RR, but if I had to choose, I'd go with this list.
1. Anyone but Les Miles, who's bullshit ethics deserve to stay in the SEC.
RR, but if I had to choose, I'd go with this list.
1. Anyone but Les Miles, who's bullshit ethics deserve to stay in the SEC.
I don't think Les would leave LSU at this point anyway even if we wanted him. I'm not sure my heart/stomach could handle having Les as coach, but I still love watching the guy.
but we have field turf so he couldn't eat the grass here
His own fanbase hates his guts, and that's during a year they're top ten BCS.
I just came back from Baton Rouge and the folks there basically think that he's stuck there just because of that.
When you throw a ridiculous contract at a guy to keep him from jumping ship to Michigan.
If we want to keep the spread O, I would say Dan Mullen.
Dan Mullen's at Mississippi State right? And it's Mississippi State that suddenly decided once Cam Newton got good report he was asking for money right? No thanks.
They reported early on. Even the SEC confirmed it.
WGAF when / how / why it came out? Cheaters shouldn't be rewarded, ever. I want Auburn to LOSE and I want Newton blown out of the Heisman race. Play by the rules or don't whine when you get busted.
If change were to happen, he'd be my number one choice, bar none. He's a star with great recruiting ties, great offensive pedigree, and has turned Miss St around with a mean defense.
I'd make one of these show up on his door:
MSU always had a solid D under Sylvester Crooms. They just lacked an offense. That's what made Mullens a good fit.
Couldn't agree with you more on Dan Mullen. Living in Florida, I hear Gator fans whine daily that they want Mullen back. If not Mullen, then Chris Peterson.
If we got a new HC, we obviously would have some rebuilding to do. But if it were Harbaugh, wouldn't we be changing back to "Michigan football" that everyone seems to be clamoring for?
And if so, I have a tougher question. Does it take more time to rebuild a program with a new system AND head coach, like we would have with Harbaugh, or is it the same amount of time rebuilding as just a new HC in the same system?
I don't want to rebuild for another 3 years, and have this same damn discussion in 2013.
and then leaves for the league that had Millen for a GM. We spend 3 years trying to rebuild, fire the coach and begin again. Some of us have died before Michigan regains national respect, let alone prominence.
I mean, Harbaugh is a sharp guy and going from the spread back to pro is a little bit less difficult than the other way (RRod had to recruit slot receivers and condition his o-line to be more nimble and athletic, reinstalling a variation of a pro-set could for the most part use the existing pieces with modified schemes). I wouldn't seem right somehow if we keep our scheme to try and replace the god of the spread and shred with one of the guys he taught it too. I don't know what its like inside the program, but unless DB sees something else that indicates this team won't improve with another year of growth, I'd really still prefer to keep RRod. I guess the one upside of Harbaugh is that he would immediately electrify a lot of our alumni base (AA native, Michigan golden boy coming home after BCS success at an absurd academic school) and to use DB's words, this would like provide a "new source of revenue."
Harbaugh ran a spread when he coached San Diego. I wouldn't assume he'd go straight to pro-style here. Maybe, like his mentor, he's able to adapt his offenses to the talents of the players he has.
Rodriguez ran a passing spread at Tulane, I think he'll adjust to the players he's got to work with...
What about hiring Shuler and keeping Calvin McGee at OC? Then we can go for the trifecta and bring in Randy Shannon as DC. Damn, that'd be ridiculous. I know McGee is a Rich Rod guy but might he stay behind? Why not?
Dan Mullen has to be interviewed if we fire Rich Rod. Even if we do end up hiring JH need to at least look at Mullen first.
Not interested in having an OC takeover as HC, especially one that has Cam Newton at QB and has no problem with it.
If I was looking at NFL guys (which I don't favor just an if) I think we'd have to look at Leslie Frazier and Ron Rivera.
One more DC name to throw out would be Rob Ryan.
