If (when) the B1G expands again, would you be fine w/UConn?
That's all the B1G needs. An 0-3 football team that lost to Towson. I can hear the jokes already.
As they come with a decent school. If they pull an fsu or vatech I would be cool with Uconn.
no, nope, nada, zip (ntz), ziltch, zero, never
I would support it, but I am biased since I live in CT. UConn needs out of the AAC.
Another thought . . . UConn would probably be in the upper half of the B1G academically.
Stadiums can grow if a league starts filling the stadium because of good games.
There are varying criteria and metrics for academic excellence, but FWIW UConn is not currently a member of the Association of American Universities (AAU), and the last time the conference admitted a school that wasn't an AAU member at the time of its admittance was MSU in 1950. Nebraska was a member of the AAU when it joined the conference in 2011, but shortly after joining it was booted from the AAU over a dispute over whether to count the UN-Omaha medical campus as part of UN overall.
This isn't to say that UConn couldn't be invited to join the AAU and then the BIG, but that would depend on its status as a research institution. It's also possible that the conference could abandon the AAU-membership status as an unstated membership requirement, but there's no evidence whatsoever that such a move would be made for a school like UConn.
My preferred new members for a 16-team conference would be Pitt and Missouri, but I know both are non-starters right now.
UConn is redundant from a footprint standpoint.
As you stated above, UConn isn't an AAU school.
Also, they are pretty far down the federal research funding list; 81st. Nebraska is the lowest @ 100-something. UConn MAY be above Indiana, but not sure how the IU-PU mix in Indianapolis is counted. Every other B1G school has more fed research dollars than UConn. UMich tops the list at #3
If we goto 16 school megaconferences, I think somehow peeling off some of the ACC schools (UVa or UNC) would be ideal..
being combined campuses that are the issues for IU's funding numbers, it's the medical school being its own entity in Indianapolis (and a small outpost in Fort Wayne). That's the biggest chunk of reseach dollars and a lot of metrics don't count those dollars for IU. If branch campuses are included with these figures, IUPUI's go with Indiana.
I thought you were crazy when you guessed at its academic position in the Big Ten. I've long assumed that (AAU or not) it was an academic backwater. Maybe not:
Yes but I doubt it ever happens. They would not bring enough money to the table and it has already been made quite clear that TV sets is what matters in expansion.
Their stadium has 40k capacity. Programs with bigger stadiums:
New Mexico State
Do you really want to play on that beaten up grass field again?
I would prefer contraction back to 10. Keep the 9 game conference schedule. No conference championship.
- Jim Delaney
You reck the conference.
Yes. We can dump Penn State and Nebraska to get back to 10. I would much prefer contraction to expansion of any type.
I want to play every team every season rather than never play Wisconsin or Iowa.
it seems like a certain segment of this fan base would rather play/have Michigan play a certain brand of football and waddle in mediocrity so long as they play in said style of football rather than compete (and win) in modern realities of the game.
Maryland and Rutgers are somehow an improvement? Penn State hasn't exactly been elite either--and is the source of the biggest scandal in conference history.
What exactly has expansion done for the Big 10? Penn State helped bring money in, but that new money pays for really expensive softball and crew facilities, not football facilities. The money boom hasn't really changed football. It's just fueled a non-revenue sports building boom that I'm concerned about. Athletic departments are taking out huge loans fueled by low interest rates and TV money. I don't know that TV bundles will be here in a decade. Not like they are today. What happens then?
That's a valid concern and I havent' really thought of it. I'd appreciate this level of discourse rather than HURR DURR WANT ONLY MIDWEST SCHOOLS PLAY LIKE IT'S 1971 AGAIN.
60/40 UConn fans at their home stadium is a vote of confidence? I guess it better than the 60/0 distribution Northwestern used to rock.
You probably mean 100/0.
No, I would not imply that Northwestern sold their games out. That was actually the point of the post.
First off, anyone thinking it was 60/40 UCONN to Michigan ratio in the stands last night had a couple too many in the parking lots. MAYBE 7,000 at the most. Not the so called 20-30,000 that many here were expecting.
Second, UCONN is a better school academics wise per the rankings than over half the Big Ten schools.
Third, as many BCS games as Michigan this decade, who honestly cares what a school did 20 years ago as if it matters in this day and age. SMU was good in the 80s, big whoop?
