Forget getting a sandwich, go to BTB.
Mount St. Mary's hired a private equity CEO to be their president. You'll never guess what happened next.
Forget getting a sandwich, go to BTB.
I support this. Chicken burrito with the green salsa.
I've eaten so many chicken chimichangas in my 4 years of college. So delicious
You have to get a Jewish deli meat pastrami or corned beef
I will start by saying it's been probably 5 years since I've eaten there, but prior to then, I would take a sandwich there anyday. Can't remember what I used to order, but it was outstanding. I'm sure it was a type of ruben, or typical turkey type simple sandwich. Zingerman's was always sort of ho-hum for me, as I think you pay for the "experiance."
You're not sorry.
I agree. it's way overhyped. if u want a great sandwich, it's hard to be Mike's Deli in Chelsea. it may not be as "cool" or pricey as the Ann Arbor joints but the sandwiches are delicious.
1) there is only a 1 in 10 chance that a "famous" local place is actually really, really good. The only example I can think of is the Pancake Pantry in Nashville (New Regal Ribs near Fremont, Ohio is another, but I don't think that really is "world famous" despite what they say)
2) If a local, famous place that is actually really really good actually exsists, it is probably only worth going about twice a year because the wait is always really long.
3) Local places that are really really good only have about a %50 of becomming famous. Usually, if they are famous it's because they are either unique or because they have a schtik... like naming yourself Maize and Blue Deli.
There is a limit to how good a sandwich can be; its all about ingredients. If you really want really good food, its so much cheaper to just learn how to cook--plus, you don't have worry about being dissapointed unless its a new dish or you are incompetent.
Your post gets exactly to the point of why Maize and Blue cannot touch Zingermans and why, to some extent, it is difficult to emulate certain cooking at home.
First, with any sandwich, it is about the bread. If you don't have great rye bread, the contest is over before it begins. Zingermans rye bread, in a nationwide review by foodie Saveur magazine, was rated the top rye bread in the US. Try baking that at home.
Second, it is about the corned beef or whatever else you put on that. I've made a lot of corned beef over the years, but with various outcomes. Zingermans is always excellent.
I have always thought Zingermans was top notch, but after reading the reviews about Maize and Blue I tried them recently. It was a classic case of you get what you pay for.
I could drop a tablespoon of warm vegetable oil on a Wendy's hamburger and blindfolded you would not be able to tell me which you were eating.
Hot Doug's in Chicago. Famous and great.....every time.
Pancake Pantry is the best breakfast place, hands down.
#31, you're welcome.
Are you sorry because you own the place?
Round 358 of the sandwich wars...
Maize and Blue is all right. If you were to take out location, price, and just compare sandwiches, Zing's crushes it hands down every time. I know people get all crazy about this, but if the meat was so good at Maize and Blue than Zingermann's would carry it.
this. Could never stand the Maize and Blue deli. I couldn't stand Zingerman's either (or their roadhouse). I actually felt bad when I took my parents there and they paid 50 bucks for 2 and a half overrated sandwhiches and pickles.
I am a firm believer in good ingredients, but I think these two shops are just thriving on the size of AA. In a decent sized city where you can find delis, bakeries, butchers, and even cheese shops--it put's the AA deli's to shame. Plus they are almost never as crowded as Zingerman's.
The one thing I miss most about Ann Arbor is the food, and I have never felt a longing for either of these two shops.
edit: Oh and I forgot, who the hell at Zingerman's decided sandwhiches were supposed to be that small? It's one thing to be rediculously overpriced, it's another to be rediculously overpriced but sell small portions so you force me to go wait in your line from hell and get more food.
Zigermans sandwiches may not be huge, but I wouldn't call them small...
The size of the sandwich is a bit on the small end at Zingerman's, and the prices are high enough that people are going feel the sandwiches are smaller.
I see this... Personally I think maize and blue deli is reasonably priced and gives a solidsandwich, however, it is not even close to the quality of zingermans regardless of price, and with all of the good restaurants in the ann arbor area, I will probably not go to the deli that many more times... 3 was enough to know what it is... good, but not fantastic or great
Relative to the portion size and price of Zingerman's it's cheap.
I understand your issue with Maize and Blue, but I think you went over the top by comparing it to cheap lunch meat from the super market. I am a die hard Maize and Blue guy in the AA deli wars so take this for what you will, but this is my personal opinion of them.
1. It's perfect "college food" by that I mean large portion size, relative price and location make it preferable to Zingerman's to a student on a budget.
2. The food isn't the same quality as Zingerman's, but then again that's like comparing the food from a small time local steak house to something you'd get at a five star restaurant. I LOVE Maize and Blue's sandwiches.
