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If RR Learned Anything From His Time At Michigan, He Will...

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:00 PM
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If RR Learned Anything From His Time At Michigan, He Will...

Congratulations to Rich Rodriguez for getting a new HC position at Arizona!

3 And Out outlined a lot of ways that Rodriguez could have taken several simple steps to minimize his pain at Michigan, but that he was simply too green behind the ears to know. He was an insider at WVU and Tulane, and therefore didn't know how to handle himself as an outside coming into a big-time program.

If RR has learned anything from his time at Michigan, what will he do? I'm curious what you all think. From what I gathered from Bacon's book and my own observation:

- Get a solid defensive coordinator, and then immediately follow that up with Barwis and the rest of his ideal staff.

- Begin recruiting his QB of the future immediately.

- Make sure there are no traditions that he could possibly be trampling.

- Clean out all of the old guard in the Athletic Department that he can, from the compliance officers to the PR folks. No leaks. No drama. No one who compares him to Stoops. His people, everywhere.

- Ingratiate himself with boosters and local fans. Never visiting M Club meetings until the year he was fired was a serious tactical error; even the people that liked him didn't have access to him.

- Build a political base of support with the President, Regents, etc. Golf rounds with AZ bigwigs should be as important as visiting recruits' homes. He needs to generate goodwill and survivability from Day 1.

- Never, ever speak off the cuff in front of the press. Give Belichik-style deadpan answers and never touch any question dealing with off-field questions.

 

What do ya'll think? Anything further he should do to set himself up to have a long and succesful run at Arizona?

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:03 PM
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respect the impact of the defense

on the game, that it's not out there primarily to give the offense a breather. If he did that at his last stop, he might still be there.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:06 PM
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His bread and butter is offense. He must have felt pressure to prove his offense would work in the B1G, and overlooked the Personnel issues on D (although some of it was unpredictable).

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:52 PM
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Defense? Show Highlights of Arizona's Desert Swarm Teams

1. Bear down mantra / Beat ASU

2. Highlight Rob Gronkowski and T Bruschi to current players and recruits

3. Referring to Jason Terry of the Mavericks ain't bad either

4, Line-up as many U of A girls as 'hostess' as possible

5. Lock-down Arizona and CA recruiting 

6. Make sure the AD isn't an aloof, self-involved tyrant who wants to reset Arizona traditions

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:49 AM
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Get Tate

Get Tate to transfer from San Jose State if sitting out this year will allow him start right away. Just kidding...sort of.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:04 PM
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In 2012?

Beat the living hell out of ASU. USC would be a nice bonus, but I don't think it's exactly expected.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:05 PM
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Articulating

how much he cares about beating ASU and then doing so is a great one; rivalry games were definitely one of the nails of his coffin at Michigan. Good one!

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:08 PM
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If Three and Out is even

If Three and Out is even remotely correct with his treatment of OSU, ND and MSU, it's really a headscratcher why he didn't say the same things in public. If he had taken some of those notecards he had for the team to the pressers, it would have been a different meme from day one (maybe not day one, you could really see the difference between Martin's coaching of RR and DB's of Hoke, DB was miles [lol] better at that).

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:15 PM
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Yeah

Bacon's recollection of his speech before the Wisconsin and OSU games made me want to jump up and suit up and throw some blocks on the field myself.

Really mystifying that his podium demeanor was so devoid of the passion he clearly showed the team. Perhaps he's a guy that likes to keep that private, but then he should have a Lloyd-style "Fort Arizona" media policy.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:04 PM
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UM and Arizona HFC positions

UM and Arizona HFC positions are not even remotely comparable. 

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:05 PM
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This Is Best Answered...

This is perhaps best answered by an Arizona alum, but I would imagine that good PR and good hires help  (this covers nearly every point mentioned). Beyond that, I think they just need to give him time to build a winner (or as near as can be) in Arizona. 

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:06 PM
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Just get a good DC and win

Just get a good DC and win games.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 10:20 AM
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Yes, he needs to keep himself

Yes, he needs to keep himself on the Offense and hire a great DC and then delegate to him, not dictate a 3-3-5 or what ever. He must let the DC make the Defense.

 

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:02 PM
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That

is a key point! Don't dictate the defensive scheme. Choose a DC you trust and unleash him.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:07 PM
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Pretty sure RR knows what he

Pretty sure RR knows what he needs to do to be successful, but go-ahead and leave your number. Thanks.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:09 PM
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He apparently didn't at U-M

but the reasons weren't as obvious as many thought (e.g. never visiting the M Club or building a base of support); Bacon really opened my eyes to how a lot of behind-the-scenes things did Rodriguez in.
 