The return question is, if Rich stays and stinks it up next year, and Harbaugh (ugh) is coaching the 49ers, what's our back-up plan then?
Frankly, everything has risks, and no one will know what is right or wrong till it succeeds or fails.
there are some new "can't miss" up and coming coaches. give RR one more year.
Is that really an argument in his favor? Three years ago, he was one of those "can't miss" guys. Now he has the lowest winning percentage in school history.
it's a response to the "we have to get harbargh now, because he's the only answer and may be gone next year" crowd.
imo, RR is the answer for next year because of the reasons stated ad nauseum. we return everybody!!! the team will be better next year. freshmen become better sophs. sophs become better juniors, and they are the core of the team right now. it's only natural to believe that this team will win at least 2 more games next year.
if not, than RR has had his 4 years, which i think any coach deserves.
ie. i was not a amaker supporter at all. i thought we deserved a more experienced and established coach. (i advocated stallings even before the ellerbe hire, but oh well). but i said he deserves 4 years to get his players into his system. 7 years was too much though.
if I'm Brandon, I see quietly whether Harbaugh will take the job. If not, I announce not only that Rodriguez is back, but is getting an extension. The last thing this program needs is a repetition of December 2007 -- or anothe season of what does Rodriguez need to do to keep the job.
BTW, with all the atmospherics around the program, it wouldn't shock me if Rodriguez is the one to pull the plug and resign.
That would be exactly what I'd do with what I know of the program. I don't think speculation would end even with an extension though, we have a rich enough program we could buy out any program in therory.
I can't see too far into the future, but Brady Hoke at that point. He's likely going to picked up a BCS school this year (Minn or Colorado are tossed around a lot). So in a year he might have a resume of:
8 Years on Carr's Defensive Staff
Good run in the MAC, Good run with SDSU
One year a BCS School (or two if we give RR 5 years)
Assuming he does well with a smaller BCS Program I'd be all about Hoke.
Or Les Miles. I know he's not popular, but the man is 57. So if we fire RR, we grab Miles. Miles stays 4-6 years, ideally wins a Rose Bowl and retires. By then Hoke would have even more of a resume to consider and we could make a call if we want to go after him. I don't see Les Miles as a long term fix, I feel more like Miles would love to come here as kind of a capstone on his career and it would give us time for Hoke or another target to compile a larger resume.
Hoke was associate head coach in 2002 when he left. I like to imagine a world where in 2002 we pay him a lot more than Ball State offers. In '06, Hoke is promoted to DC instead of English and then when Carr retires instant continuity. So my love of Hoke might be unrealistic in some ways.
Even if it is wishful thinking. I just don't see Hoke getting hired after a huge losing season in Year 1 of whatever job he takes.
Yeah I only see Hoke ending up here if we hire Miles or our next HC is a bust. In say 6 years Hoke will either be at a major school or a bust basically. If he keeps winning a Michigan, Florida or someone will go for him. So the only way we're on the market in 5-6 years is due to Les retiring or a HC firing.
If RR stinkns the joint up next year he's gone and Hoke's resume would still be kind of weak likely.
You cannot be serious. Jeebus.
I hear he was a Rhodes Scholar, got the Congressional Medal of Honor, and was the first man on Mars.
invented the condom...what a prick
The R&D that went into its development?
I don't necessarily want Hoke but he does have SDSU almost in the top 25.
I think Chris Petersen is a good coaching candidate. He has built a solid team on both sides of the ball, despite their recent loss.
Really? If you thought the Big East was a joke....heh the WAC?
His teams are very disciplined and play sound football across the board. It's foolish to only hire coaches from BCS conferences. Look where OSU plucked Tressel from...
Florida did okay when they hired Urban Meyer.
Florida 7-5, 4-4 SEC
I'm mostly pissed at other people, but bringing up a coach that has the same record as RR and has as many recruiting advantages as 5-7 Texas is assinine. They got their Tebow MNC and we could get a Denard BTC if people would just be patient.
