a couple of long passes and nearly gave up a TD, (a better QB/receiver combo makes that play).
In my mind, we need at least 6 more wins to make a bowl game. We should get two against Bowling Green and UMass. So, should we lose to ND, we need four wins in conference play. Considering how Illinois looked yesterday through its first half against Missouri, they'll be tougher than we'd hoped for, (Scheelhaase looked really good for a freshman). Indiana played very well yesterday, and MSU was on the money after they got the cobwebs cleared. There will be no gimmes after UMass.
Top to bottom, the B10/12 will be tough this season. Maybe better than the SEC overall.
when you play a 12 game schedule.
We gave up 343 yards yesterday net. Granted, UConn dropped a couple that would make that number bigger, but also factor in we had no sacks, and only a handful of TFLs, only one of which I remember being large loss. That 343 is a decent number for this defense (some 60-70 yards under our average last year, if I remember correctly). Only number that really matters is the 10 points. Let's reserve the "borderline terrible" when it's more applicable. UConn has some players.
Of course, 6 wins makes you "bowl eligible". Seven wins, and you're practically guaranteed. I suspect that there will be many "bowl eligible" teams in the B10 this year. There appears to be a high degree of parity, outside of OSU, Iowa and Wisconin.
Also, six wins doesn't feel much like progress after going 5-7 last year, (although if we lose to ND, but win 3 conference games, then it's certainly an improvement over last year). If we lose to ND on Saturday but still go 7-5, that likely puts us about mid-pack in the conference with 4 wins, and while not great, after the last two seasons, I'll take it.
Dude, we're Michigan. 6 wins and we get a bowl game, guaranteed. I bet bowls would rather have a 6 win Michigan team than some anonymous 7 win team that's not going to bring half the fans we will.
Crist has been in the program for a few years but the program has changed and I think it's insane to think that BK has got his whole offense in the way Weis had his last year. I would be more concerned if this game were in a few weeks rather than now. That said, I don't think ND really opened up the ole' playbook much vs. Purdue. I guess we'll see.
I think the things that could kill us vs. ND will be turnovers and penalties, both of which we managed to stay away from yesterday. If our offense can play something like it did yesterday with long drives, those ND fans are going to put a ton of pressure on Crist to deliver and every time they punt it's going to just ramp right up. That's a fan base that's really pretty close to as antsy as this one and they will be putting a ton of weight on next week's game.
I expect the ND fans to boo their own team next week at some point in the game.
I think ND is going to come in more prepared, scheme-wise at least, for Denard's ground game than UConn was (obviously). Not that it will matter a lot, but it will matter some. Therefore, I think Denard will put the ball in the air more. Stonum and Hemingway will have to have big games; the O-line will also have to have another big game in order to temper whatever ND has planned for Denard's ground game. Denard will have to balance # of passes and runs more. Unless, well, he is again unstoppable.
As for the D, having fast guys who swarm to the ball is our strength. JT Floyd or Rogers will not be able to cover M Floyd. Also, unlike UConn, their receivers will not help us with dropped passes. We will have to do what we do best - swarm, fly around, use our collective speed to keep their offense contained - just enough.
THE REAL KEY against notre dame is going to be putting more pressure on the qb.
I've seen us lose more games to ND due to turnovers, penalties, miss field goals and generally error strewn play then I'd care to recount. The key for me is our D-Line getting consistent pressure and forcing some mistakes out of them. We couldn't cover Floyd last year, and I expect us to give up a lot of yards, hopefully a couple of key turnovers can keep them out of the endzone.
Our offense looked explosive today, and I wouldn't be surprised to see ND getting more aggressive (UConn always had safeties deep) to stop DRob and getting burned. Another penalty/turnover free game and I'll feel very confident.
ND is going to put some points on the board next week. I didn't watch much of the game, but from the box score they didn't pass much more than we did this week, but they were efficient in doing so. They'll probably pass more against us, especially if they can't get the running game going. They still only put up 23 on Purdue, which isn't great. I think the 3-3-5 set will help out a lot against ND's passing attack next week. I saw many examples in the UCONN game where their QB was confused by our D. For example, in the game I remember on a third down (3rd and 5) we had a DB playing 10 yard off the WR (at which point I'm thinking "not this crap again") - the QB saw this and planned to throw to him to get the first down, but as the ball was snapped James Rogers stepped in to cover him from the middle and made a play on him to force the incompletion and I could see that Frazier wasn't expecting this..
