What is his number one concern or top project for 2011
If you could ask DB one question...
Dave, a lot has been made about this issue, and it seems like it has been debated forever now, but can you just set the record straight: boxers or briefs?
Do your shoes sparkle in the moonlight, fancy dancer?
Why won't you admit your mistake regarding the process? It was a disaster by all accounts and it makes you look even more arrogant and in over your head by continually claiming that your were correct to wait until after the bowl games to look for a new head coach.
This isn't really a question. You're ranting into the ether.
"Why won't you admit your mistake regarding the process?"
question - n - An expression of inquiry that invites or calls for a reply
"Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"
(Now Jan usually attends dinner engagements with Dave, but not usually luncheons. So she probably won't be there if it is just a lunch, and anyway, asking Jan that question would defeat the purpose of the question, wouldn't it?)
Fallacy: A question with a false, disputed, or question-begging presupposition.
I love Dudeness's passion and scorn. You always know where he stands on the issue. One of the interesting side-stories on the Board is going to be watching Dudeness's position as 2011 unfolds. Will he maintain his angar? Will he warm to the new regime as the offseason and season progresses? Will he get more bitter? Stay tuned . . .
I envisioned a very animated Vincent Smith pounding out a post so violently that pieces of plastic keys were flying all over the place.
I picture everybody as their avatar and read them using a sterotype voice depending on what race the avatar is. Doesn't everybody do this?
I thought it was Cato June. Or maybe some other guy...
Clarification: Dudeness is Woodson, not Vinnie Smith.
It's ashame that you needed to say that but it was needed.
I always forget that there are some young whipper-snappers that never got to enjoy Woodson at Michigan. The kids that are juniors now had to suffer through the past 3 years and never got to experience the historic Michigan football experience that everyone always references. Brutal.
I picture everybody as their avatar and read them using a sterotype voice depending on what race the avatar is. Doesn't everybody do this?
You're suggesting that Magnus doesn't really look and sound like Brandon Graham?
What does my voice sound like then?
you sound like this guy...
That's why I loved Gary Busey so much.
I get his point but it is worn out like an old carpet. His Dudeness has become His Don'tness. I really don't like to keep revisiting an old topic each and every day for the next few years, it is time to move on.
I would pay to see you and DB in a sit down interview FWIW.
He would crush me. I don't claim to be as smart as him. I do, however, know I am far more humble and willing to admit my errors.
Something tells me you would hold your ground until he gave you an answer that you approved.
I'm not defending the process, but I feel like those who wanted to give RR another year would have been just as, if not more, upset with DB if he had fired RR before getting a chance to "prove himself" in the bowl game. You're obviously in that camp, maybe you can shed some light on it. Would you have been OK with DB firing RR right after OSU?
Had we fired RR before the bowl game and had the chance to bring in a coach who has a proven track record of success at any level of his coaching career, yes I would have been satisfied. I would still have wondered what might have been with regards to a 4th year under RR, but I would be looking positively at the future success of Michigan Football.
The problem with the process is that it left us with fewer options to find a successful coach who wasn't already locked up with another school.
I also would have been very happy with hiring Coach Magee. It was never even considered...
I guess I was more asking if we had fired RR after OSU and hired Hoke that week. So same coach, different timeline.
to go along with this, would RR still have his job if they were at least competitive in our bowl (which was considered a favorable matchup for us)?
It is my opinion that RR doomed his second chance with that atrocious showing last new years day and would love to see if RR had his future in his hands.
First off, I actually like your proposed question to DB. While you and I have disagreed about the RR firing / Hoke hiring in just about every thread, the question to DB is a good one - if Hoke was the result, he should have done so WAY sooner, so as to allow Hoke more time to get players that fit his vision of the program.
As to Coach Magee, huh? Calvin has never been a HC. His mentor - RR - just completed a 3-year stint that, regardless of your opinion on the issue, will go down as the worse three years in M history. Why do you believe that Magee could have done better?
until we all get it out of our collective system.
<breaks pool cue>
"Rich Rod and Brady Hoke. Discuss."
make it fast
Exactly which part ended in disaster? I seem to remember finishing with a pretty good recruiting class. We haven't see any attrition aside from Greg Brown. We ended up with a pretty good staff too. Just because it's not the way you would have done things doesn't make it a disaster.
