this may be of some local interest
Illinois Head Coach Beckman Trying to "Plug" His Troubles; NCAA Violation to Be Reported
Yeah, he's dipping Skoal.
None of that pussy Skoal! Right dad?
Pretty stupid rule IMO
a stance against the use of tobacco products years ago. Its a simple rule and easy to follow.
Every athletic department at every level has some kind of rule against using tobacco products.
the youth leagues in almost every sport. I don't think anything terrible should happen to UofI for this, but come on people. If you're making what Beckman makes you should be able to find substitues for these four hours per week, thirteen times per year (twelve in Illinois' case).
If Hoke can give up food on gameday, Beckman should be able to give up tobacco on gameday
Coaches and players are role models. Modeling behavior that is proven to be hazardous to your health is not a good idea for the school or the NCAA, especially when it comes to an actual athletic event.
If coaches are role models then about half of them should be forced to lose weight. Obesity kills as many or more people than tobacco.
You might be right, but it's easier to enforce "Don't chew tobacco during a game" than "Lose 50 pounds."
Also, being fat isn't illegal for people who are under 18. Chewing tobacco is.
I don't disagree with you about tobacco as I happen to think it's a disgusting habit. I still believe that a coach should be in good physical condition if he is going to lead and teach young athletes. I've always had a problem with fat adults telling kids how important it is to be in great physical shape. (see Charlie Weis)
I've read most of your responses here and generally agree. I just wonder if your tone (and the tone of others getting on their soap box) would change if you realized how many of the current UofM coaches dip. Not just throughout the week in practice/meetings, but on gameday. Hoke may not anymore given his position...however when he was DLine coach in the late 90s early 00s, I know for a fact he did. Unfortunately it's part of the culture. Also, we should differentiate high school coaches and college coaches at big time BCS schools on this point. Different atmospheres.
I said the same thing(s) when Tony Gibson was dipping on the sideline at Michigan a couple years ago.
Fair enough, I applaud your consistency.
I get why the Beckman thing got blown out of proportion...he threw in a chaw on national TV. Generally, though, coaches/players/staff of big time college football programs aren't making their "bad habits" a spectacle. Further, I highly doubt a player would see a coach dipping and choose to dip for that sole reason - it's actually more probable that his peers would be the one to influence him in one direction or the other. This is different in high school where a 15 year-old may give it a try because his position coach is always dipping.
In the Air Force it's the same thing. People are asked and paid to do dangerous things, because they are necessary or valued, yet those same people are asked to carry out a PC war against tobacco use.
In the big scheme of things, it seems silly.
Dipping is one of those things that is awful and disgusting, and you can't rationalize doing it, but you catch yourself doing it and enjoying it for no good reason.
Kind of like housing a large pizza or a dozen donuts by yourself.
What I'm saying is Kansas should have to self report every time Charlie Weis takes down a Hot N Ready by himself.
If housing a Hot N Ready is an NCAA crime... well... good thing I played in the NAIA...
you guys are talking about when you were like 17, right? because if not, i mean, just how big are you guys? i couldn't eat an entire large pizza if i wanted to.
Long past the point of growing, and I can put down a Hot N Ready lickety split. And I'm underweight, given my height. Put me on a hiking trail for 10 miles, and I can put down two.
Moral of the story: it's all about your metabolism.
This post confuses me. Why would this be a major story? Why is it so sad? Am I missing something?
I'm hoping this is a /s post and the OP is trying to be funny.
Let's hope this earth shaking news doesn't distract Brady and the team from their preparation for their upcoming game.
The equivalent of farting in public, except with less effect on other people.
Except I don't think farting will cause your face to decay if you do it too much... But otherwise, very close to the same thing. Totally agree here.
No, but butthole decay is a very serious problem. Caused by a lot of fast food. And pick your poison, a decaying butthole, or a decaying face? It's a lose lose situation.
Well fortunately for one of those we have Chipotlaway, for the other I guess your only choose is to grow a Mealer beard.
I've watched parts of two or three Illinois games this season and was really amazed at how awful they've become--particularly since Zook actually left them a fair amount of talent on the roster.
I wouldn't normally expect a school to consider firing a coach after just one season, and there is a long way yet to go this year. But already Beckman's had the embarrassing flap with trying to recruit Penn State players, there's this stupid violation over chewing tobacco, and the product he's putting on the field is absolutely atrocious. At some point you've got to start thinking about cutting your losses. A couple more incidents like this and I would think he could be looking at an early hot seat.
Is as sarcastic as I suspect the OP was.
Did you see Zook's product. Talented but uncoached athletes are a disaster. You have to give a guy two years at least.
I don't like seeing coaches get fired before they've had a legitimate chance to show what they can do, which one year pretty much never is. But when you're getting blown out by 4+ TDs every week, you can't afford to be making an ass of yourself with things like chewing tobacco or trying to raid Penn State's roster. I certainly don't think he's in any danger of being fired based on what has happened to date. But if Beckman keeps losing and keeps having these little mini-tempests, people are going to start losing their patience.
please don't fix Illinois until after the game.
Who is this Tim Beckman you speak of?
Is this really what college football has come to?
Somehow this crap is not OT?
Sure, it's a violation but its as meaningless as Ohio State giving cars to players...the outcome will be the same (nothing).
Who cares?!! This is America. Herm, where you at on this one??
Dude... give him at least 3 minutes to log into his alternate account before you call him out for an opinion.
