So everyone has critiqued both Alabama and (obviously) Michigan's game, athletes, matchups, staff, etc. Is it a daunting task ahead of Team 133 on Saturday, ofcourse. But this is why the game is played. Fumbles happen. Interceptions happen. Denard making someone look stupid, happens. So let's say hypothetically we get the "W". Where does that put us? early season rankings mean very little but it would definately give us a boost on the rankings. That said, I think if that happens we get 12 first place votes and sit 3rd or 4th in the AP. What would your take be. Edited: First post... didn't think there was much context to it, came across as just a thought.. so added a little to it.
If we win, how many first place votes will we get?
I believe the AP is 65 and then later the coaches poll is 59. Could be wrong
65 and 59 respectively.
...but seriously dont jinx.
Go ahead and jinx Ha-ha.
Easy there, Big Guy. Whoa.
It would only be 12 if we beat them by 2+ tds which is not going to happen.
Why? We have a shot to beat them until that clock hits 0:00. If we are on top, we will for sure get more than one that we have currently. Its just a thought.
somewhere between 0 and all of them
.... A dead horse
Or, in this case, putting the cart before the beating.
Was going to be 53 posts of some variation of this.
Nobody else would have a win that impressive.
except Lane Kiffin's
[edit: lol at the closet USC fan around here]
Airdropping emergency karma supplies...now.
If Michigan wins and I was that one AP voter who gave us a #1 vote, I would make sure to rub it in just a little bit.
He wouldn't care, it's all about the big ten title.
8.765 if my calculations are correct, sir.
Repeating of course...
All of 'em.
All but one. Phil Fulmer would put us fourth.
The real question is: How many of Tom Osbourne's people are out there with votes? We get all the votes except for those. Nebraska gets them.
I think this might lead them into temptation.
41 and 48, respectively.
Somewhere just shy of twenty I'd say, giving us second place overall.
59 head coaches vote in the Coaches' Poll.
60 sportswriters vote in the AP Poll.
That means 119 people have a vote. If we were to beat Alabama, I would go with 118, the sole dissenter being Eric Hansen of the South Bend Tribune, who is still waiting for Don Criqui to see a signal.
Probably 30-25 for USC, 20-25 for Michigan, some for OU and some for FSU.
At least 1.
The more I think about this game, the more I think we have a realistic chance to win. Is this constant thinking just making me delusional?
Its people like the guy who started this stupid thread that are putting that idea in your head. Why don't we start this thread after the game and if we win we can discuss it.
What? Should I have started ANOTHER thread about whether Fitz will play... Come'on man. No one has brought this up and its my first time making a topic.. Chill out
We're supposed to be focusing our time on worrying about the D Line, not how many 1st place votes we'll get IF we win. geesh get with it
Last I checked I don't run out of the tunnel.. Neither do you.. well maybe you do, but I don't. Therefore my concerns don't have to be the same as yours. The outcome is not in my control in anyway shape or form. Besides what does worrying about a d-line gonna do for you if your not physically involved in it... I think its you that needs to get with it, sir.
No I'm pretty sure that before the game, they go through MGoBlog posts and RollBamaRoll posts, and whoever has more game-related topics gets a 2 Touchdown bump
That's more than our offense could ever expect to score against the unbeatable defense Alabama will field Saturday. I say we should start posting, since there's no way we could put up those numbers on the field.
I know you're just being sarcastic, but I'm really sick of hearing how unbeatable and unstoppable certain teams seem to be. It's college football, and all of the players are 18-23 years old. Recruiting can only get you so far, and the number of star recruits on your team does not guarantee wins. Coaching, technique, strategy, and all of the intangibles can put a David ahead of a Goliath on any given Saturday. Obviously this relates to games such as UM-Bama. Let's hope we prepared well enough and execute.
DLine comment - joke
This thread being dumb - no joke
Dear guy who moderated this as flamebait:
I don't think you know what flamebait means.
[NOTE: My post here might actually be flamebait. Feel free to moderate accordingly.]
You are not delusional. You may not have thought it through, but it turns out this is going to be a fantastic Michigan team and there is a good chance that Alabama is significantly worse than they were a year ago (and I'm not convinced they were an unstoppable juggernaut last year).
Al Borges has said it takes about 18 months to grasp and execute his offense. He's been here more than 18 months now. Executing that offense is the most productive offensive player in U-M history, playing in his senior year. We bring back 4 starters on the o-line, including an all-B1G LT. The newcomer is a 5th year senior who was a 4-star recruit. We return a 1,000 yard RB, a utility guy with over 1,100 yards rushing and 15 total TDs in his career, plus a stable of talented young backs. At WR we have a guy who was the 2nd most productive receiver in B1G games in 2010 and holds the single game Michigan record for receiving yards. We also have a guy who crushed ND's soul and finished 2nd on the team in receiving yards a year ago, now in his 4th year on campus. We added two talented freshmen, have a few other potential contributors on the roster (Dileo, Robinson) and may get a huge boost from super-athlete Devin Gardner.
