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If RR Learned Anything From His Time At Michigan, He Will...

Congratulations to Rich Rodriguez for getting a new HC position at Arizona!

3 And Out outlined a lot of ways that Rodriguez could have taken several simple steps to minimize his pain at Michigan, but that he was simply too green behind the ears to know. He was an insider at WVU and Tulane, and therefore didn't know how to handle himself as an outside coming into a big-time program.

If RR has learned anything from his time at Michigan, what will he do? I'm curious what you all think. From what I gathered from Bacon's book and my own observation:

- Get a solid defensive coordinator, and then immediately follow that up with Barwis and the rest of his ideal staff.

- Begin recruiting his QB of the future immediately.

- Make sure there are no traditions that he could possibly be trampling.

- Clean out all of the old guard in the Athletic Department that he can, from the compliance officers to the PR folks. No leaks. No drama. No one who compares him to Stoops. His people, everywhere.

- Ingratiate himself with boosters and local fans. Never visiting M Club meetings until the year he was fired was a serious tactical error; even the people that liked him didn't have access to him.

- Build a political base of support with the President, Regents, etc. Golf rounds with AZ bigwigs should be as important as visiting recruits' homes. He needs to generate goodwill and survivability from Day 1.

- Never, ever speak off the cuff in front of the press. Give Belichik-style deadpan answers and never touch any question dealing with off-field questions.

 

What do ya'll think? Anything further he should do to set himself up to have a long and succesful run at Arizona?

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:03 PM | respect the impact of the defense (Score:2 Normal)
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on the game, that it's not out there primarily to give the offense a breather. If he did that at his last stop, he might still be there.

You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. ~Dan Birdwell

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:06 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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His bread and butter is offense. He must have felt pressure to prove his offense would work in the B1G, and overlooked the Personnel issues on D (although some of it was unpredictable).

Touchdown Michigan!

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:52 PM | Defense? Show Highlights of Arizona's Desert Swarm Teams (Score:2 Normal)
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1. Bear down mantra / Beat ASU

2. Highlight Rob Gronkowski and T Bruschi to current players and recruits

3. Referring to Jason Terry of the Mavericks ain't bad either

4, Line-up as many U of A girls as 'hostess' as possible

5. Lock-down Arizona and CA recruiting 

6. Make sure the AD isn't an aloof, self-involved tyrant who wants to reset Arizona traditions

Michigan Men by choice, recognized by deeds, tested and proven by time.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:49 AM | Get Tate (Score:5 Normal)
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Get Tate to transfer from San Jose State if sitting out this year will allow him start right away. Just kidding...sort of.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:04 PM | In 2012? (Score:1 Normal)
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Beat the living hell out of ASU. USC would be a nice bonus, but I don't think it's exactly expected.

Go Blue!

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:05 PM | Articulating (Score:1)
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how much he cares about beating ASU and then doing so is a great one; rivalry games were definitely one of the nails of his coffin at Michigan. Good one!

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:08 PM | If Three and Out is even (Score:1 Normal)
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If Three and Out is even remotely correct with his treatment of OSU, ND and MSU, it's really a headscratcher why he didn't say the same things in public. If he had taken some of those notecards he had for the team to the pressers, it would have been a different meme from day one (maybe not day one, you could really see the difference between Martin's coaching of RR and DB's of Hoke, DB was miles [lol] better at that).

Go Blue!

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:15 PM | Yeah (Score:1)
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Bacon's recollection of his speech before the Wisconsin and OSU games made me want to jump up and suit up and throw some blocks on the field myself.

Really mystifying that his podium demeanor was so devoid of the passion he clearly showed the team. Perhaps he's a guy that likes to keep that private, but then he should have a Lloyd-style "Fort Arizona" media policy.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:04 PM | UM and Arizona HFC positions (Score:5 Normal)
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UM and Arizona HFC positions are not even remotely comparable. 

Missing Ann Arbor

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:05 PM | This Is Best Answered... (Score:2 Underrated)
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This is perhaps best answered by an Arizona alum, but I would imagine that good PR and good hires help  (this covers nearly every point mentioned). Beyond that, I think they just need to give him time to build a winner (or as near as can be) in Arizona. 

"Funny isn't it, how naughty dentists always make that one fatal mistake."