...you earn the right to have an off season after the period of success that Meyer's had at Florida. If Rich's first two seasons were near that caliber, people wouldn't be complaining to this extent (they'd be complaining, but not to this extent).
that has seen Boise that they are a wonderfully coached team. I have criticized their previous claim to being in the MNC, but there is no question at all that Peterson can coach.
I dont like Peterson because of the way the players handle themselves on the field. Little things like not handing the ball to the official and his players constantly talking trash are two things that Michigan does that I think makes it a better program.
I know they do not correlate to wins and loses but still important.
I'm thinking Gus Malzahn given his success with the spread. Or if we're looking for a defensive mind, Gary Patterson.
Plan A being bring in an innovative coach to bring in a dynamic spread offense and give him time to fill the team with his players. Support him and keep the Freep off campus.
Kind of like Rich Rodriguez? How about we just keep the Freep off campus starting next year?
I know there are a lot of Les Miles haters on this board but I'm that desperate. Despite all the stupid things he has done, he still WINS games. He can cheat as long as he doesn't get caught just like everyone else. If they can't get Harbaugh or Les, then stick with Rich and see how things turn out.
Losing with integrity is better than winning with none.
Keeping Hagerup at home on the biggest day of the year takes some balls. RR is under-rated in the integrity department. After watching the 18-yard punt, I was thinking about the interview in '03 when Tressel was asked whether the indispensability of two players would over-ride his suspension of them for team violations prior to The Game, and he said, "I would hope not." I think RR shows that same kind of class, and I hope he starts winning with it soon.
RR would be eager to stick around if he knew he was our 3rd option...how about we just fix our D and steamroll bitches?
We might have something with an evcen decent defense.
Fcuk it, I'm willing to give devalued NC State position coach John Tenuta a shot at redemption.
I see you and my brother have the same plan B.
then Rich Rod.
Can't argue with that. I think Rich Rod is turning the program around and I think the team will be better each of the next two years with him. I'd hate for the coaching job to become a revolving door of Fail like ND's has.
However, if we were guaranteed to get Harbaugh, a Michigan Man (sans Mike Hart's proclamation) that we could plug in and potentially keep for 20 years,who knows first hand about the tradition and the rivalries, I would do it.
is exactly how I feel. Make no move (for the head coach - DC and staff have to change regardless) unless Harbaugh is a certainty.
skip the middle man and hire Hart now? Then our 2 best players would be Hart and Hart...if only Michael Shaw would change his number and make my 20 jersey relevant again...
Here's a question about that though.
Do we really think it is possible to get a for sure yes or no from Harbaugh without someone in the media getting wind of it?
In this day and age, it seems nearly impossible for something like this to happen without it leaking.
A lot of people assume that we could just inquire away about Harbaugh and then if he says no keep RR. I don't think it really works like that.
But what do I know?
but I trust Brandon to orchestrate it much more than I would have trusted Martin.
I have that same concern. When a coach is under contract with another team, AD's usually ask permission before contacting him about interest in another job. I don't know how the logistics would work.
that even if Brandon doesn't personally know Harbaugh, that they have friends in common. A "back-channel" contact could make sure Harbaugh was interested, then Brandon asks permission from the Stanford AD to talk.
I suspect that even Stanford would prefer that it be done that way.
has the same concern. Did you see him rebuke Herbie today?
Yup, it was nice for Desmond to speak up. At times, I think he doesn't want to rock the boat too badly. When he spoke up, Herbie sat there quietly like an idiot.
IIRC, Fowler was throwing out some conjecture about alumni/fanbase displeasure, rumors about RR being fired on Monday and Harbaugh coming in, etc. Then Des basically said that he didn't want to get into speculation about RR's future and a potential Harbaugh hire, especially after what happened last time when "people" were reporting that Miles was coming, etc.
Talk about an awkward couple of seconds there...
Thanks, Bluefish, I didn't see the question until this morning and this thread was pushed down on recent posts.