3. It's awesome game day food. I can get a sandwich there around 1030ish before a noon game and be full until the game is over. My pregame ritual when I'm in Ann Arbor always involves going there first.
At the end of the day if you want something that's going to be equal to the high end delis in New York City then you go to Zingerman's and you pay high end deli price. If you want a huge sandwich that tastes damned good without waiting in a long line and paying top dollar you go to Maize and Blue. Personally as a college student with a crappy part time job I fall in the second category.
Out of curiosity what sandwich do you order there? My personal favorite is #28 minus onion.
edit: By the way why are people negging aaamichfan's original post? Just because someone has different taste in sandwiches than you doesn't mean they deserve to be negged. It's not like he posted something neg worthy.
It's the offseason, and this thread is moderately entertaining. I consider that a success.
"Fairly confident that I could buy some pre-sliced Oscar Meyer lunchmeat from Kroger and make a better sandwich than this place" ...is why I negged the post. Oh, and I negged you too. The "First rule of MGPoints..." and all. No hard feelings, eh?
Just curious how he managed to get that negative.
Also after his second post his point total remained the same. Does it mean he no longer can move his point toward positive territory, like sometime when Team 144 plays?
Every now and again the airline loads up and people return, so there is hope. If not, there is always Profitgoblue.
There was a place in Farmington called Breadbasket that was awesome (size, quality of the corned beef & pastrami were old-school Zingerman's-esque). Don't know if they are still open though.
Dimos > Maize & Blue > Zingermans > Ahmos > Breadbasket
I was going to say something about your corned beef obsession... but really, isn't that the best barometer of a deli/ Sandwhich shop's quality? Corned beef is one of those foods that doesn't seem like there is much of a range in quality.... untill you have really good corned beef, then it's like "woah". This discussion reminds me of an argument I often have about beer-- to me, 70 per cent of beer is all roughly the same in quality. 20 percent is undrunkable, and 10 percent is really good. Beer is just beer unless its beer.
bread basket doesn't make their corned beef in house. they get it from a place in detroit.
nevertheless, i ate at one of these in livonia for the first time the other day, and the corned beef was incredibly good. better than zingerman's (where the absurd price and hype turns me off) and maize 'n blue (where the size justifies the price but the quality just isn't there).
didn't know what you meant by making it in house, i guess. the waitress told me about getting sy ginsberg from detroit, and i was assuming that didn't count.
If you want excellent corned beef, though there it's called smoke meat, go to Montreal and look up Moishe's. It is probably the best corned beef I've ever had.
Corned beef or pastrami are your barometesr of how 'good' a deli is.
If they f*ck up corned beef, you may as well just not bother going.
undrunkable--adjective. Beer that is so crappy you'll never drink enough to get drunk.
I spent a year in A2 and Dimi's was my sandwich joint of choice.
The Zingerman's vs Maize n Blue deli debate really needs to be a banned topic on here. Despite that, I can't help myself and will add my 2 cents anyways. This afternoon, without hesitation, I happily dropped about $30 on a sandwich, mac n cheese and a brownie at Zingerman's. I haved lived in A2 for 20+ years, have tried delis all over the country, and will always keep coming back to Zingerman's. I respect people's differing tastes in food and that not everything appeals to everyone. But I will continue to ignore the claims of overrated and overpriced because no food gives me more delicious satisfaction nor nostalgia than a #2 with an old pickle from Zingermans. That right there to me makes it the best deli in the world and worth whatever they want to charge.
I dont' dislike it but I don't love it. I go there everyonce in a while because their sandwiches are decent, but definitely not great. The one thing I will say is that they definitely do give you enough food, which is nice since a lot of places don't.
So we had a thread about Rich Rod and another on "Zingermans vs. Maize and Blue Deli" on the same day.
Can we never have debates about these topics again?
what sandwich did RR prefer.
NO RELIGION OR POLITICS
I think someone should post a "vi vs. Emacs" topic just to make a trio.
No, I agree. I never really liked it when I was a student.
I know this is even more blasphemous, but my favorite sandwich place was "Taste Our Goods" - a little shop in the corner of Sparrow's Market in Kerrytown. Ironically across the street from Zingerman's.
Sadly it has since closed.
I have lived in a few cities including Boston and NY but I have not found a deli that compares to Zingerman's.
agree 100%!!! I live in Pensacola, Fl saw the man vs food challenge and decided to go there during a game day weeknd. We gave it two attempts on back to back days... very disappointing...
No bang for your buck.. Plus cheap meat...
And by Blimpie I mean Blimpie subs. I may or may not be joking. Also, its Koger not Kroger.
in Southfield has them both beat imo. If anyone ever goes there try Davids Drip!