Can obviously compete in football and have been a better program than Minnesota, Northwestern, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana and Purdue over that last decade.
Had more NFL draft picks in 2013 than any Big Ten school:
2013 NFL Draft Picks by College
Fourth, three men's national championships since 1999.
Fifth, women's basketball prominence.
Sixth, baseball, hockey success.
Seventh, TV markets.
Good case for it. I'm in.
1) I was at the game and you MUST be tripping. 70-30 at the most conservative.
2) UConn is not an AAU member. That does count for something.
3) Bahahaha. For all the talk about Michigan not deserving a BCS bid, UConn as a team that year deserved it less. Big East weakness was the real factor. Furthermore, having more NFL draft picks last season doesn't make up for 5-7 and 2-5 in the goddamn Big East. This is pretty much Illinois every third year.
4) The only solid argument.
5) By the numbers, no one cares. No, I'm not making a judgment as to whether people should or should not.
6) See above.
7) You can't possibly be serious. Rutgers has already captured the few number of shits people give about college sports out here. I live an hour from Storrs and even the UConn alumni I work with often don't care.
a 7-6 Michigan team hammered that BCS U-Conn team. They were not good. If it wasn't U-Conn it would have been someone else from an awful Big East that year. There's a reason they don't exist as a conference anymore. Not to mention Michigan has been to 4 in the last decade. Unless he meant from 2011-12 which is what, one of two??
(And we'll never know how corrupt that basketball program was...but it didn't look so great at the end).
No. UConn is rated 50-something in USNWR...that is NOT what the B1G presidents are looking at.
B1G presidents are looking at research $ and AAU membership. And UConn is waay behind most of the B1G schools in that regard.
Sorry. Not ever going to happen.
If there is to be conference expansion, I think UConn would make a fine addition. It's a good school. And let's face it, next year the B1G becomes a conference with an Eastern presence. Remember, we've also added Johns Hopkins as an associate member.
UConn's football program has generally been improving, basketball is excellent, and it has other cold weather sports we play.
I don't see how ACC schools like Ga. Tech are somehow more worthy acquisitions. What kind of hockey teams do they field? Where's the cultural fit? It'd be football-only. I realize the ACC turned down UConn. Their mistake, the way I see it. How is Louisville a better school?
And can you imagine dealing with a Texas with its crazy politics as part of the deal? There would be constant drama. Kansas? I see UConn as a better deal, though I'd be fine with Kansas or Oklahoma. Or Both.
I would much prefer to add a school like Va Tech or UNC. Uconn would just be adding another bottom feeder for the conference
Would be a real good move for hoops tho.
I know little to nothing of their academics...so...how that affects things I don't know.
My first thought related to football is they'd get run over by a LOT of B1G teams playing at their "traditional" levels of play. But the revenue sharing (etc) might allow them to build up their game over several seasons, expand their stadium, get some field turf in there...
Mens BBall would continue to strengthen the B1G as a ruthlessly competitive conference, which I see as good.
I realize there's an undertone of conference strength in football after I just brought that up about basketball. The usual old saw we've all heard about the B1G taking hits for not being an elite football conference, etc. My thought on that is, until we start playing each other inter-conference games with presumed elite SE Conf, the only actual data is bowl games. Home and home is where the true action is at in my mind.
but would rather have neither
No to the idea of further expansion, no to UConn, and no to Rutgers and Maryland. I know its too late for those last two, but I will refuse to think of either game as a Big Ten game. They will be weighted out of conference games as far as I am concerned.
Ummm no. UVa and UNC first. Then Syracuse. Then... Someone else.
Without having been able to watch the game, there's no useful opinion I can provide.
Anyone have an FTP site they can upload their recording of the game to? :)
Don't watch. Save yourself.
Their helmets really look like birdshit.
And Marylands helmets are cool??
And bears don't shit in the woods???
Oh sorry. I thought it was non sequitur shouting time.
Maryland, Rutgers, and Penn State don't count as Big Ten teams.
so just the Big Ten teams you choose count?
Ideally I'd prefer to keep Nebraska and get rid of the other three, but if we had to lose the Huskers in order to get rid of the other three, such a trade would be equitable.
Isn't it bad enough we have Rutgers and Maryland coming in?