If he's under contract, I believe we have to request to talk to him from Stanford.
DB has a corporate background and I am reasonably certain he is prepared for all outcomes. I believe he compiled a short list of replacements earlier this year and I wouldn't be surprised if there have already been back channel communications between M reps and other coaches.
RichRod is plan B.
The only reason to make a change at this point is if you can get Harbaugh, who is tailor made for the Michigan program. If you can get Harbaugh, then you have to think about it (quietly).
If it does not work then you stay on course and give RichRod 2 more years. At that point, "his guys" are seniors and they will have shown clearly for all to see how the RichRod experiment turned out.
Plan A:Rich Rod
Plan B:Rich Rod
Plan C:Rich Rod
...... you get the point
Chip Kelly's visor.
Rich Rod and Harbaugh are Plans A and B, in an order to be determined. There is no Plan C, at least until 2012. Brandon would not fire Rich Rod unless he had assurances that Harbaugh is willing to take the job. (Of course, he might not fire Rich Rod in any event).
This inside information brought to you from the voices inside my head.
My good friends "aura" and "mystique" tell me that he's a high energy guy.
or is he too qualified?
Do not hire the fat man.
One can only assume this is what RR does in his free time
It's questionable enough whether or not Harbaugh can win us national championships. Even more questionable is what we do if we blow up the program and Harbaugh says no.
Dave Brandon is not such an idiot to blow up the program without assurances that Harbaugh would take the job. Who do you think he is, Bill Martin?
Martin botched the coaching search, but he didn't blow up the program. RR did by firing all of Carr's assistants, save Jackson. I've thought all along that this was his biggest mistake. He approached the job as though Carr had been fired. When a coach is fired, you can go the "shock therapy" approach and change everything. You don't do that when he steps down on his own.
That's the dumbest argument I've ever seen on this board.
That is the most hyperbolic statement I've EVER seen on this board.
Bullshit. If Martin didn't know RichRod would fire the entire staff when he hired him, he's dumber than rocks and quite possibly one of the worst interviewers known to man.
when it was entirely fashionable to rip Michigan and Rodriguez, Mallett said RR did everything he could to keep him and it was just not possible. considering how immature Mallett has been/still is, that said a lot to me
It's hard for me to believe that post is written in clear-headed seriousness so I'm going to reserve judgement and/or maybe splash some water on my face to try and come back to reality.
To add to everything else that people have said about this flawed logic...
How do you know that all these assistants even wanted to stay? There was clearly a severe backlash against RR from people in the Carr camp, and I think it's safe to say this was the case before he even stepped foot on campus. These guys wanted a HC hired from within the "family." So I think its more likely that A) Many wouldn't have stayed and B) Rich Rodriguez didn't want assistants who would sew discontent from within the actual team
In general though, I just find the argument that RR "blowed everything up" completely asinine. Essentially, that is what he was hired to do: scrap the current system and install a new one.
This is probably not how the conversation went...
BM: Hi, Rich Rodriguez. You've got a renowned, high-paced spread offense and you've proven yourself to be a pretty great coach. We'd like to hire you at the University of Michigan. We won't be discussing how that will be implemented, or which assts from WV you'd like to bring over.
RR: Gee, that's awesome. I think I'll change my offensive philosophy to power football and retain all of Coach Carr's assistants.
....One month later...
RR: SUPRISE, BITCHES. I'M BLOWING IT ALL UP!!! YEEEHAAA.
You ever think the backlash came BECAUSE he summarily swept everyone out? And in your "conversation"...he wasn't bringing a genius defensive staff, already making 2 outside hires...it's not like they could have done any worse with some of the old staff on that side of the ball.
Yeah, that Greg Frey sure is doing a lousy job. We'd be *so* much better off with Andy Moeller coaching the O-line.
You didn't pick a defensive coach. How about secondary ones?
If we canned RR and got no Harbaugh, we would be Notre Dame Pt2.