Follow the random tweets of a Michigan alum - http://twitter.com/#!/LorneEC3

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:06 PM | Just get a good DC and win (Score:1)
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Just get a good DC and win games.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 10:20 AM | Yes, he needs to keep himself (Score:1)
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Yes, he needs to keep himself on the Offense and hire a great DC and then delegate to him, not dictate a 3-3-5 or what ever. He must let the DC make the Defense.

 

Semper Fidelis

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:02 PM | That (Score:1)
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is a key point! Don't dictate the defensive scheme. Choose a DC you trust and unleash him.

 
"True loyalty is that quality of service that grows under adversity and expands in defeat. Any street urchin can shout applause in victory, but it takes character to stand fast in defeat. One is nois
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November 21st, 2011 at 11:07 PM | Pretty sure RR knows what he (Score:1 Normal)
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Pretty sure RR knows what he needs to do to be successful, but go-ahead and leave your number. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Cpt. Ass-Hat

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:09 PM | He apparently didn't at U-M (Score:1)
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but the reasons weren't as obvious as many thought (e.g. never visiting the M Club or building a base of support); Bacon really opened my eyes to how a lot of behind-the-scenes things did Rodriguez in.
 

Just curious if the MGoBlog community had any more insight.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:13 PM | Not even gonna touch this (Score:3 Normal)
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Not even gonna touch this one.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:07 PM | He will make sure Drew Sharp (Score:5 Normal)
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He will make sure Drew Sharp isn't hired at the local paper in Arizona.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:08 PM | Nowadays, However... (Score:1)
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Trolls will troll. Sharp only needs the Internet. 

"Funny isn't it, how naughty dentists always make that one fatal mistake."

Follow the random tweets of a Michigan alum - http://twitter.com/#!/LorneEC3

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:10 PM | It would be deeply amusing (Score:3 Normal)
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to see round-the-clock football coverage of Arizona in the Freep, with Sharp insisting all the while that he has no grudge against Rodriguez.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:10 PM | Yes, because Drew Sharpe was (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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Yes, because Drew Sharpe was the root of all of Rich Rodriguez's problems, that makes sense. 

NO Music, Concerts, Ads, "Playing Dress-Up", Night Games, 3:30 Games, Neutral Site Games, And No MASCOTS

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:32 PM | No (Score:5 Normal)
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Just the root of all evil

Twitter // Recruiting Work// Email

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:36 PM | I will figure out your (Score:3 Normal)
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I will figure out your MGoAlterEgo. This is my mission.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:08 PM | Not coach at U of M (Score:1 Normal)
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he's off to a good start

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:09 PM | He should... (Score:2 Normal)
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Remember to say "Bear Down Arizona" at least twice during his opening press conference.

Know the backstory of Bear Down Arizona.

Mention the names of a few players that the fans love.

Hire a defensive coordinator who is smart and that Rich will not want to micromanage.

Hire some assts with connections to CA and TX. He's got Florida covered by himself.

BEAT ASU. They should be going through a coaching change of their own so he should have a good shot in his first year.

Bond with EVERYONE in a leadership position at the University and attend numerous booster events.

Find the next Denard Robinson.

"This is Michigan for God's sake."

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:23 PM | Technically, (Score:2 Informative)
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it was *Michigan* Assistant Band Director Jack K. Lee that penned the lyrics to Bear Down Arizona (before he got the job as Band Director at Arizona).  Probably shouldn't mention that at the introductory presser, though, RR.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:09 PM | Kick Michael Rosenberg in the nuts (Score:5 Normal)
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if he shows up in Tucson.


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November 21st, 2011 at 11:11 PM | This post (Score:1)
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is what we call "free karma" on Reddit

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:10 PM | I don't know about this whole (Score:2)
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I don't know about this whole cleaning shop thing.  I would think that might be more of an overreaction - head coaches are super busy as it is, he can't micromanage everything, and who's to say a new hire is gonna be better than someone who has been doing it for a while?

Obviously there are some issues with putting your faith in some things, but that's just a fact of life that you will need to at some point.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:10 PM | Hire a special teams coach (Score:2 Normal)
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Hire a special teams coach

 

 

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:11 PM | connect with (Score:5 Normal)
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local highschool coaches and lock the state down first.  Hire a Def Coordinator with NFL experience and success, then hire staff that complement the Def Coordinator.  