On defense we lose two starters and one other participant from the group that held David Wilson (he went pretty high in the draft) to 3.4 YPC in the Sugar Bowl and gave up only 20 points to Va Tech (the lowest total for a Michigan D in a bowl game since the 1997 season). Those guys will be replaced in the starting line up by 300+ pound, 4+ star recruits, both in their 4th season on campus. They will be backed up by a 4-star, 300+ pound RS sophomore and a 5-star 300+ pound freshman. Of the returning contributors, one was a RS freshman who made 4 TFL in that game. One was a true freshman DE who picked off a pass and made a number of key tackles. One was a true freshman WLB who made 10+ tackles. One was a true freshman who started at corner. Guys like Courtney Avery and Thomas Gordon (both of whom played QB in high school and likely did not practice much at DB) played as sophomores. All of them are going to get significantly better this season. The back-ups include guys like Cam Gordon (freshman all-American in 2010), Brandin Hawthorne (key pick against Northwestern, key PBU and two big 3rd down stops against ND, started 5 games last year), Marvin Robinson, Josh Furman, and Raymon Taylor. To that group we add a bunch of talented freshman like Bolden, Ross, Wilson, etc. Oh, and, you know, Brennen Beyer will get much improved as well (sorry I forgot to include him).
Alabama loses 5 of the top 35 players taken in the NFL draft, and 8 total draft picks, not to mention a number of free agents. I doubt the situations are similar/identical, but the last time we had a group like that leave, the Horror and Oregon happened shortly thereafter.
There is a lot of talent on our team that has had time to gel and learn the ways of this regime. But I think there is also something to be said for it being the first game when no one has seen your hand yet. Hoke , Borges, mattison, denard, kovacs, down to glanda... Them boys are not going to just show up and make an appearance. They are going to do everything in their power to win obviously. Your a fool if you don't think Hoke wants to start off 1-0 against bama. It can be done. That's why "where there is a will there is away" is a great saying. You can't count out ones determination, no matter the odds against him/her
You have been high on this team for a long time; if Michigan is able to pull off the upset, you have every right to throw up copious "I told you so" posts next week.
I'm not as sanguine as you about our prospects, but the recurring memory I keep having is of the Notre Dame and Syracuse games in 1998. Coming off a national championship and with one of the highest-rated recruiting classes we ever had, I fully expected Michigan to mop the floor with both those teams--instead, we started 0-2 and got bounced from the rankings. UM recovered to go 10-3 that year, and finished witha higher ranking and better record than both ND and Syracuse. But fot those two weeks in September, we weren't better than either of those two teams.
Everyone seems to be just assuming 2012 Alabama will be just as good as 2011 Alabama. They definitely have the talent to be. But that doesn't necessarily mean it will happen--or if it does, that it will happen right away. I don't expect Michigan to win, but the idea isn't crazy talk. (Personally, I think it's more a case of people not wanting to get their hopes up and then have them dashed.)
MOAR than 1
Over 9000! check it again. It might be broken.
Bill Asmussen is that you?
Bo's gonna come down from heaven and hit us in the ass with a lightning bolt if we keep this up much longer...
How many votes can I trade for beer? Oh...never mind.
sickeninger to see UM fans here say we have no chance.
They won 2 national championships in 3 years with the same coach, constantly reeling in top recruits and developing them "football wise" very well. They scheme defensively to take away your strengths and make you play your weakest abilities first. They are a very tough opponent. Their record with who they played says this much. Are they thd same team that they were last year? time will tell. Yes we can beat them and yes I believe we will... But it wont be easy. That's why daunting is appropriate.
Come on people. We all know that what really matters is how many mgopoints they get.
Judging by your screenname, I would guess that you are either of the followng things: a resident of Lubbock, TX, or RDT's latest user name. Am I correct?
I'm actually a grad student at Tech. That, however, doesn't mean that there isn't a chance that I'm RDT.
I am a former grad student at Tech, but will be moving back permanently soon. I don't live there now, otherwise I would be going. Just saw your username and was curious.
Enjoy your time outside of Lubbock. You may miss it. And when you come back bring some rain.
If being back "soon" means during this season, find me on here again. I could always use a Michigan game watching friend. Right now it's just me and my lonesome yelling at various T.V.s
Oh! I just looked at your name. This all makes much more sense now. Glad to know I'm not the only Michigan fan here. Are you going to Dallas on Saturday?
I love my mgopoints.
I'm now blaming you.
Hypothetical what if's don't constitute being jinxed. I didn't BK finest it.
So I booted up the WOPR and threw this question at it. The answer is pi. The answer, "Pi", sounded an awful lot like Stephen Hawking as well.
Did not get enough love.. I laughed really hard at the WOPR. Well played sir
ALL OF THEM!
If Michigan wins we will be number 1! Hell we would have beaten the NC from last year, WTF!
We need a "If we lose, how far will we drop?" thread to counteract this one.
So I say eleventy-two of them.
I think a win gives Michigan a jump (obviously) but I can hear a lot of "fluke beating the SEC" talk. Respect won't come easily. A loss (respectable loss: within 2 scores) and Michigan won't drop out of top 12
All of them except for Bob Asmussen who decides that the win wasn't impressive enough to keep Michigan his #1
are Phillip Fulmer and Ron Zook voting?
Tremendous. Lets focus on that first though fergodsakes.
I'd love for bama to get thrown around like inbred donkeys but I don't see it happening, we could win though. Top 5 is as high as I'd go but not #1.
I would rank us favorites to win the Big Ten however. :)
If we win, I would expect to get all of them. The realist inside knows that if we win we would be hard pressed to get a third of the votes. There would be some of the voters that would say that 'Bama wasn't as good as we thought...or LSU was the class of the SEC anyway!
We should make out okay if we win or lose because we will compete well. This is not going to be a blow out IMO. If they whip us pretty good...then they should be #1, they will deserve it.