Does that mean we win the 2004 Rose Bowl?
Hoke was top notch at this aspect of his job.
no, they should have to repay the money they received from winning though, it that makes you feel better
No, vacating is not the same thing as forfeiting. Don't get your hopes up. Nobody's going to have wins added to their record.
Which is the right thing to do. Claiming a Rose Bowl victory via forfeit would be pretty lame.
We weren't going to win that game even if he hadn't played. They were just better than us.
they were better than us is because they CHEATED. Can't be sure to what extent, but imagine it was widespread.
And who says we didn't "cheat"? Do you have any idea how hard it is to run a perfectly clean program?
I thought that whole thing was dead. Are there new developments?
on their crimes and punishment:
their punishment is supposed to be handed down this week
As far as I know all the illegal benefits Bush allegedly received started coming in the offseason between his sophomore and junior seasons. If he is found to have been ineligible and USC vacates wins, I think it would just be from the 2005 season (where they lost to Texas in the Rose Bowl).
Although, presumably, the NCAA considers each investigation and judgement "separately", they're not so stupid that they don't consider the perception of multiple judgements issued more or less simultaneously. If they throw the book at USC, they'll probably not want to be seen as being "soft" on Michigan. Therefore, I am holding my breath.
On the other hand, if they give USC a pass, (or issue a judgement that amounts to same) for systematic violation of the rules regarding "amateur" athletes, they can't very well punish UM for what amounts to a few minutes of stretching time being omitted from "practice time."
You have a faith in the sanity of that organization that I don't think is justified.
Oh, that brings back good memories.
"Tatupu said the Trojans ran five new blitzes on the Wolverines. Coach Pete Carroll refused to reveal what he saw that made him come so hard with the corners. Whatever he saw, corners Marcell Almond and Will Poole got the first two sacks, and on the opening drive. Poole sacked John Navarre again on the first play of the second quarter, running forever before he reached the quarterback.
"When [Michigan] said, 'We better take care of the corner pressure,' that really heated up the guys inside," Carroll said. "We really could have easily had 12 sacks."
The heads of the offensive linemen turned into Lazy Susans. The rest of them looked a little lazy and a little Susan, too. Michigan gave up 15 sacks all season, but nine on Thursday.
"It was a guessing game," Michigan offensive tackle Tony Pape said. "They usually rushed with their four down guys. This time they didn't. They had a lot of five- and six-man blitzes. It really wasn't the blitzing guy who made the tackles. It was the guys going one-on-one. You don't want to give up nine sacks. That's a terrible statistic.""
I like Terry Malone in general, but he got his ass completely handed to him that game.
Maybe WolverineHistorian can put together a highlight tape of all of our great plays from that game, it will be about 1 minute long as opposed to his usual 10 minutes.
I'd rather see USC get off completely than get a phony "punishment" like vacating wins. With vacated wins, there is the facade of the program having paid penance without any actual consequence. If they are not going to get legitimately punished, then I would rather that they carry the guilt of cheaters who got away with it.
We get to play USC with Gallon, Odoms and D-Rob in 2011.
Really, we're hoping for retribution via forfeited wins? Let RR get a chance at Kiffin...on the field.
We could print up t-shirts for 'Ro$e Bowl Champs'
do you have to put /sarcasm after everything these days?
People don't like the dollar signs man. That's what's killin' ya.
It was a joke, as in a play on the fact that we don't like them. Meant to be lighthearted, as in not $erious
I don't $weat it really.
I blame many things on the former President but I don't see how our loss to USC can be blamed on him.
Come on guys, I know NO POLITICS and all, but this was legitimately funny. I don't even agree with the "I blame many things on the former President" but I still laughed. Not worth the negs.
Thanks. I'll take the negs if someone got a kick out of it.