One aspect of RRs undoing at Mich is he alienated local high school coaches.  Who inturn gave Dave Brandon an earful (my speculation) at least this was hinted at or alluded to.  Mich highschool coaches did not like RR pulling talent from Florida and overlooking some Mich kids.

Finally pepper the recruiting classes with California talent.

 "Runnnn!!! get to da choppa"

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:13 PM | Relationships with HS coaches (Score:1 Normal)
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Excellent one. Bacon doesn't touch on it, but yeah, many HS coaches felt frozen out by Rodriguez. For that matter, so did alums. This is a biggie.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 8:01 AM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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W

Chaos is found in greatest abundance wherever order is being sought.  It always defeats order because it is better organized. 

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November 22nd, 2011 at 8:05 AM | Whoops (Score:1)
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Er... West Texas is a good ground for UA as well. Interested to see his recruiting patterns there.

Chaos is found in greatest abundance wherever order is being sought.  It always defeats order because it is better organized. 

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:13 PM | It's Arizona, not Michigan. (Score:4 Normal)
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He won't have to do half of the things there that he should've done here.

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:15 PM | Don't bring up... (Score:5 Normal)
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the Lion King at press conferences.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:15 PM | It has to go beyond just (Score:2 Normal)
UMgradMSUdad
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It has to go beyond just getting a good DC.  He has to get a good DC and let the DC run the defense he knows and believes in with quality position coaches. This might be easier said than done, though.  If I were a good DC, I would be very hesitant to take a job at Arizona, unless I had assurances of being able to run the defense I wanted with position coaches I knew and trusted and 100% support in recruiting defensive players.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:19 PM | He will ... (Score:3 Normal)
wresler120
Joined: 10/17/2010
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Post a non Rich Rod related thread on MGoBlog

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:17 PM | Respect the chain of command, downward. (Score:3 Normal)
Yeoman
Joined: 06/08/2011
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Let the defensive coordinator control scheme and staff, and never, ever, give even the appearance of supporting the position coaches over the coordinator.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:19 PM | Deadpan: (Score:5 Normal)
gulo gulo
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I'm only interested in talking about coaches who coach for Michigan.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:20 PM | Don't try to force a statue (Score:2 Normal)
TheHoke.TheHoke...
Joined: 01/15/2011
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Don't try to force a statue qb into running zone reads.  Worry about teaching fundamentals, not scheme.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 AM | That statue quarterback was a (Score:3 Normal)
BigBlue02
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That statue quarterback was a freshman and wasn't good as a junior in a pro set. Running zone read wasn't what made that offense suck. Lack of talent is what made that offense suck

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:23 PM | Call teddy bruschi (Score:3 Normal)
TrppWlbrnID
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And the other Arizona football player.

2013 resolution - make it onto the 2014 favorite MGoPosters post, not ironically
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November 21st, 2011 at 11:24 PM | Beat Toledo! (Score:5 Funny)
MGoPAR
Joined: 10/27/2011
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It is apparently U of A's first game in 2012!

 

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-12/pac-10/2012-arizona-wildcats-football...

"This is Michigan for God's sake."

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:25 PM | LOL (Score:2 Normal)
ATLWolverine
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You can't make this stuff up

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"the team, the team, the team."

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November 22nd, 2011 at 10:56 AM | Wow.  Arizona may have a hard (Score:1)
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Wow.  Arizona may have a hard time with that... Toledo's got a solid squad.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:25 PM | GERG!!!! (Score:1)
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Bring back GERG!!!!

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:27 PM | ...coach at a school where if (Score:3 Normal)
Z
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...coach at a school where if they suck in November, no one cares because it's basketball season.

Check.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:32 PM | ... hit 'Skip'... (Score:5 Funny)
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when Josh Groban comes up on his iPod.

 

Something pithy goes here.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:33 PM | keep his soft side (Score:3 Normal)
Mr. Blue
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... keep his soft and emotional side private - at least until there is a consensus that his job is secure 

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:41 PM | Small list... (Score:0 Normal)
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1. An iron-clad guarantee of five years with a huge buyout fee if he is terminated for any reason.

2.  Ex-coach doesn't get office down the hall from which to sabotage his program.

3.  No "transparency," limited press access:  "Fort Rodriguez."

4.   Hire a great DC and get the bleep out of the way.

 

 

 

 

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