BTW, I'm not talking about this anymore because I don't want to see this thread turn into another argument about the process. I suggest you do the same because it's done and over with. All of your bitching isn't going t o change the outcome.
Where were you? We had the worst recruiting class in years, Denard transferred, 4 juniors went pro and our pets heads are falling off.
We actually did have one of the worst recruitng classe sin years and we have an unproven coach, no matter what the one speech behind a podium has made you think.
So this is your shtick now? Anyone with a hint of positivity or that doesn't think the process was a complete disaster must know absolutely nothing and only feel that way only b/c of Hoke's press conference?
"Anyone with a hint of positivity or that doesn't think the process was a complete disaster must know absolutely nothing and only feel that way only b/c of Hoke's press conference"
I never made that claim...
"Blueinthatface" is very fitting.
We'll see what happens. All I want from you, Dudeness, is to promise not to change your username in the event that Hoke actually turns out to be a good hire. . I'll grant that the bar should be higher for Hoke, since he's inheriting more talent and experience - at least on the offensive side - particularly at the QB position. But if Hoke is averaging 9 wins or more after year three, I want you to come forward and tell everyone that, in retrospect, you were a fucking prat for weeks after his hire. If Hoke is not successful, I'll gladly come forward and admit that the hefty fella turned my head with his Bo impression, and that I was clearly a gooey-hearted idiot about the whole thing.
Time will tell. But in the meantime, your schtick is getting really fucking old. At least do like Section 1 and mix in some narcissistic paranoia and overweening attachment to your misty Rodriguez Memories to keep things fresh.
If Dudeness has to admit that he was a f-ing prat, then you sure as hell better admit the same in the alternative. A "gooey-hearted idiot" is much tamer than how you refer to Dudeness. As a somewhat-neutral bystander, I could say that your signing on to the new regime is no different than Dudeness's refusal to do so until some later date when he is turned. There's nothing wrong with existing that way, especially after the last few months of sh-ttiness from both sides.
Fun, interesting, engaging, thought provoking....but "somewhat-neutral" isn't one of them...
And painting Dudeness as just leaning one way is like saying dahblue just kinda didn't like what Rich Rod was producing. Dudeness is an extreme...lots of people (around here, anyway) had problems with the process, and didn't like the hire...but they didn't go trolling every recruiting thread for 3 weeks after the hire. And sound like a broken record since. Even Brian hasn't done a donut joke in ages.
I definitely took a strong stance during the "CC" period, but I have actually cooled and removed myself from the discussion entirely. I like to think of myself as a neutral now, if only because I'm too emotionally spent to participate anymore. I'm more focused on trying to heal my Michigan football wounds incurred during the "CC" period. I can't help but be impressed by Dudeness's stamina and scorn but, at the end of the day, you're right . . . The negativity is not productive.
Or even that negative. Just that you come from a non- neutral viewpoint. As honestly, most do. I'm not neutral. I love Hoke. But I never hated Rich. Struggled with it, didn't really lean till after the Bowl, and still have questions. That why I did a rare call out by name. There might still be one or two still in his state (one really doesn't like the Freep...I mean REALLY).
Even in the heat, you were strong about your feelings, as were most, but never resorted to trolling. And that's what was going on. A lot of lost recruit posts with "HA HA HA Enjoy the 8 man recruiting class!". Take a look at the Orange Bowl Thread...
...and I think I'll continue this in the next post...
A lot of us are still scratching our heads over The Process. It doesn't mean we're rooting for Hoke to fail. Just wondering WTF DB was thinking...
Also, Brabbs could probably use a lil bit of the sticky icky. Take 'er easy for a while.
calmer than you are.
I have never said anyone can't question the process. I have doubts myself. You can even not be sold on Hoke yet either. I named a name, because there are a very few that seem to actively be rooting and undermining things to be right. (And they would have been bombed if it had been done under Rich). Most of the doubt at this point is reasonable, not fueled by emotion. And the vast majority of those with doubt are hoping to be wrong. There's nothing wrong with root, but verify. It's just the few that can't wait till we don't win X games so they can say "I told you so", just because some idiot did that to them with Rich.
"one of the worst recruitng classe sin years"
Actually, if you strip out transfers, this class is arguably better than RR's last two. But, I agree that the class was not stellar, and that DB's "process" directly caused this problem. Had RR been canned in November - as should have been the case, since there wss no way he was being brought back - we could have made a real play at a few more kids, and even had a better jump on 2012, where we are still coming from behind.