Maryland is doing pretty good for themselves. hate their unis, but they just shut out wv
Eh, if the B1G expands again, it's gonna be when other conferences expand into super-conferences. 20 team leagues, each with 2 x 10 team divisions. You play the other 9 conference teams then there's a championship, which is a defacto national quarterfinal. 4 winners then go to a 4 team playoff. That's what's gonna happen. So, if we add 6 teams, I have a feeling the Big East will get split up into Pac and B1G with some teams left out. I think the ACC will pick up UConn probably. There will also be some restructuring I imagine.
no offense, but that's completely crazy
My own opinion on this is that the Big Ten already has already established the nature and direction of its East Coast presence, and I am not sure that UConn is necessarily in line with that being that football and potential television revenue seem to be the primary drivers. I would have to think that - if there is further expansion - they go south along the coast before they go north.
absolutely not. we already have a rutgers and Maryland coming.
crappy little stadium in the middle of nowhere.... men's bball is good, but I couldn't care less about women's (sorry if that offends)
There are better options. Not expanding is at the top of the list.
Seeing as we are now a basketball conference, I'm fine with it.
have Miami(Ohio) and thats way down the list.
When the B10 expands again I'd expect them to either go for big names (my expectation/preference being Kansas and Oklahoma) or schools on the east coast more southern than UConn (probably a Virginia school and somebody else). I don't expect UConn to be on the shortlist of potential expansion candidates.
Which probably means they'll add UConn just to make the Rutgers addition look better.
No. They don't belong (but then, neither do Rutgers and Maryland and arguably Penn State and Nebraska, which is, I believe, the lowest-rated institution academically in the B1G).
Their football program is absolutely miserable, there's no other way to see it, and this misery isn't saved by any of the tradition that other B1G programs have.
Worth it for bball.
that I would rather have based on Academics (UVa, UNC), regeneration of forgotten rivalries (Mizzou, Pitt), or to piss of OSU (Cinci). UConn adds absolutely nothing to the table, aside from a good basketball program, to in intrigue me.
I'm not sure about their other sports, but with the additiona of Rutgers and Maryland, we don't gain a lot football wise with UConn. They have a very small stadium and we'll already have a new england presence with Rutgers. Basketball could benefit from a competition standpoint, but I think that's about it. I also don't know where they stand academically which is a big factor in B1G admittance.
Ideally, we wouldn't expand any further, but it will most likely happen at some point with mega-conferences. If that's the case, I think the SEC is going to pilfer the ACC and B12 while the PAC will look to steal B12 teams again. Given that scenario, I think it would be best to steal some southeastern schools and maybe a B12 team or two. Again, I don't know the academics, other sports, etc.... I would like to see the short list containing teams like Oklahoma,Texas, Va Tech, and god a FLA school like Miami or FSU would be a major recruiting opportunity.
As if construction can't happen in the richest state in the country. 15-20,000 seats can be added during an offseason, the stadium was built with that in mind to easily add another level spanning from around each side of the press boxes/suites all the way around. It was part of the original planning of the stadium and is included in the blue prints. If Delaney had an issue, CT governor was sign approval and it would be a 55-60,000 seat stadium in a year.
UCONN athletic department offers athletic success across the board. No other realignment candidate comes close when it comes to on field success, academic rankings and television markets which is what is driving expansion in the first place.
but if UConn is so great why are you guys in the AAC? Why did the Big Ten and ACC pass you over?
Why hasn't it happened?
You still need people to show up for games.
And when you say no other realignment candidate come close...which ones are you considering? North Carolina? Virginia? GT? Heck, even Duke. All those are better academically and get into bigger markets than the 30th sized Hartford & New Haven. And all but Duke probably have better football programs, and the Carolina teams have better basketball programs. Who knows how good U-Conn's basketball program will be post-their one great coach and in a nothing conference.
One correction, Rutgers gets you nothing in New England.
If we're talking 16 teams, Pitt, Mizzou, and either [VaTech and UVA], or [Oklahoma and Oklahoma State]. The former two-pair are obvious package deals. I'd take Kansas and K-State over UConn and who knows. Maybe even Iowa St and Cinci.
Make the Fiesta Bowl a couple years ago, which is more than like 11 or 12 (of the 14) teams in the big 10 can say...
But no. HOWEVA: They could come as a basketball-only member and I would like that
Add 6 more schools. Dump those six, plus Penn State, Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers in the other division. 9 game conference schedule, no crossovers except for the Big Ten championship game (gotta keep that sweet championship game payout, right?).