And... Joe Tiller had something in his mouth for years and never go in trouble so what gives?
That was just his diabeetus medication.
was known to chew on ice cubes.
it could give him some street cred with players? clearly he's not going to get any by winning games
Your phrasing/description of the events is very strange. It's not that sad, it's not a huge deal, and it's not clear that he's doing this due to the extreme pressures of the job. It's not like he's out on the field doing lines of blow.
Also when did dipping become an extreme health hazard?
Ohio st had the same violation last year with Vrabel
I've been free of the stuff for 56 days now. A monster of a habit that started as a sophomore at Michigan many, many years ago. I can totally understand why he felt the urge.
I miss it but I am glad I stopped (plus I moved to China and they don't sell it here). Beckman needs to visit KillTheCan.org
Keep it up, man.
Keep up the good work.
He should just chew on some grass like Les Miles. Problem solved.
or he could roll it up and smoke it .. but if he is a role model he should vaporize it.
that is not appropriate!!!!
and vaporizors are awesome... so i hear...
Chewing tobacco is an NCAA violation? Seriously? Is this what college football is coming to?
Vrable get cited for this, too?
to the nanny state.
So stupid. I don't understand peoples stance on tobacco. These arne't kids at the universities, they are adults. and they can made educated decisions on if to use tobacco or not. Banning a legal substance is rediculous.
Much ado about nothing...
Not chewing during a game is difficult to do, especially if you're severely addicted to nicotine. Non-users won't understand, but chewing on the field is like pizza&beer, Jack&Coke, and hug&a kiss. BTW, Lloyd used to chew during games too, before he was a head coach (as did a bunch of coaches).
I've been chewing for a LONG time. Too long. I've just recently switched to Mint Snuff, a non-tabacco/non-nicotine alternative. I wonder what the NCAA would say about that?
Kids watching you can't tell the difference. My thought is that the rule exists to prevent the popularization of chewing among the impressionable.
let the children decide if they want to chew or not!
Good luck. MInt Snuff, the patch, and a newborn daughter finally helped me beat the habit.
Not _____ing during a game is difficult if you're addicted to ______.
No offense to you (and congrats on the switch - keep it up), but the best way to avoid getting addicted to something is not to start in the first place. I don't have any sympathy for people who get addicted to tobacco, other drugs, or alcohol. It's a stupid decision when people get hooked on those things, and then they pay for their mistakes later.
Good for you for being ultra strong in your convictions. Some of us, however, are pre-disposed to addictions (coming from a long family line of addicted nicotine and/or alcohol users). Normally I read your contributions with interest, but in this case, you can take your holier than thou BS and shove it up your ass.
I've had fellow coaches dip. And then I've found out that some of my players are doing it and I try to warn them off it. You know what their response is? "Well, Coach _______ does it." And I have no response, because some of my fellow coaches aren't being good role models, and I can't exactly demean my colleague. So I've seen its effects on younger people, and I know that nothing good comes from it.
Like I said, good for you for weaning yourself off the tobacco. That's a step in the right direction toward becoming healthier and a better role model for the next generation.
Everybody has addictions. Just because yours aren't as noticeable or detrimental as drugs and alcohol doesn't mean they're not there. To say you have "no sympathy" for millions of people suffering with addiction and that they're all stupid is unbelievably insensitive, judgmental, and does nobody any good.
Except for a very small minority, you don't "suffer from" addiction. You choose it.
People who chew tobacco don't "suffer from" mouth cancer. They get it because of their choices. Just like most people don't "suffer from" obesity. They're fat because they eat too much and/or don't exercise.*
This is the last I'm going to say on the subject, because I've said what I have to say.
*Obviously, there are some people who are obese, addicted, etc. due to reasons beyond their control. Those are in the minority, though.
Could you leave these pages and your website for two weeks? I'm not nearly the mgo-follower you are, and I have a hell of a time making it more than 10 days without mgoblog, your site, or aquaman's site.
You're missing the incredibly important point that addiction interferes with your ability to make choices by directly affecting your brain's choice-making machinery. It is therefore much more complicated morally than your description captures.
Upvoted, not because you wrote that he was addicted to Cox (he-heh!) but because you obviously went back and edited your post to use the right "your".
Only on MGoBlog...
when I thought "sex addiction."
is not being an asshole is hard to do when you are addicted to being an asshole?
All this talk about tobacco means I need to go take a cigarette break.
FYI coach Hoke also dips.
This makes me love him even more. i hope he's a Grizzly Mint kinda fella.
OMG!!! He was chewing tobacco? He should be stoned to death during the half time show.
is an ncaa violation. Other than that, there is no reason to talk about it. This is an example of why I stopped reading USA Today. They broke the story. They don't report news, they report sensationalized stories about people.
OP sounds like a fucking dweeb.
This post actually angers me. While tobacco is against the rules and chewing is gross, I really don't give a shit. Why is this scuba big deal?
OP why do you post like this is such a tragedy and a shame? It's not a big deal at all.
Scuba is autocorrect fail for such
This IS a Scuba big deal. Can you imagine him dying of decompression sickness because he needed his nicotene at an inopportune time?
I predict this blows over in 5... 4... 3... 1...
I'd probably feel like throwing a digger in too if my team was playing that terribly...
JK.. the baccy is absolutely disgusting, and it makes me nauseous even thinking about that garbage...
Never gets old watching so many people miss so much sarcasm.
And this, naturally, is not sarcastic.