If RR doesn't make it past next season...

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February 25th, 2010 at 10:15 AM
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If RR doesn't make it past next season...

I was having a conversation with a fellow alum about this yesterday. I am an RR supporter, and want to see him succeed. But let's be real, at this point if he doesn't get it done, he's gone. But the point of our coversation was that regardless of who the next head coach would be, Rich Rod would leave us with better talent and athleticism across the board than before he got here. The great thing is that regardless of what "system" is ran, he recruited ATHLETES, that I feel can play in ANY system. Agree?

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February 25th, 2010 at 10:18 AM | Tick Tick Tick (Score:1)
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B O O M !!!!!

PUNCH EM IN THE MOUTH!!

February 25th, 2010 at 10:21 AM | My head.... (Score:1)
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... it just Asplode!!!!

February 25th, 2010 at 10:24 AM | It's going to be (Score:1)
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a long seven months. ...

February 25th, 2010 at 10:15 PM | well said Scott (Score:1)
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Plus One Indeed.

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February 25th, 2010 at 10:27 AM | Agree... (Score:1)
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... but I would hate to see that. I think RR stripped things down to bare studs in his remodeling when many of us were expecting a fresh coat of paint. One would hope that he is able to turn it around and if not, that his successor would have enough veterans and athletes with skill-sets that transfer to any system. But it still wouldn't be guaranteed for the new guy we can't predict how attrition would affect that cupboard. You mess with a tight knit family group atmosphere and there's no predicting the outcome.

I also agree with Magnus' post on his blog that firing RR would set the program back even further than it is now.

Here's hoping he gets it done.

February 25th, 2010 at 11:07 AM | This situation unfortunately (Score:1)
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This situation unfortunately reminds me of Callahan at Nebraska. He came in with great promise and changed the entire offensive game-scheme at Nebraska -- but fans turned on him when his system proved a work-in-progress rather than an instant success. After a couple horrible seasons he was fired for not having it "fixed" by year 3.

Letting Callahan go (whether it was a good/needed move or not) set Nebraska back a couple more years... they brought in a defensive minded coach who is struggling (but succeeding) to get Nebraska football back where the fans want it.

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February 25th, 2010 at 11:26 AM | I see similarities too (Score:1)
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and if Coach goes 5-7 with one win in the Big Ten next year, most of us might let him go too. I think by year three- this year three, which has been followed by the worst year one and two EVAR-is a reasonable amount of time to see results; not undefeated, one loss or two loss seasons, but improvement and play that reflects better things ahead. It's on his shoulders; I believe those of us who support Coach Rod are the finest of 'Michigan Men' in that we support the program through thick and thin, but as HC if Coach Rod fails to improve and give the AD a feeling that things are getting better, I think it would be justifiable to head in a different direction. That said, I do feel Coach Rod will continue to forge ahead, improve the team from last year, and be our HC for years to come.

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February 26th, 2010 at 1:22 PM | is that one big ten win... (Score:1)
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the last game of the season?

February 25th, 2010 at 12:47 PM | They also turned on Callahan (Score:1)
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They also turned on Callahan because he did pretty much everything he could do to piss off alumni, alienate former players, the University community, etc. etc. etc. Which is why Tom Osborne stepped in and set it all straight and all was once again well in the cornfields.

I do agree, though, there are very, very significant parallels between the RR situation and Bill Callahan at Nebraska. Unfortunately for us, we don't have Bo to come in and take care of it anymore.

February 25th, 2010 at 2:15 PM | Yeah but we've got (Score:1)
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Rich Leach and Lloyd Carr.... Coach? Coach? Anybody seen coach Carr??? Nobody? Well, all righty then......

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February 25th, 2010 at 3:37 PM | I Got NegBombed (Score:1)
TheOtherOneGoes...
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For essentially the same point about Coach Carr. Lost 200 points in 12 hours.

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February 25th, 2010 at 12:54 PM | Big Difference (Score:1)
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Of course there is a glaring difference between the Callahan and RR situations. RR has been a highly successful college head coach before. Callahan had not been when he took over Nebraska. In fact, Callahan had never been a head coach (I believe) before taking the job (see Weis, Charlie for another example).

February 25th, 2010 at 1:23 PM | Callahan was the head coach (Score:1)
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Callahan was the head coach of the Oakland Raiders before he was at Nebraska.

February 25th, 2010 at 1:29 PM | Right... I meant college head (Score:1)
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Right... I meant college head coach. That was unclear. Thanks.

February 25th, 2010 at 3:44 PM | That's A Head Coaching job? (Score:1)
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I mean, the Oakland Raiders? I thought Al Davis coached them. Maybe if RichRod doesn't make it we should consider Tom Cable. Actually, Cable might have punched out Jay Hopson's lights at some point during last season. And you think things couldn't get more crazy??