There, everyone is happy.
Only reason they would be invited is because of basketball.
If we could take in their men's and women's basketball programs, then absolutely. Otherwise, meh, not so much. They don't do much to move the needle nationally in terms of football, and they made the Fiesta Bowl in a year when the Big East was horrifically bad. They finished 8-4 and won their conference. So I'll pass.
I'd rather have UVa, Va Tech, UNC, Ga Tech, and maybe Mizzou or Kansas.
I'm in the minority here, but I would love to get UConn, Pitt, and Syracuse to the B1G. Getting UConn would complete the conquering of NYC as would Syracuse and it would also get use a foothold in the Boston market and further the rivalries that have been established via pro teams footprints and the rivalries that have long been established. As far as getting UVA I don't think that will get us much, there football isn't exactly great and the only athletics they would provide worth anything would be lacrosse.
Plus culturally I think those schools that listed have more in common then the southern schools. I also think they be more inclined to stay within the ACC (which I think if FSU, Clemson, and Va Tech continue there success will be around for a while boasting decent athletic programs with very good to great academics Duke, UNC, UVA , etc) then come here.
If I were betting man I think the Big 12 will fall apart first before the ACC. They're a lot tougher then I think most believe especially if those aforementioned schools can recruit athletes in SEC country and offer the academics the SEC doesn't hold in much regard.
oops. Replied in the wrong place.
Uconn has a strong fan base from basketball and they have a large alumni. If the football program would be more successful they would easily sellout every game even in a larger stadium. Problem is building a program has been difficult and I don't think joining the big ten would help them become a recruiting power. They need a big time hire
UConn adds nothing of additional value, much like my opinion on this thread.
mentioned a lot as a reason for expansion. What makes anyone think UConn is going to be able to continue the kind of success they had without Jim Calhoun and being a severly watered down Big East for basketball?
Thanks but no thanks. Much as I love women's basketball, it would be the only positive in the mighty huskies joining the B1G. It's bad enough we are going to have to deal with Rutgers (loved watching them beat Bielema and his widow's peak) and Maryland. Stop the madness.
What matters now is big media markets for basic cable, never mind that cable itself is becoming increasingly problematic. UConn doesn't bring that. When the B1G steps up to become the B16, it's going to be Georgia Tech and Miami (the U, not NTM).
A lot of posters offer good reasons for them to join and to be excluded but whatever happened to people that enjoy the Midwestern values behind the big ten? We already get our east coast bias filled with the Nitty Lions and adding Maryland and Rutgers isn't of much value. The B1G should never expand and do the following:
- Put Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana and Purdue in the east
- Put Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Nebraska, Iowa and Northwestern in the west
- Reject admission for the two newest memebers (I still can't believe they're in)
In this realm of college football: money, greed and cable deals > tradition. Sigh.
As for Uconn, do not want in the big ten.
69 days til The Game
Me, I'd prefer if we turned the clock back to 1949 and, instead of MSU, invited Pitt as the replacement for Chicago.
If there is going to be 2 more teams added Pitt and Missouri makes the most sense geographically, Texas and Notre Dame make the most sense financially, and Virginia and North Carolina make the most sense realistically.
UConn adds nothing that the Big 10 needs...which probably means that it will be at the top of the list for what actually happens.
There are high schools in Michigan with better stadiums...and more football fans.
Put 'em in the cool blue and other colors division. We've just added two more ugly-ass red teams.
Delaware should join the BIG10 before that, or when hell freezes over.
Barring a major change, not many schools are available. The ACC took a poison pill so that any teams that leave do not have their media rights. Not sure if the Big 12 did the same.
Given that, who is available to be the 15th & 16th teams we would add? With a reduced list of possibilities, I think UConn fits better than most. Realistically, the B1G will only grow, not shrink.
Also, UConn is pursuing AAU membership I believe and is building a new biomedical research faculty that should help up the $ count.
All the talk about inevitable expansion is not based on five super conferences, but four. It will be fueled by the disintegration of the Big 12 or the ACC. There is no way in the world the big five conferences are going to collectively add sixteen more schools. UConn's best hope is that the Big 12 falls apart. They might be a better fit in the ACC or the Big Ten than the leftovers from there.
Absolutely not. If the Big Ten insists on expanding again, they should only do so if they can add quality football programs. Uconn barely deserves to be in D1A. We don't need another bottomfeeder dragging overall strength of schedule down.