"we have an unproven coach"
Well, RR was a proven coach. How did that work out? Also, Hoke has proven that he can take crappy programs (which, one could argue, we now are, at least on D and special teams), and turned them around into winners.
I think that the result of the process - Hoke (and Mattison and Borges) was a great success, but the process was terrible and hurt recruiting, which is the lifeblood of the team.
Has it been confirmed that Brown is leaving the program? Because I heard someone refuted it.
I haven't heard any confirmation, but I never heard anything to the contrary.
I'll bet Dave Brandon can lay down many more good reasons for waiting than you can name bad ones, especially with the outcome. He would out-argue you without breaking a sweat. Part of that comes from him being a former CEO, and part of that comes from him actually having some good reasons behind what he did. Would I have done the same? Probably not, but it is one man's opinion against another. Let it go. There's a reason he has his job and you don't.
EDIT: This was directed at His Dudenss' first comment. Kind of hard to tell with all of the other replies.
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What major differences do you perceive between running a corporation and running the athletic department of an institution of higher education that is funded by the state? As a follow-up, do you believe that the private donors to the athletic department can be "handled" in the same manner as shareholders of a corporation (the largest of which are generally not individuals).
1. Why didn't you thinking of owning up to making bad pizza?
2. What is your stance on $5 premade pizza?
3. What is your favorite color?
...airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
African or European?
When you became CEO of Dominos did the execs openly acknowledge that their product was bland or were they in denial?
What percentage of Dominos pizza crust is made of cardboard?
0%. Don't you watch commercials?
Dave, can I have a job?
On a Domino's pizza contain some sort of laxative?
My one and only question would be why he seems to have a double standard when it comes to his evaluation of Beilein and Rich Rod. His recent comments about patience and the development of a young team regarding basketball apparently didn't apply to the football program.
I just don't get this view. The basketball program was a mess for years before Beilein. Plus, Beilein has made the post season, and won a tournament game. While it's a longshot, he also has a team with zero seniors in the mix for a tournament birth this year.
The football and basketball programs under the timeframe that applies to this question is an apples to oranges comparison.
Honestly, I would have loved a 4th year of RR, but the big difference is year 2. Beilein's team performed over their head, made the tournament and gave him some leeway.
Had the 2009 Michigan team made a couple more plays and won their three close losses (MSU, Iowa, Purdue) and overachieved, I think RR would have had the same bit of leverage in regards to youth this season.
Wait, what? I agree with dahblue on something?
Your RichRod bashing is consistent, ill give you that. But, alas, you are wrong. If winning is all that matters and if the amount of wins you have right off the bat is all brandon cares about, why did he go out and say our top priority and #1 choice to replace RR was a guy with a losing record? I'm sure being a Michigan man had nothing to do with it. Jesus H. Christ get some perspective. DB basically came out and said it in his presser....unless he was talking about something else when he mentioned knowing the words to the fight song and not needing a map of Ann Arbor.
So DB stating the coach didn't need a map and knew the words to the fight song in the presser because....?
I am also skeptical of a head coach with a losing record over an 8 year coaching career, not a 3 year stint. Do you know why? First, if hoke was judged the same as RichRod, he wouldn't have made it to year 4. It also took him 5 years to get ball state back to where they were the year before he got there. 2nd, the reason to be skeptical after 8 years and not 3 is because after 3 years, RichRod's first full class wasn't even true juniors. There is a reason it is extremely rare for a coach to be fired after 3 years. At that point, too much is riding on the previous regime. We have essentially said if you don't win with another coach's recruits, you will get fired. So what happens if hoke wins a lot with denard and devin at QB but fails in year 4 or 5? Do we fire him for being a bad coach with his own players or praise him for winning while another coach did all the legwork? I also find it funny that you keep saying "if he won more he would still be here." This is completely ignoring the team he inherited and completely ignores that he won more games every year he coached here.
Because the rest of the post starts to sound like a teacher in Peanuts...
It was a joke, basically saying "Welcome Back, Brady". Only those who were looking for someone ready to jump Rich behind every corner, or too butt hurt about him getting fired (or both) saw that as a knowing, on purpose dig at Rich. Because they saw EVERYTHING as a dig/plot against Rich.
That's why JB has a job and RR does not. .