If we canned RR and got no Harbaugh, we would be Notre Dame Pt2.
Notre Dame's record is better than ours over the last 3 years. Depending on tonight, they may have been bowl eligible all 3 of those years.
Yeah, but can he win us conference championships?
Plan B is to go the Illinois/Zook route with RR: make him clean house defensively.
I think your brother is the answer. Would he take it? I'm really impressed with ability to break everything down so quickly.
He's a retired Dentist who did both his undergrad and grad work at Michigan so he's got time on his hands and fits the profile of those who want a "Michigan Man" to lead us.
He can drill some discipline into these boys.
he can get to the root of the problem
we may finally fill some gaps on D.
will numb the pain of losing, at least.
"Now just relax and count backwards from 100."
I would brace yourself for some backlash from the alums, however.
To see our defense impacted.
we can crown him the savior of the program after he bridges the gap between new and old Michigan.
Touched a nerve
If DB concludes that Jim Harbaugh is the better long term option, and gets reassurance from the back-channels that he'll accept, then there is a reason for acting now before Harbaugh is gone. (Of course, there's a risk that Harbaugh will say yes through the intermediaries and then no formally, but there's no way around taking that risk.) Sometimes, you're just http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Moss at the wrong time.
"A coach from the list of good candidates" will still be there in 2011. Bailing on RIchRod without a high probability of acceptance from a concrete target is just panicking.
Or perhaps wait until after the Bowl games...
If you're making a change, you do it now. Waiting until after the bowl is too long to keep everyone in the breach.
IMO, it's Harbaugh or RR. I don't think another coach will do better at Michigan in the near term.
Oooooohhhhhh....I thought this was about birth control.
I've been thinking about applying for the position, sitting here in my over-stuffed chair I have found that I have been out coaching these guys on T.V. for years.
Sorry but I think my brother already has the HC locked down. But based on your qualifications I think you'd be an excellent addition to his staff.
Jerry Dinardo would be kinda cool
That's brave sir. I like your thinking.
I have changed my mind, I prefer Lee Corso
Come on, if we're heading down this path, let's go with the TV personality who has won a championship, Lou Holth. Our players won't have to waste time showering after he spittle-bathes them during his rousing post-game speeches.
How many teams has he taken straight down the dumper as HC?
I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that RR will be willing to dump his WVU defensive assistants just because Brandon tells him to do it. Given the nightmare that the last three years have been in so many ways for RR (both for reasons beyond his control, and for reasons entirely on him), I could easily see him refusing to fire his buds—and get fired by DB as a consequence— just as a convenient way to end the ordeal without quitting per se. There will be some other program eager to hire him.
Hopefully DB would go the route of firing the assistants and letting RR chose to resign in this scenario. Paying his buyout would be real crapola after paying his last one.
If RR gets the boot, there's not a doubt in my mind that he would be uber-successful at his next gig.
...as an offensive coordinator.
and probably corect.
Thanks, Don, for voicing a recurring nightmare I've had (Cam Cameron as head coach at Michigan). I thought that was a possibility for many years during the BoMoCarr regime, with him being a MICHIGAN MAN and all that.
I mean, he's done well at a non-Michigan and therefore inferior program, and has Michigan ties through tom Brady.
Also, Obama for D-Coordinator. It's time for a change and his job sucks (being president sucks, not a political comment).
1. Keep RR and the spread.
2. Get the best damn D coordinator money can buy.
3. Recruit like crazy. Sell recruits on the new DC and early playing time.
4. Above all, don't go firing RR cuz you're pissed we lost another game. The D is the problem. Fix it. Don't fire the reason we won 7 games this year.
5. Get off the ledge!
We did nothing against Wisconsin in the first half and only scored 7 against OSU. I would say there are some problems on offense as well. The best DC you could find wouldn't win that game with only 7 points from the offense.
