Title really says it all. Opinions or inside info on the situation??
If we dont get Kozan do we take another OL in 2013??
(In before a Yuri Wright or Demar Dorsey joke.)
((or Diggs, damn you.))
Walk on city baby.
I don't think we need a 6th lineman in the class.
Kugler looks to be our option at Center. Really skilled, good size, and his dad is an O line coach with the Steelers. At this point not a big deal if we miss out on Kozan.
Best to forget about Kozan, I don't think he even knows where he's going.
Do we know whether Kozan's offer is still committable?
I think if Tunsil or Pocic come knocking we snap take either one.....other than that I think we are sitting pretty pretty good
Personally, I'd continue recruiting in case anything unexpected happens with one of the current commits (decommitment, qualification issue, etc.), but I wouldn't plan to go higher than five - and I'd communicate that to the current commits. That's partly because I think the additional scholarship(s) is better used elsewhere but also because I think bringing in more guys in one class than there are OL positions might lead to someone getting cold feet. If I were the coaching staff, my primary goal with OL recruiting right now would be to get this group as close with one another, the coaches, and the university more generally as possible.
This is an amazing group that could do great things together, and I'd be thrilled if these are the guys we end up with on Signing Day.
I agree that bringing in more guys than positions creates an odd situation (you pretty much know that half the guys in the group won't ever get a chance to start) but I don't know that it prevents you from landing commits. Stanford had 4 linemen in the fold (three 4-stars) and was still able to add Garnett late and two 5-stars on signing day. Who knows if taking that many guys at one position will end up being good business, but cold feet didn't seem to be an issue.
I'm guessing (much like with kids admitted to law school all thinking they will finish in the top 25% of their class) that most recruits think they will end up playing no matter how many other players are in the fold. Or at least they can be talked into thinking that way.
Good point, but I think that part of the reason that it worked out for Stanford was that those guys committed so late that the existing commits didn't have much time to second-guess themselves.
Is Kozan a 5* program changing left tackle or something? Why are we so enamored with him?
He can play C.
Khoury? Miller? And Krugler just committed for the 2013 class. I don't know the stats, but it seems that most players that wait this long to commit don't do well over their 4 years.
Who is this Krugler everyone keeps mentioning?
Personally, I'm worried most about 2013, when Khoury will be gone and Kugler will be a true frosh. We'll have no real back-up center, and very little OL depth at all, outside of the true frosh.
The fact that Kozan is a year older than these 2013 guys and would be here this fall makes him more valuable.
It's like people didn't even watch the Sugar Bowl. Molk goes down, Khoury gets nervous. Since the next guy in the depth chart was Miller, a true freshman, we end up playing Molk for the game despite the fact he only has one good leg.
No C in 2012 means a depth chart of two for awhile. One injury or one guy not developing then means a problem.
Kalis or Magnuson could play center if we needed them to. Their taller than would be ideal, but they would do fine.
Kozan why do we care ...??
The coaches were clearly prepared to take 6-7 guys in the 2012 class but ended up with only 4 (so far). After next season we lose at least 4 offensive linemen to graduation (Lewan will definitely get NFL interest as well).
Just to tread water we need to take 4-5 and Coach Hoke has talked about wanting to lift the overall numbers to 14-16 (we'll have 12 in 2012). Considering the offers that are still out there, I'm pretty sure we'd take one or two more blue-chip guys if they wanted to commit.
We can flip Diggs or DGB? I also wonder if Reeves, Elmer, Wright, or Kiel want to come on board?
When is "/s" repetively redundant?
Is labeled redundant when I already said it was repetively redundant does that tear a whole in the fabric of the space time continum?
I wuz shure i spelt moore wordz rong then dat.
UHHHHH a little late to the show . . . . we are still trying to flip Elmer per Sam Webb.
Elmer's dad has subsequently put the kibosh on any chance of flipping. But who knows.
We're just one "Brian Kelly meltdown on TV causing him to get suspended or fired" away from pouching Elmer.
Hey, it could happen.
through my sources, that kozan is going over his offers in an undisclosed location while having a tea party with his Teddy bear companion "Fred."