Just curious if the MGoBlog community had any more insight.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:13 PM
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Not even gonna touch this

Not even gonna touch this one.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:07 PM
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He will make sure Drew Sharp

He will make sure Drew Sharp isn't hired at the local paper in Arizona.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:08 PM
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Nowadays, However...

Trolls will troll. Sharp only needs the Internet. 

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:10 PM
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It would be deeply amusing

to see round-the-clock football coverage of Arizona in the Freep, with Sharp insisting all the while that he has no grudge against Rodriguez.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:10 PM
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Yes, because Drew Sharpe was

Yes, because Drew Sharpe was the root of all of Rich Rodriguez's problems, that makes sense. 

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:32 PM
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No

Just the root of all evil

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:36 PM
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I will figure out your

I will figure out your MGoAlterEgo. This is my mission.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:08 PM
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Not coach at U of M

he's off to a good start

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:09 PM
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He should...

Remember to say "Bear Down Arizona" at least twice during his opening press conference.

Know the backstory of Bear Down Arizona.

Mention the names of a few players that the fans love.

Hire a defensive coordinator who is smart and that Rich will not want to micromanage.

Hire some assts with connections to CA and TX. He's got Florida covered by himself.

BEAT ASU. They should be going through a coaching change of their own so he should have a good shot in his first year.

Bond with EVERYONE in a leadership position at the University and attend numerous booster events.

Find the next Denard Robinson.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:23 PM
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Technically,

it was *Michigan* Assistant Band Director Jack K. Lee that penned the lyrics to Bear Down Arizona (before he got the job as Band Director at Arizona).  Probably shouldn't mention that at the introductory presser, though, RR.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:09 PM
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Kick Michael Rosenberg in the nuts

if he shows up in Tucson.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:11 PM
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This post

is what we call "free karma" on Reddit

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:10 PM
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I don't know about this whole

I don't know about this whole cleaning shop thing.  I would think that might be more of an overreaction - head coaches are super busy as it is, he can't micromanage everything, and who's to say a new hire is gonna be better than someone who has been doing it for a while?

Obviously there are some issues with putting your faith in some things, but that's just a fact of life that you will need to at some point.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:10 PM
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Hire a special teams coach

Hire a special teams coach

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:11 PM
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connect with

local highschool coaches and lock the state down first.  Hire a Def Coordinator with NFL experience and success, then hire staff that complement the Def Coordinator.  

One aspect of RRs undoing at Mich is he alienated local high school coaches.  Who inturn gave Dave Brandon an earful (my speculation) at least this was hinted at or alluded to.  Mich highschool coaches did not like RR pulling talent from Florida and overlooking some Mich kids.

Finally pepper the recruiting classes with California talent.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:13 PM
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Relationships with HS coaches

Excellent one. Bacon doesn't touch on it, but yeah, many HS coaches felt frozen out by Rodriguez. For that matter, so did alums. This is a biggie.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 8:01 AM
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November 22nd, 2011 at 8:05 AM
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Whoops

Er... West Texas is a good ground for UA as well. Interested to see his recruiting patterns there.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:13 PM
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It's Arizona, not Michigan.

He won't have to do half of the things there that he should've done here.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:15 PM
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Don't bring up...

the Lion King at press conferences.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:15 PM
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It has to go beyond just

It has to go beyond just getting a good DC.  He has to get a good DC and let the DC run the defense he knows and believes in with quality position coaches. This might be easier said than done, though.  If I were a good DC, I would be very hesitant to take a job at Arizona, unless I had assurances of being able to run the defense I wanted with position coaches I knew and trusted and 100% support in recruiting defensive players.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:19 PM
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He will ...

Post a non Rich Rod related thread on MGoBlog

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:17 PM
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Respect the chain of command, downward.

Let the defensive coordinator control scheme and staff, and never, ever, give even the appearance of supporting the position coaches over the coordinator.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:19 PM
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I'm only interested in talking about coaches who coach for Michigan.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:20 PM
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Don't try to force a statue

Don't try to force a statue qb into running zone reads.  Worry about teaching fundamentals, not scheme.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 AM
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That statue quarterback was a

That statue quarterback was a freshman and wasn't good as a junior in a pro set. Running zone read wasn't what made that offense suck. Lack of talent is what made that offense suck

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:23 PM
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Call teddy bruschi

And the other Arizona football player.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:24 PM
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Beat Toledo!