JB had universal acknowledgement that the Michigan program he took over was operating at a talent gap relative to the rest of the Big 10 and would need rebuilding; expectations were modest. RR inherited a similar situation in 2008, but the rank and file would never acknowledge the talent gap that had opened up by poor recuiting in Lloyd's last few seasons. Expectations never really adjusted based on reality.
So, if what you all say is true then patience for development has absolutely nothing to do with it. To keep the job it requires immediate results. Again, this seems to show DB's comments as disingenuous, at best.
Then yes. But guess what, no one is surviving 3 years without results in Michigan Football, because it's Michigan Football. Michigan Basketball doesn't have the expectations, or the ceiling, or frankly, the starting place.
1. When RR came in, M had not missed out on going to a bowl in 30+ years - in a single season, RR came in and broke the longest standing record in M history. By contrast, Beilein inherited a team that hadn't sniffed a tourney in ages.
2. When RR came in, he went 3-9, leading Michigan to its worst season EVER. He followed this by a season in which he lost to almost EVERY SINGLE B10 team that we played. He lost to Sparty for 3 straight years, was outscored by OSU 24-109 over three years and put up the worst defense in Michigan, maybe B10, history. RR also didn't have a single signature win. Beilein came in and got us to the tourney in year 2. He has beaten several very good teams, and even beat Sparty this season in East Lansing. Even in losses, we are competitive for most of the game.
3. Beilein is teaching the team fundamentals, which will pay off in the long term. This is why the "youth" excuse flies with him. My contrast, RR's team had NO funadmentals - tackling, angles, catching, running, blocking, turnovers. The youth excuse doesn't work because the offense has a ton of senior talent, and there were issues with the fundamentals there, as well.
4. Beilein's team is improving throughout the season. RR's team regressed in both of 2009 and 2010.
5. (and this one is not fair to RR) - In Michigan, football is king, and we do not tolerate losing at football, whereas not as many people care about basketball because we have been so bad for so long.
I await the inevitable Dudeness defense of RR reply.
"Tons of senior talent" on the offensive side of the ball? Yeah, I guess if we're making things up, why stop there? I stopped reading after that ridiculously stupid comment.
In which year did Rodriguez have the most senior talent?
Was it, '08, '09, or '10? He didn't say good talent, mind you.
It breaks out like this:
'08 = 12 total seniors
'09 = 16 total seniors, 17 with Baker, but does Grady count?'
'10 = 12 total seniors, 11 without Woolfolk.
So Rodriguez never had senior talent, except for in 2009. He had a lot of juniors last year, so he technically had a decent number of upperclassmen in certain spots.
Now whose fault is that, especially for this year? I bet I can guess where you place the blame.
Dave, during your trip around the world looking for a coach, did you find yourself flipping through the adult film selections at the hotel? If so, which one?
EDIT: It has been confirmed....Big Sausage Pizza
Is it all an act or is Donald Trump really that big of a dick?
....to those who did not respect the process?
Was there ever anyone in your mind besdies hoke?
If not...then why the process?
Do you read MGoBlog?
If no - Why not? Are you an idiot?
If yes - Who's your favorite poster? (my money is on Dudeness)
It is well-known within the AD that DB takes his marching orders from THE KNOWLEDGE.
Well at least I understand the past two months now.
Friend: mr Brandon, did you hear Fred jacksons assessment of you?
Brandon: no sir, what did he say?
Friend, quoting Fred Jackson: "He's a lot like Bo, except not really at all. I miss Lloyd."
What where you looking for in the Bowl game that you did not know already? Did you REALLY offer the job to JH and LM? etc.,
What head football coaching candidates were considered acceptable to Michigan during your process? Of those coaches, which of them were interested in the job?
Will you be pissed if Rodriguez lands at a big-name program, get the full backing of the alumni/donors/fans, and immediately competes for a conference and national championship?
If the team were to go 3-9 in 2011 with losses to OSU, MSU, and Nebraska, followed by 5-7 in 2012 with losses to OSU, MSU, Nebraska, and Alabama, what would you be thinking around Christmas of 2012?
where can I get glasses and a mustache
Actually, the better and more likely question might be, if the football team goes 7-5 in 2011, then 5-7 in 2012, and then 3-9 after that, what will you be thinking in November of 2013? (We will assuredly not go 3-9 this year, and the brutal 2012 schedule could plausibly make it hard to do more than finish .500, especially if Denard decides he no longer wants to play in a Hoke offense and would rather return kicks in the NFL...)