At this point, do we really WANT Kozan? The commits that we are getting are great, in part, because they WANT to be Michigan Men. It seems to me that if Kozan really WANTED to be a Michigan Man that he would have committed to us shortly after not sending in his LOI to Iowa. Even if he decided tomorrow that he wanted to become a Wolverine, I don't know how I would feel about that. Is his heart going to be in it? Is he really going to buy into the team, or is he going to leave after a year if he isn't getting playing time?
I hate to say that I don't WANT a highly ranked prospect, but I am leaning towards saying I would prefer that he DIDN'T come to play here.
Totally agree. Even before the OL avalanche of the last week, I was thinking that I would not be to excited if I heard that Kozan had picked Michigan. Now, it's like who cares?
The only situation I can see being excited about having him is if his delay has been due to some kind of disagreement with his parents... like, he wanted Michigan all along, but they wanted Iowa. Otherwise, his prolonged indecision is nothing but concerning. And yes, he's only a kid, cut him some slack... but being a kid didn't stop hundreds of other 2012 recruits from making a decision.
We can still sign Nick Perry and Rojo?
Prefer we stick to 5 in this class and spread out the OL depth. Take another 4 guys in 2014, and another 4 in 2015. With some attrition and maybe a successful walk-on that should put us in the 15-16 range.
Is Kozan respectively declining to talk to media? Just wondering there hasen't been anything regarding him anywhere. Time is running out.
Kozan still has three months if someone is willing to wait that long.
I thought we were all opperating on RDT's theory that Kozan is actually the Lindbergh Baby? That Kozan isn't going to school, because then they'd find out he's actually 107 years old.
I dare someone to prove me wrong.
To prove me wrong, you'd have to get in contact with Alex Kozan. No one can get in touch with him. Coincidence? I think not.
I was under the impression that Kozan actually has Benjamin Button syndrome, I.e. he committed when he was 18, but then got too young and is now closing in on diapers
Did someone mention a vision quest?
we have the greatest wrestling movie ever showing up on the board. Thank you sir for this it made my day.
We opened up three buttons, but all we saw was desert trash
Don't be ridiculous...
We shouldn't, at this point, count on or even think about Kozan. If we had that in mind, we would take another this year, but I'm not sure if they even want one.
Has anyone filed a missing persons report on him yet?
Reggie Bush do you insiders think we take another RB this year? I really think it is between U of M and USC IMO.
I heard ND is also in the mix
I think the staff will continue to recruit Laremy Tunsil and Ethan Pocic. Elite prospects like that shouldn't be turned away under any circumstances. But other than that, I think we're set on the OL.
It's not like they don't have a history of reportedly turning away elite prospects. Schutt? Pittman? O'Brien?
I don't think our staff considered O'Brien or Schutt to be elite, and there may have been other circumstances at play for Pittman.
I think the staff will pursue other elite OL just to keep the numbers up in case they (probably won't happen) have a recruit that decides to visits to other schools like Pharoah Brown did. I don't see any of these current commits doing that, but who thought Caleb Stacey would decommit a week out from NSD.
Plus didn't we still have spots available from the last class? We could have taken 28, but only got 25, so shouldn't there be a couple of spots left to fill hopefully with this class
I'll offer a non-sarcastic/trolling addition. But I'll raise the stakes with a request for paywalled "info" (theory, really.)
Sam Webb tweeted yesterday that landing Kugler (& his missing r) may help with Kozan. Anyone care to offer an abridged version of why that might be?
Seems odd to me as well considering they both play center
I wondered if perhaps Kozan didn't want to be pegged for C only (maybe wanting more of the C/G option) and that more options who could play C meant that Kozan wouldn't be forced there if he was a better fit at G.
That's all I could come up with, but I don't have $$ access to Webb's articles.
Kozan doesn't want to play center. That is why it may be a help in landing him.
And if true, probably makes him less desirable to us as a prospect. In the plus side he's a highly-rated lineman who would arrive next season and begin his development. On the negative side, there are probably some other possibilities on the board for this year who grade out higher.
Wonder if the "bird in the hand" philosohpy will come into play here at all, if he ever becomes inclined to Go Blue.
It almost seems to me like he won't even play this year
Kozan really pumps my nads!
If he wanted to come here he would've been here by now.
Then he must not want to play college football anywhere.