You're on crack. Courtney's Conversation is a beautiful thing...
From the foodservice professionals standpoint, you went above and beyond trying the place 6 times with bad meals is enough, the place isn't for you! I won't go back after a 3rd. Looking at you Quizno's, taco Bob, Fazoli's, olive garden, shitty pizza place across town, chi-chi's (ooohhh market proved that), spoon deli (wooster, ohio) Cincinnati chili, Perkins restaurant & bakery, Bob Evans, Burger king( yaaaa- hemorrhaging market share) and you, you horrific excuse for an Italian eatery-- pizza hut. I'm a foody and the quality of standard restaurants out there is amaizingly low.
Congrats on your realization that for you, its just not worth it.
This is five times over what I would give a bad experience. There are only so many meals out there. This makes me hungry for some A2.
Thread is the sheer definition of flamebait.
triple play reuben is amazing
Been 19 years and I still remember the Cindy's Daily. Roommate and I loved the place and at the time preferred it over Zingerman's. I ran errands for a law firm down town during school and always got to clean up leftover Zingerman's trays. Good, but so overpriced.
Live in Brighton and was happy when Amer's opened in Brighton, but that was short-lived.
Only negative of Maize and Blue was smelling like the place the rest of the day.
Zingerman's is where the rich Communists in the Politburo get their sandwiches.
The rest of us go to the Meijer Cafe or Maize and Blue.
My sandwich rankings in Ann Arbor (hamburgers included)
1. Frita Batidos
3. Blimpy Burger
4. Maize and Blue
Blimpy Burger is living on reputation and faded memories. The last two meals I had there were so bad I can't imagine going back. Maize and Blue is the same way. I don't feel like they're doing anything special with their food.
As for your other three picks, I'd disagree on the order, but agree on the content. Zingerman's is a cut above everyone else. They get a bad rep for high prices, but the food is that good.
I love Zingermans, however the chorizo Frita loco at Frita Batidos is the best sandwich I've ever had.
order the chicken shawarma there, u will be satisfied
those burgers r damn good
I've heard that Brandon Inge loved the M & B Deli . . . . or maybe that was Ryan Rayburn?
DiBella's off Main on Eisenhower south of campus is crazy underrated.
There needs to be a "Troof" option for comments like these. I clicked this thread for the purpose of saying this exact thing.
The employees are all dicks though
Agreed. DiBella's is very good.
Stand by your opinion like a man, strong and proud. Hopefully you got the response that you desired.
You're one of the most worthless posters on this board and you've picked crappy sandwiches to sample. Zingerman's is overpriced, overrated, and overhyped. If I wanted to eat bread with a side of meat I'd go to Subway. I'm not paying $18 for a freaking sandwich. Maize n Blue is affordable and good.
End of discussion, I don't care about any differing opinions because they're wrong.
If you are indeed the real Stephen Hawking (which I believe you are) I thought you were smarter than this.
Lived in A2 for 16 years as a kid, and never went to either, so I can't really weigh in on the conversation, only to say that, for me, one bad experience is plenty. I'm a foodie wannabe, and think I can cook better than most restaurants out there, except for the pain in the ass things to make, that I'll leave for the professionals, and thoroughly enjoy when I do go out to eat. Good Thai food being one of those things. Oh, and corned beef, once you've had really good corned beef, you'll never go back.
But the corned beef at The Stage in West Bloomfield is better, IMO.
I misread your OP title as "I'm sorry but the Maize and Blue devil is simply not very good." I assumed that Michigan had adopted a new mascot like Duke's blue devil, only he'd be wearing some maize, too. Now I can't get that image out of my mind.
Mentioned it, but there is a Bread Basket Deli on Carpenter Road (southeast corner of Ellsworth). The corned beef sandwiches are much better than Maize & Blue or Zingermans.
The also have the "Angel Sandwich" and if you can digest that bad boy in less than 20 minutes you get it free and your mug shot on the wall.
someone to ingest a large sandwich in 20 minutes or less, but to digest it as well, that's impressive.
Just how do they verify that it has actually been digested in that time?
when you finish ingesting and they hand you the marble
I'm so mad.
I hate that Zingerman's and M&B has to be an either/or. The only two sandwiches I get at M&B are the #12 Where's Bo (Pastrami, Egg, Cobat Cheese on Challah) and the Who came first, wihch is #38 (chicken and egg with Swiss + Thousand Island), both are great sandwiches.
But... I also enjoy what Zingerman's has to offer... I just couldnt afford to eat there every day in college. And M&B is right on campus...
Also, second comment: Big shout out to Izzy's Hoagie Shop on West Stadium. The place is only open for lunch, full of locals, and really a nice phillycheesesteak...
Where's Bo is the #18.