It is apparently U of A's first game in 2012!

 

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-12/pac-10/2012-arizona-wildcats-football...

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:25 PM
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LOL

You can't make this stuff up

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November 22nd, 2011 at 10:56 AM
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Wow.  Arizona may have a hard

Wow.  Arizona may have a hard time with that... Toledo's got a solid squad.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:25 PM
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GERG!!!!

Bring back GERG!!!!

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:27 PM
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...coach at a school where if

...coach at a school where if they suck in November, no one cares because it's basketball season.

Check.

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:32 PM
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... hit 'Skip'...

when Josh Groban comes up on his iPod.

 

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:33 PM
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keep his soft side

... keep his soft and emotional side private - at least until there is a consensus that his job is secure 

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:41 PM
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Small list...

1. An iron-clad guarantee of five years with a huge buyout fee if he is terminated for any reason.

2.  Ex-coach doesn't get office down the hall from which to sabotage his program.

3.  No "transparency," limited press access:  "Fort Rodriguez."

4.   Hire a great DC and get the bleep out of the way.

 

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:47 PM
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STAY AWAY FROM THE 3-3-5!!!!

STAY AWAY FROM THE 3-3-5!!!!

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:04 AM
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It worked for him at WVU, he

It worked for him at WVU, he just needs  a coordinator that runs that defense if that's what he wants.  Some unknown guy named Brady Hoke ran the 3-3-5 before he went to some school in the midwest.  

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November 22nd, 2011 at 1:19 AM
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Huh, guess it might work.

Huh, guess it might work. Wonder what that Hoke guy is up to these days?

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November 22nd, 2011 at 2:03 AM
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Yeah, he really left the

Yeah, he really left the cupboard bare...oh wait 9-2.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 10:09 AM
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BlueCheez
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Dickrod

To hell with him already.He ran us into the ground, defense sucked balls, and recruited for shit.Arizona will always be Arizona.A basketball school with a middling football program.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 11:41 AM
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steve sharik
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You do realize...

...you just called the following players "shit?":

  • Denard Robinson
  • Tay Odoms
  • Roy Roundtree
  • Fitz Toussaint
  • Vince Smith
  • Kevin Koger
  • Taylor Lewan
  • Mike Schofield
  • Will Campbell
  • Kenny Demens
  • Jake Ryan
  • Desmond Morgan
  • Thomas Gordon
  • Blake Countess
  • JT Floyd
  • Brendan Gibbons
  • Will Hagerup
  • and everyone else I didn't name who isn't a senior
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November 21st, 2011 at 11:53 PM
#58
jmblue
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Clean out all of the old

Clean out all of the old guard in the Athletic Department that he can, from the compliance officers to the PR folks.

No - that was what caused so much of the trouble in the first place. It's not hard to figure out what caused the rift between Carr and RR. Carr called him up, advising him to take the job and, we can safely assume, urged RR to give his assistants a look. RR got the job, and then the assistants waited for hours in the hallway for positions that were already filled. Carr felt betrayed. The assistants were bitter. The players, recruited and coached by those assistants, were discouraged. And things snowballed.

What RR needs to do is establish good relations with his predecessors. Keep a few of the old staff members aboard, even if it's for just one year. Make the transition smooth, instead of the sudden band-aid-ripping procedure it was here.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:50 AM
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Actually

that was irrelevant; why would RichRod care if Ron English was fuming at him across the street?

The problem was that he left so many people in the department who were constantly leaking things (see: practice irregularities) and who held grudges about Rodriguez cleaning house. Either you clean house all the way or you leave things untouched; you don't fire most of the department and then leave behind a few people whose friends and acquaintances were all kicked to the curb.

That's all I'm saying.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 2:07 AM
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PrideandHokeinTX
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Agreed. And its not like

Agreed. And its not like Arizona has been so successful over the last few years that any coaches have made it 100% neccessary to keep them around. If anything he should poach Lubick the recruiting cordinator at ASU who was a huge component of the landing all the talent at Ole Miss that Houston Nutt rode to a few Cotton Bowl appearances, or the WR coach at that landed 5...5! guys from Long Beach Poly this year.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 11:45 AM
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Because when Ron English is

Because when Ron English is fuming across the street, people like Braylon will say things in public (Lloyd Carr's University of Michigan).  Or you'll have things like Breaston tweeting "We're the best Big East Team in the B10".  