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February 25th, 2010 at 10:17 PM | heh! (Score:1)
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I wonder what coaching the Raiders really does qualify a person for...I'm looking at you Lane Kiffin and you too Callahan.

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February 25th, 2010 at 1:26 PM | Basically This (Score:1)
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Carcajous pretty much nails it but did mess up the former job Callahan had. Though having zero experience may have actually been better than being a guy who actually got canned by the Raiders, dear god the Raiders...

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February 25th, 2010 at 1:29 PM | Callahan was head coach of (Score:1)
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Callahan was head coach of the 2002 raiders super bowl team

February 25th, 2010 at 5:07 PM | "Callahan was head coach of (Score:1)
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"Callahan was head coach of the 2002 raiders super bowl team" ...that was put together by Jon Gruden and taken to the playoffs the year before only to lose to the Tuck Rule

February 26th, 2010 at 12:33 AM | Yeah, what a loser, taking a (Score:1)
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Yeah, what a loser, taking a team that was already pretty good to the Super Bowl. Any jackass can do that.

February 25th, 2010 at 10:35 AM | Disagree (Score:1)
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While crazy slot ninjas are a deadly breed, and I am a fan of our current crop of QB's, I don't know.
Our offense is certainly built for operating the running spread, so if hypothetical replacement coach runs it, then great. If hypothetical coach runs a pro style a la Michigan for the last 30 years, we might be in a little bit of a personnel screw given our not super massive lineman and 5'6 bantamweight running backs.

Edit: and our incoming all universe QB with potentially questionable mechanics.

February 25th, 2010 at 10:50 AM | In general I agree with you, (Score:1)
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In general I agree with you, but you do realize that our offensive line will average 300 pounds next year (and maybe more if Q Washington starts), assuming just a little growth/development in the off-season.

February 25th, 2010 at 1:53 PM | from the sounds of things (Score:1)
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from RR, last season showed him that the big BIg10 lineman are necessary -- see failed 4 shots at the goal line at at Illinois. Pizza will be aloud on the linemen's diet again.

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February 25th, 2010 at 2:46 PM | Those 4 plays were (Score:1)
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Those 4 plays were heartbreaking.

February 25th, 2010 at 11:43 AM | Disagree (Score:1)
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OSU runs a pro style offense with T.P's arm cannon.

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February 25th, 2010 at 2:53 PM | True the personnel would not (Score:1)
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True the personnel would not be perfectly suited for the pro-style, but I would rather have Forcier, DRob, and Co. running it than Mallett or Threet operating a run oriented spread. Athleticism works both ways.

BTW, I don't have a problem with the OP, he just said what IF, and doesn't sound like a OMG 2 B10 WINZZZ IN 2 YEARZZZ RR $UCK$ type of raging, lunatic flamer. Like it or not that is a question that might have to be answered in 10 months, its not fair but it is the instantaneous gratification factions that rule the world we live in.

February 25th, 2010 at 7:21 PM | A few points (Score:1)
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I believe Tate could be a decent pro style QB but I question if Gardner or Denard would be able to fit in as QBs.

Now, part of the good thing about spread OLmen is they can usually fit into a pro style offense. That can't be said for alot of Pro Style offense linemen.

Rbs are more of a crap shoot. Hart wasn't a huge prototypical pounder you look for in a Pro Style offense. Backs with good vision and feel can fit in both types. I think Smith and Touissaint could do fairly well in a Pro Style, as could Hopkins. Also RB is a position where a true freshman stud can come in and compete from day 1.

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February 25th, 2010 at 10:35 AM | I think... (Score:1)
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It is undisputed that he would leave the next coach more dreadlocks than he has ever seen before. He also leaves a group of cool, laid-back Florida kids. I think any coach would be happy to hang with them.

February 25th, 2010 at 4:57 PM | +1 to you. I just spewed my (Score:1)
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+1 to you. I just spewed my yogurt all over my computer.

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February 25th, 2010 at 10:38 AM | The psychological affect... (Score:1)
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...on the players would be substantially detrimental if RR were forced out, IMO. I think you'd see at least several notable transfers, too. Plus, the arduous process of finding another coach who would be willing to step into the politically frazzled fray would be monumentally challenging. Then add the problems of recruiting quality athletes into a program that's in a confused state of suspended animation, etc...

That's why I think RR is safe for at least one additional season beyond 2010, unless there is a complete digression (say, back to 3 and 9 again).

I think we'll be safely bowl eligible this year (whether we're allowed to attend a bowl or not).

As such, I think positing about this is rather moot. (My positing notwithstanding.)

February 25th, 2010 at 10:40 AM | The inner teacher in me must point out (Score:1)
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that you probably meant to put "regression" as opposed to "digression".