The ND defense looked pretty darn slow (heck, Marve had a 23 yrd TD run), so we're going to put up some points too.
Should I be worried that we registered zero sacks on UConn?
We definitely got at least one because I remember their QB falling down from pressure behind the LOS.
Michigan will be fine. ND put up 23 against Purdue, a team not exactly known for defense.
ftr, Notre Dame fumbled on the goal-line. the score could have easily been 30-12, essentially the same score as the michigan game....
ftr, turnovers matter. A lot. You cannot simply dismiss them - tf you want to be taken seriously, that is.
ftr, small sample sizes can only tell you so much, especially with relatively infrequent events like WRs fumbling at the goal line. Also, context matters as well, the final scoreboard isn't totally indicative of how well or poorly a team played.
You probably should weigh things like they only scored 23 points against Purdue in their first game in a new offense accordingly, especially if you want to be taken seriously around here.
Are you replying to my comment or to the whole conversation? I understand small sample sizes and all. My point is that any UM fan should know that you cannot pretend like turnovers don't happen. But I don't understand the rest of your statement. Its as if you had a lot to say and just wanted to dump it here - I think you are imputing several statements to my brief reply in which I make just one point. Other than the turnover issue, I have no opinion on the game between ND and Purdue. I really could not care less.
Yes, I was replying to your comment. The first poster made an inane comment that ND's offense isn't anything to worry about because they only put up 23 points against Purdue. RKGs responded that the final score isn't indicative of how well ND's offense played, they were one fumble away from being up 27-3 with over a quarter to play.
You responded that turnovers matter and that you can't ignore them, a point RKG's never made, he was just trying to provide context to the original poster's idiotic comment. If one game's box score is totally predictive of how good a team/unit is then ND's defense should have been a hell of a lot better after shutting out Nevada (the 6th ranked scoring offense) in their first game in 2009 (and we all know how that turned out.)
Going 5-wide also limits the protection for the QB. Hopefully we can get some sacks and force some throws to offset the increased pressure on our secondary. Crist has the tools, but he still lacks game experience. Most of ND's big plays seemed to be the result of Purdue's poor tackling rather than outstanding passing.
... 5 wide means no RB for protection. Id say that our D line did very well against uconns O-line, and they have arguably one of the best units in the country. Imagine what were going to do to notre dames offensive line. You don't have to be afraid, and if you still are just think about how bad their defense is.
You must not have watched the game. ND's defense is much different than last year. They only allowed 10 points to Purdue's offense, which does have talent and a much better QB than Frazer at UConn. Also, ND was without two starters most of the game (Fleming maybe our best defensive player and FS Jamoris Slaughter). Both should be back next week. Not sure if you heard but Jon Tenuta is not our D coordinator next week, Denard will definitely present problems and is a major cause for concern for every team on Michigan's schedule but we will have a competent gameplan unlike last year.
... and it's a strech to say purdue's offense has more talent. They were without ralph bolden, and people havent seemed to figure out that robert marve sucks. No one remembers that before he got kicked out of school he played like crap, and got blown out in the QB competition the next year. He's not good now and he wasn't good at miami. They could have the worst offense in the big ten.
yes, he was terrible at miami.
i expected him to be terrible yesterday. he was athletic, kept plays alive with his feet and found guys on tough rollouts and bootlegs. he made a couple big plays running the ball as well. i'm not saying the guy is all--conference, but he looked like a good athlete and competent quarterback.
Miami is my 2nd fav school and I've watched plenty of play from Mavre and he's not that great. Jacory Harris is such an upgrade. Both Michigan and ND are different teams however I'd like to think losing Jimmy Claussen and Golden Tate would be pretty big. We'll have to wait and see...
about uconn. now they are worried about 5 wide sets against nd. then they'll say "what about umass!".
seriously purdue held them to 20 points I think that our defense can do the same and our offense will put up more too!