The assistants themselves can't hurt you, but the formers players (who the fanbase reveres) can definitely hurt you.  Look at how reassuring it was to have Tom Brady talking about the positive influence Hoke had on him (Woodson talked up Hoke as well).  Contrast that with either silence or negative comments on RR.  

You definitely have to keep the former assistants happy.  You can clean house, but you can't clean the record books/memories people have.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 PM
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So

perhaps keeping one guy like a Fred Jackson would be fine, but I don't think it was Ron English and other people on the outside looking in that did the most damage. It was really the people still in the program who undermined him, leaked documents, spoke to the Freep, etc. that really hurt RR.

There are ways to keep alumni happy that don't involve keeping all or even any of your predecessor's staff.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:53 AM
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Completely disagree. Much of

Completely disagree. Much of Carr's staff felt they deserved promotions with Carr's retirement. Ron English in particular thought he should be the HC. It would have been poison.

Besides, Stoops didn't retire, he got canned in the middle of the season. Didn't see Hoke keeping RR's staff around when he came in...

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November 21st, 2011 at 11:58 PM
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Bill Frieder

Avoid any comparisons between him and Bill Frieder (I know, he went to ASU not Arizona).

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:07 AM
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make damn sure

he has better options at QB in his first year, and work very hard to make sure he isn't counting on two Fr. his second.  No matter how talented they are.

 

It wouldn't hurt for him to understand the Pac-12 is big boy football just like the big ten.  You need big young men in the trenches.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 2:09 AM
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PrideandHokeinTX
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He'll have a RS Sr. QB that

He'll have a RS Sr. QB that is a pretty good athlete running the show for him his first year. Played last year when Foles was injured.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:08 AM
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Hey I think this team from Michigan is

playing some team from ohio in a couple days. Anybody hear about this?

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:29 AM
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Hmmmmm

Not ringing any bells...

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November 22nd, 2011 at 1:09 PM
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Sorry for supporting an Ex

Sorry for supporting an Ex coach of the University of Michigans football team who many of us thought got a raw deal here and how many of our suspicions seem to have been verifed by a writer who was embedded with the team for 3 years.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 AM
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AlwaysBlue
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Arizona is 59-83, never

Arizona is 59-83, never nationally ranked in this century.  How in the world is it even remotely close to the situation he walked into in Ann Arbor?  

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:18 AM
#71
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He needs to

recruit, recruit, recruit. He needs to get at least one AC who knows how to recruit the region and then hit it hard. Arizona has a very patient fanbase that is willing to put an investment into becoming a perennial winner. He needs to accelerate that process and prove he can beat ASU. 

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:54 AM
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Hire John U. Bacon to start

Hire John U. Bacon to start writing "Raising Arizona: Rich Rodriguez and the Renaissance of Wildcat Football"

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:57 AM
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In a nutshell: disrupt the

In a nutshell: disrupt the status quo as little as possible. Don't piss of people unless you really need to.

Important: If you can get a 3-star recruit from your backyard, take that guy instead of replacing him with an equally generic 3-star from some village in Florida nobody has ever heard of. Local media, high school coaches, and fans in general love seeing a hometown hero make it big. Conversely, nobody except MGoBlog readers get excited when local kids are frozen out by the new head coach in favor of the OMGZHESOFASTANDHEGOTDREADSWHOCARESIFHECANTREAD import from halfway across the country.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 1:12 AM
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fire himself?

fire himself?

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November 22nd, 2011 at 1:30 AM
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Gorgeous Borges
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 Hire a great defensive

 Hire a great defensive coordinator and give him the liberty to run his scheme.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 1:33 AM
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He will...

...reference Bacon's book for every way that he and his assistants got screwed at Michigan, and establish a "No Bullshit Policy" to ensure it doesn't happen again. 

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November 22nd, 2011 at 1:47 AM
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He should not assume that

He should not assume that "what he needed to do at Michigan" is "what he needs to do at Arizona." His biggest problem here came down to assuming UM was exactly like WVU and the same things were important and the same mindset would work. Treating Arizona like Michigan would be the same mistake. He should go let an Arizona alum tell him what to do, not mgoblog.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 2:41 AM
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I'll root for him since he's

I'll root for him since he's an ex-UM coach, but he's a mess.  All the excuses aside about deck stacked against him at UM, RR flat out doesn't know defense.  He is a glorified offensive coordinator at best.  Not once in three years did he evidence any competence in defensive decisionmaking.  From firing Schafer to hiring the giant senile mess that was Gerg, to sticking with the 3-5-5, to moving Willie C to offense, to moving Roh to LB, etc., etc., etc.  Only thing I credit him for on D is discovering Kovacs.