The more you know ....

February 25th, 2010 at 10:44 AM | Well, if we're talking the (Score:1)
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Well, if we're talking the narrative of the season, they could lose focus on the winning plot and ... yeah, I'll just stop there.

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February 25th, 2010 at 10:45 AM | bowl eligible (Score:1)
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While I agree on this comment, I must say I thought the same thing going into last season, and after starting 4-0. While I expect the team to improve and we SHOULD make a bowl...lets manage our expectations and not "safely assume" anything.

Either way, IMO, RR deserves through the 2011 season. We are still an extremely young team with a very high ceiling.

February 25th, 2010 at 10:53 AM | I think if we are not at (Score:1)
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I think if we are not at least 7-5 next year, RichRod is toast. At this juncture, he is on thin ice. While not his fault, as we on this blog know well, the NCAA investigation happened on his watch along with a lot of other crap which did not help our football program.

My read of the presser of Tuesday showed a coach who said the right thing but who looked really beat up.

Frankly, I am not sure how much more of this RichRod would want to take before he needs a valium drip to make it through the day. I feel really sorry for the guy, but he needs to win and soon.

February 25th, 2010 at 1:58 PM | looking at Brandon the other day (Score:1)
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during the presser would lead me to believe that after this mess, 7-5, might be good enough. also, at least one of the wins comes against a team with State in its title.

Brandon did not look happy the other day, and neither did MSC.

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February 25th, 2010 at 6:20 PM | - (Score:1)
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Yeah, but you also think Barwis would encourage the O-line to eat pizza.

February 25th, 2010 at 8:08 PM | 4 "States" on schedule (Score:1)
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RR needs to win more than one!

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February 25th, 2010 at 10:21 PM | heh! (Score:1)
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Agreed...we likely own BGSU...that's great.

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February 25th, 2010 at 2:08 PM | Another nitpick (Score:1)
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In this case, it would be "psychological effect."

February 25th, 2010 at 2:56 PM | I hope so. I would really (Score:1)
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I hope so. It would really suck to have to start over again. I couldn't laugh at ND anymore ( OK I still would I am a hypocrite!)

February 25th, 2010 at 10:41 AM | If RR doesn't make it past (Score:1)
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If RR doesn't make it past next season...

we are Notre Dame.

or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

February 25th, 2010 at 10:43 AM | This is terrifyingly (Score:1)
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This is terrifyingly accurate.

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February 25th, 2010 at 10:54 AM | Even more terrifying is that (Score:1)
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Even more terrifying is that even if he does do well I don't see him sticking around for any more of this abuse. This isn't his "dream job" or anything. If another school comes calling I can certainly see why he would jump ship in a hurry.

or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

February 25th, 2010 at 12:14 PM | Wasn't his "dream job" West (Score:1)
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Wasn't his "dream job" West Virginia? I mean, he played there and grew up there. The NFL is not going to come calling (yet) for the implementation of the read-option spread that RR runs. Other than that there is really nowhere in college football he would go that would be anything more than a lateral move. A lateral move in which he would have to rebuild all over again.

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February 25th, 2010 at 12:48 PM | your joking right? (Score:1)
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You honestly think that some other school in the same athletic realm as michigan is going to take a chance on hiring Rich Rod after witnessing the growing pains michigan has endured. thats a joke. Rich Rod will be the coach here for a long time unless he is forced out.

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February 25th, 2010 at 11:04 AM | I have been thinking the (Score:1)
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I have been thinking the exact same thing! That's a scary thought and you can obviously see the trouble that Notre Dame is having recovering. It would be years and years.

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February 25th, 2010 at 11:21 AM | That appears to be what a group of so-called fans (Score:1)
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want. Through the on-going bashing of RR, the situation has only gotten worse. If you don't like him, to me, the best route is to support the team. Sounds like that is what "All In" means. I think RR will still be successful. When hired, no one expected the unfair, biased onslaught from local media. Perhaps his biggest mistake will be promoting an open, tranparent program vs. "The Fort" approach.

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February 25th, 2010 at 11:53 AM | i appreciate... (Score:1)
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the selflessness of this comment. that is how it should be if you love Michigan the University (not just one sport or one program but the University) it is in the best interest to be "ALL IN" for whoever is here in the now. i cannot stand Obama, however i hope that he succeeds in doing the right things because if he does not our country will be worse for the wear. Michigan fans should turn this thing around and become the most loyal fans in the country. not loyal to self, loyal to UofM, period.

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February 25th, 2010 at 10:47 AM | I think we're more like (Score:1)
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I think we're more like Oklahoma.

February 25th, 2010 at 2:03 PM | Stoops (Score:1)
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won the NC with Blake and Schnellenberger's kids. while he has been to the mountain since; he hasn't won it all.

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