That's a fantastic story.
coaches say you can't, so don't sign a loi
That's a fantastic story.
That was a good read.
...the one thing every good marketer knows is that the most important thing you need to build a brand is a quality product (or, more accurately, a perception of quality).
And DB's head coaches throughout the dept. know that if they don't get to a point where they're in the hunt for B1G titles almost every year, they're gone.
Downhill since Bo died the day before the '06 Ohio game.
Our basketball team was in the national title game, the big chill, Hunwick, under the lights, Denard Robinson - all of that has been pretty unexpected too, and in a positive way.
Other unexpected negatives: uniformzzzz, Special K
What happened to Those who stay will be champions? How did we fall so far away people including me complained about Lloyd but hell even he had his ups after a disappointing season. 1996, 2001, 2005 were disappointments but u always had the feeln that we'd bounce back I don't have that feeling anymore. Even those disappointing seasons still had some good wins against ranked teams. How many ranked teams have we beaten in the last 6 years??
We could see it coming 7 years ago. Carr was not recruiting anybody and his teams were horrible. Played the most boring football ever. Then he sabatoged Rodriguez and we know what happened from there. Brandon though he needed a Michigan man but there were none avail so he hired Hoke.
Just left the barbershop, my barber is a Michigan fan also and in the middle of my haircut I say; I'm sick of being a laughing stock when is this going to change. He went into how all we need is a receiver or two to step up next year things will get better but I fear it's much deeper than that. Bottom line is this: if we go into next season with the same coaching staff things will only get worse. And what really pisses me off about the state of affairs when it comes to our football team is I know sparty and ohio are just tickled pink by our misfortune.
Would've gone to grad school somewhere else
This is michigan
I would have said, "wow, yiu mean instead of trying to get back on an even footing with osu we now have slightly worse records and are still losing to them in heartbreaking ways?"
Bama was in bad shape then too. They just came off of probation and missed out on coach Rich Rod who turned them down for a better job. Funny what a difference a few years can make.
Lloyd Carr's team made 4 appearances at the Rose Bowl during his tenure. Their last appearance was in 2007. How long will it take for Michigan to return to the Rose Bowl?
Carr had one great team and some good teams and a few nice bowl wins but largely we were 8-4 and 9-3. Fans were in uproar over his porous defenses at the end. Made it to Rose Bowls but embarrassed against USC twice if I recall and throttled by Tenn in the Citrus. It's been the exception vs rule that we have had truly great national contending teams since the 70's and Harbaugh teams of mid 80s. Of course the Big 10 was weaker in the 70s than now.
Fire Hoke? Borges, et al? Hire hot-coach-of-the-moment, and go through yet another transition period, only to find that hot-coach-of-the-moment isn't the second coming of Bo... wash, rinse, repeat ... Congrats, we're Notre Dame!
yup. 4 of the worst years in michigan history have been in the last seven, i'd say. 2007, 2008, 2010, 2013. 2013 might have been the worst, all things considered. im a little nuts but i thought we'd be undefeated going against osu.
i want to see this regime succeed. i wish the previous regime hadnt been given the short end (imo). firing people is not a cure all, unless we're bringing in saban or harbaugh (we're not).
to play devil's advocate, maybe this was just a bad football team this year and not indicative of the coach's ability. maybe akron and uconn were fair representations of who this team is. maybe the coaches did well just to get a winning record out of this team. maybe the coaches have the foundations for a successful program, but couldnt overcome the short term mistakes of the last guy (especially an awful 2010 recruiting class).
im pissed at hoke and co too. but i want winnnig football again. it can happen with them. i dont agree with that last paragraph entirely (the psu loss was their fault. they overreacted to our best playmaker turning the ball over), but i think people are just (rightfully) pissed right now.
the team less excited about the bowl game is usually the one that loses. last ngiht was fairly predictable.
To be honest, I thought as far back as 10 years ago, during the 2003 season that Michigan was on the verge of being a mediocre program. There were brief glimpes of hope (almost getting to the National Championship in 2006, hiring Rich Rodriguez before we knew it wasn't going to work). However overall, none of this is the least bit surprising to me.
But right after the game. . . reeling from the loss of the game and of Bo. I would have agreed with you this was coming.
I often get mocked on this board about the significance of losing Bo. He dominated the culture of the program the moment he set foot on campus. And when he died the cult of personality went with him. We were no longer a united front, Lloyd lost his edge (and four games in a row including App state.) We had the bungled coaching search. The destructive infighting and so on and so forth. History is riddled examples, with governments, with corporations, with football teams, any organization that was led by a domineering force who dictated the culture would crumble after that force left the scent. . . how many times have you heard this team is trying to find an identity? Our identity died with Bo. We always harken back to "those who stay." but those are just empty words now. Not until someone can come in and fill the void and create a culture that everyone will buy into. Perhaps that's why everyone wants Harbaugh to be here so badly. He can coach obviously, but he has the connection with Bo that the old timers would want and he has the character to define a culture and identity that can lead Michigan back to greatness again.
I have real concerns about the football team. Other sports in the athletic department are flourishing and facility improvement has been wonderful. But the bottom line is that football is king at Michigan. For two years I have been feeling the football team has been ill prepared. It appears to me that we are getting decent players but they aren't playing to their potential. That falls squarely on the coaching staff. I don't want to hear about young teams this and young team that. There are plenty of other young teams and many teams with players that are not as talented (by ratings) as Michigan is. It starts with coaching. Hoke recruits very well but if this staff can't coach then it's not going to work. No assistant coach is guaranteed a job at this point and that includes both coordinators. If Hoke can't fix the disconnect that is going on with this team then he has to go also. The disconnect is this team being unprepared to play. Lack of effort, penalties, line play and anything else you can come up with. We as fans are being told to stay supportive of these 19 to 23 year old young men. I agree in part. But when I have to pay the heavy price for 4 seats and the others fees then I expect to see a decent product. I'm not upset at the student athlete as much as I am upset at the AD and the coaching staff. Get it fixed soon or Michigan will turn into an all so ran. Forget about the Michigan Man ideals. Bo wasn't a Michigan Man. He created the Michigan Man thing. It's time to stop yakking Michigan Man and time to start getting a staff together that will coach these kids up and make them better than they think they can be. The result will be football wins. Then I'll be happy.
Makes me sick, motherfucker, how far we done fell.
I would say they are lucky they have fans like me and others here who are wolverines for life and plan to stick it out. There will be better seasons and I look forward to them.
I wasn't surprised to see the Rose Bowl loss to USC, but even I was flabbergasted at how badly Michigan played. I just thought that the program would continue its pattern: have great potential and preseason top ten ranking but find a way to lose 3 or 4 games, depending on the strength of the bowl opponent.
The Appy State game was bad, but the Oregon debacle was the worst indication that MIchigan couldn't defend elite teams, especially those that run spread offenses. They are still having trouble, unless giving up 42 points to Ohio constitutes a "good" performance.
I am looking forward to the next two years, when we will truly see what Hoke and Co. are capable of doing.
I think the brand has been diminished, certainly in the eyes of many key recruits. We may be relegated to middle-of-the-pack status for years to come.
The luster has worn off the coaching staff, too. Hoke, Mattison and Borges had tremendous momentum and gravitas coming in, but I think the staff is showing signs of the Peter Principle and recruits are questioning the direction of the program.
Sadly, I objectively see the trend toward mediocrity continuing for the foreseeable future.