In any language. No
It wasn't that long ago that their football program was D-1AA. Their facilities are not big enough to handle football. I know Purdue and Indiana are small but they have been in the B1G forever. UConn brings nothing to the table. The NFL dominates the Northeasternarea of the U.S. College traditions is lacking big time!
wait until we play them again, beat them by 30, and then ask the MGOBLOGGERS. It's been a rough two weeks around here, friend.
I'm still for UVA and UNC. Takes us into the south with two good schools, good hoops, could suggest that the B1G is about something a little more than eyeballs for football. With the move I would like to see some initiative to make the conference alliance mean something academically--200 million from the ESPN money for an initiative to defeat hunger in all ten whatever states, etcetera. Football is eating our children, and the Big Ten needs to distinguish itself from the ugly here soon or just go down as a bad football conference.
And then it needs to start policing itself--obviously, the NCAA can't do it. If PSU is not just eating our children but worse; if MSU is paying its players, let the conference impose something real and deal, and give the damned thing back a bit of integrity. Then when people say the Big Ten sucks, we can honestly say that we don't play by SEC rules.
Dunno if anyone posted this in the past, but it's about as succinct a statement of the current landscape for the Big Ten as you could want:
I'll accept UCONN only if we also get Akron and Appalachian State first.
If they move the stadium 20 miles closer to the college, include all sports and not just football, and (depending on how the rest of this season goes) fire their head coach, then sure. Why the hell not? GO SUPERCONFERENCES!!!
and may God have mercy on your soul.
So I was at the Michigan UCONN game, live in CT and love the Wolverines. If Michigan were to come back to the "Rent" to play UCONN, I WOULD NOT GO! I hated the environment that they had. There was very little focus on the football, they had more advertisements and chessy activities on the field than football it seemed. They were clearly milking the event for every dollar they could. Even selling Michigan gear in the stadium! Some of the UCONN fans that I talked to were only there to see Michigan, not really cheer on their team. They only got excited when they thought there might be an upset. They have no football tradition and have no game engagement. The students must be bused to the arena, so there is very little college football feel. It's all very semi-pro. Talked to other Michigan fans who also said - never again will they step in that stadium.
As for their academic standards, just remember their mens basketball team recieved sanctions.
Never ever in a trillion years.
Sorry in advance for the essay.
I'm not here to talk about how amazing UConn is - if I were a B1G fan, I wouldn't want UConn either, especially after adding the likes of Maryland and Rutgers. But there were some kind of absurd comments in this thread that I had to address.
1. UNC, Virginia, Duke, etc. would be better options for the B1G ... but they don't seem interested in leaving the ACC. I can't for the life of me figure out why not, but UNC especially seems to be set on keeping the ACC alive (they are pretty much the center of power in that conference, so they might not want to relinquish that by leaving).
2. As for UConn's stadium, it was built with the idea in mind that it could easily be expanded. UConn could add about 10-15,000 seats in an offseason if need be. Not gonna defend the stadium being off-campus, though - it absolutely sucked to have to drive there as a student.
3. By itself, I don't think UConn is a huge addition for the B1G. But when you add UConn to Rutgers and Penn State, the conference has a pretty solid footprint in NYC. There seems to be a battle going on between the ACC and B1G for NYC, and out of all the schools left, UConn has by far the biggest presence in the Big Apple. (Heck, UConn has more of a presence in NYC than Rutgers and Syracuse.)
4. I had to laugh at the poster who criticized UConn for being in the middle of nowhere. Uh, aren't most big state schools? What would you call Nebraska? Penn State? Yeah, Storrs is surrounded by pretty much nothing, but it's an hour from Boston and 2 hours from NYC. We're not talking about University Park here.
5. I also had to laugh at the poster who said he'd rather have Syracuse than UConn. Last year, SNY showed a Syracuse men's basketball game on tape delay ... so it could air a UConn's women's basketball game live.
6. UConn also would give the B1G a little bit of penetration into the Boston market. I live a half hour from Boston and get every UConn football, men's basektball and women's bball game on TV. Admittedly, though, college sports aren't big here at all.
Again, I'm not some naive UConn fan who thinks they're this great prize to be won - if we do get into the B1G, it will probably be because better options were not attainable. I just wanted to clarify a few misconeptions out there.