But this is one of those many questions where we already know the answer.
The real trick is to ask Dave Brandon a question that will get him talking from his gut, and acutallly saying something.
Who in the hell would hold a private luncheon and order Domino's Pizza?
"What's that on the floor?"
This question will be followed immediately with an uppercut and me feeling much better.
I'll go with:
1. Dave, how will you measure the success of the new regime? Is Brady Hoke starting on a new timeline for recovery, or is he picking up where the last head coach left off?
2. Dave, how 'bout some new away jerseys? We should put the adidas designers to work to develop something uniquely Michigan. Doing their jersey template in maize and blue isn't good enough.
3. Dude, have you considered calling Six Zero? Together you guys could make the best UM gear ever!
4. Mr. Brandon, when will you be sitting down with Six Zero for your MGoProfile interview this summer?
What's your deal?
Can I have season tickets for life?
order the code red?
Dave do you feel it's really necessary for you to watch game film with the coaches on Sunday? Do you think they really want your Jerry Jones act there?
What's erectile disfunction?
Only 1 question? That is a tough one. I would either ask him, "why are you such a tool?" or "why are you so arrogant?"
If you truly didn't know your decision before meeting with RR, what was the factor that made you decide he could not get the job done?
Dave, would you and Brady Hoke agree to watch Terrell Pryor and Jim Tressel fuck your wives if, in return Michigan could win an Ohio State game? If not, why is the OSU rivalry no longer important to you?
How many of these responses actually provided an answer to the question posed by the OP? Maybe 20%? Maybe a quarter of those serious responses? How easily we go off on tangents.
Those, by the way, are not my questions for DB.
I don't really want to know why he handled the coaching change the way he did. It's done. I'd prefer to focus on the future. Plus, the request was for questions that would not be a waste of the opportunity. Assuming this is more of a semi-private luncheon, with a formal Q&A at the end as described, then DB isn't going to be giving in-depth answers to many of the questions posed here. (Although, he may give you some insight into the boxers or briefs question if you ask it professionally.)
I have three:
Now that you have a CMO on staff, what are your goals in marketing Michigan athletics? (ie. How do you want to improve on what is already one of the most recognizable brands in sports?)
When are you going to announce new varsity men's and women's lacrosse teams, as has been rumored for some time?
With nearly a year on the job now, how much has the actually job of being AD at Michigan been a surprise to you, and how much is fitting your expectations?
You broke the rules. The OP said you could ask ONE question, not three. So before you critique the other responses, be sure you don't live in a glass house yourself . . .
I prefer my question on the code red. Another good one:
Q: Did you really "talk" to JH and LM or was that just for show so you could hire BH likeit has been rumored all along?
Dave, when you met with coach Rod did he say he was willing to fire all his butt buddies from West Virginia and actually hire competent people?
I would ask who he would f-ck, marry, and kill:
Brady Hoke, Rich Rodriguez, Mike Barwis?
DB, are you really the song bird of your generation?
I'd want to know what he knows now as a U-M administrator that he didn't know as a Regent, and how he thinks that kind of knowledge would have changed his actions, votes, and decisions when he was on the Board.
And then I'd ask him what to do to get Club level seats for Notre Dame. But that's TWO questions.
Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moon light?
Dave - Which hand is your pimp hand, and did Barwis help you keep it strong?
Mr. Brandon, what is your position on Lloyd Brady?
His response to that question had better not be "who" . . . If he hasn't met Lloyd and spoken to him at length, Brandon needs to be fired. Immediately. There is no excuse for not knowing the face of Michigan football.
Mr. Brandon, about the 2011 season, will you script your plays to counter what you see on film or wait till game time and just wing it?
are there so few Dominos is the metro detroit area. What up wit dat, bra.
In those exact words.
number one, how dare you?
Did you really not do this because you thought you had Harbaugh?
Thanks for all the suggestions & responses. I'll report back after the luncheon -- probably to say that there was no Q&A after all.
The Q&A was last nite, and it wasn't any good. My buddy didn't get to ask a question, but it looks like it wouldn't have been much use. Here's his recap:
"Turned out to be kind of lame. Basically, it was about how to transition from corporate america to colege sports. But he didn't answer half the questions people had, including things like, 'Shouldn't the NCAA treat college sports more like a business and maximize value for its players etc.?'