Even on offense, for all his creative genius, his schemes feature QB runs which mean QBs getting banged up, which means starting QBs more likely on the bench.  Then add that his spread peewee program is a turn off to recruits looking to transition to the NFL - another problem there.

What is worse, Arizona doesn't have the recruting pull UM has.  RR will go to Az, and if he does all the right things (most importantly getting a competent D coord and getting out of his way) then at best he gets AZ to 8 win seasons.  More likely, they'll remain a middling 6-7 win team.

No one rooted for, or defended him as much as me to my friends, but in hindsight, glad he's gone.  Wish him the best.  I'll always root for him.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 2:50 AM
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Gorgeous Borges
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 Arizona isn't much worse of

 Arizona isn't much worse of a place to recruit from than West Virginia was when Rich Rod got there. I don't really have any doubt that he can make his offense work there with the talent that he'll get.

What I'm not sure of is how he'll succeed there on the defensive side of the ball. It has become clear from the immense improvement this season that Rich Rod's staff was phenomenally incompetent at coaching defense. But you don't need phenomenal talent to have a good defense. Look at Michigan State and Illinois.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 2:52 AM
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Gorgeous Borges
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 Why would Rocky Long come to

 Why would Rocky Long come to Arizona? He's head coach at San Diego State now. I guess some of this is not serious.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 10:47 AM
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9.  Give away all his Josh

9.  Give away all his Josh Groban cd's

 

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November 22nd, 2011 at 3:28 AM
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TheThief
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Arizona Alumni

Went to grad school with an Arizona alumnus, and for what it is worth, he is not very excited about RichRod. He was hoping for Mike Leach, because he believes Leach can win without top recruits, which he believes Arizona will never get going against USC, Oregon, etc.

From talking to him the Arizona fan base was a little unrealistic in their expectations for a new coach (they actually thought they had a chance at Urban). RichRod seems like damaged goods in his view, and he seems to think a lot of the Arizona fans think so too. I actually think this is good for RR, he is a good coach and being seen as a mediocre coach, will give him the opportunity to impress everyone with his ability. Also being at a school where basketball is the focus should give him more time. I think if he just shows improvement, even if it is incremental he will have time. They certainly had a long fuse with Stoops.

When I asked him what RR would have to do to be considered a great choice, he said make it to the Rose Bowl. I guess Arizona has never made it to the Rose Bowl , and it would be like a national championship to them.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 7:38 AM
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UAZ

Yes, this is a good get for Arizona.  Urban, way out in the dessert,  that kills me.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 7:13 AM
#84
coldnjl
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don't hire Gibson as a db

don't hire Gibson as a db coach

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November 22nd, 2011 at 7:36 AM
#85
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Don't say y'all

Don't say y'all or ain't

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November 22nd, 2011 at 10:31 AM
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or "irregardless"  

or "irregardless"

 

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November 22nd, 2011 at 8:30 AM
#87
Hokemaniac
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How about

Don't piss the alumni off.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 9:54 AM
#88
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I wonder if anyone got Rita's

I wonder if anyone got Rita's Nacho Dip recipe before they left Ann Arbor? 

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November 22nd, 2011 at 10:11 AM
#89
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Well

...Not have Tony Gibson on staff.  Ugh tire fire secondary.

...Hire a strong DC and listen to him.

Hopefully Holgo and Casteel keep fighting, so at the end of the season AU can go pick up Casteel and let him build RR's defense.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 12:10 PM
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Calm doesn't really seem to be his style

I've gone back and watched a few of the RR era games and it always seemed to be complete chaos on the sidelines. It's one of the things that I really enjoy about Hoke. There is so much composure on the side line.

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November 22nd, 2011 at 11:36 AM
#91
steve sharik
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Three things:
  1. Hire Casteel.
  2. Hire Casteel.
  3. Tell the press to GTFO and STFU.
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November 22nd, 2011 at 11:38 AM
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Get Tate, dee hart, and all

Get Tate, dee hart, and all those Pitts DBs.

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