We were missing my favorite WRs (Hemingway and Tae)... and Roundtree developed the dropsies today. Not to mention, our RBs decided that actually running through a tackle is too damn difficult
our young WR corps getting a case of the dropsies didn't contribute significantly to that. or the fumbles. or, etc. i love how everyone thinks RR should be able to be Patrick Swayze in Ghost and just guide the player's hands into catches, etc. Roy Roundtree is not Demi Moore!
Why not Chip Kelly? (Honestly tell me why, I don't know) He has had success and is an innovative coach (I know, I know). the transition would be easy and it would be fun to watch. ( I know, I know)
Chip would not leave Oregon right now. I know you already know that.
Plus he's a dick.
Chip Kelly is in charge of a machine with the best facilities in the country and on the verge of winning a national championship. He's not leaving, especially not for a rebuilding job on the other side of the country in a weak recruiting area.
With the endless supply of Phil Knight money, I think Oregon is likely to be one of the perpetual powerhouse teams nationally for a very long time. Michigan is a step up from a lot of programs, but I think Oregon is on the verge of being a de facto peer.
Oregon is "on the verge" of being a peer? Oregon is a better team right now (by far), and a better program. There is no verge-age about it. Michigan is "on the verge" of dropping to Illinois-type status in terms of national regard.
This is Michigan; still the Big House, still the most wins in the history of College Football and still the Leaders and Best.
I wanted Ferentz, it's a moot point now - he's not leaving Iowa. It will be interesting to see who he gets for a DC - Norm Parker has to be out. If RR stays, we may be competing against Iowa for a DC hire.
Why would you want him? His senior-filled team went 7-5 and obviously gave up at the end of the year. They lost to several teams who were without a doubt worse than them.
If we are indeed cleaning house completely and Harbraugh is unavailable (no comment if that is good or not), I hope we Patterson. The man knows defense and consistently shows he can make 2nd half adjustments. He's also great at developing talent. This and his ability to field a respectable offense makes him a good choice.
Hasn't Harbaugh been recruiting some of the same guys as us? If he did come maybe we wouldn't lose a lot to transfers.
he recruits basically whoever he can admit to stanford, their net is very wide
a new def coordinator and Rich Rod get a contract extension. Recruiting is gonna get even more difficult without some real coaching stability and I feel that RR has the program headed in the right direction.
I would hold out on the extension until after next year when we compete for the Big Ten championship.
I think Plan B energies should be focused more on finding a new defensive coordinator and letting him run recruiting and calling his own defense (not the 3-3-5). My thoughts on that would be:
Vance Bedford (former UM DB coach and current Louisville DC - 11th in the nation in total D)
Randy Shannon (once Miami does the predicted but stupid firing of a good guy who has cleaned up their program - but didn't "win enough"
Bud Foster (Okay he'd never leave VT - but make the offer with some serious money tied to it).
TCU's defensive coordinator?
But if Rodriguez doesn't get another year and Harbaugh doesn't come home then Plan B is the following:
Pat Fitzgerald (continues to win at Northwestern, school has no support for the football program, academic focused school experience, consistently runs a spread offense, knows defense). He's too good to stay at a school with such high football apathy. Someone will make him an offer he can't refuse. Rather it be us than another school.
Mike Leach (guy can coach, the Adam James thing was a farce, I'm sure he can find a way to use Denard - maybe make him even better, entertainment value is really high)
Art Briles (baylor coach - inventive on offense, solid character, lets see what he can do with actual talent)
Brady Hoke (particularly if he brings along his current staff at SDSU - like Rocky Long to coach defense)
I'm not putting Peterson or Patterson on the list because they'd be crazy to leave their schools.
LOL Mike Leach? Really? Looking at the way many associated with Michigan react to RR, and hate him for the cultural differences from the status quo that he's brought, shit would hit the fan with them if we hired Leach.
I personally love Leach, and, if RR did get fired (don't want it to happen) I wouldn't mind seeing him at M, but dude, all the elitists who want a "Michigan Man" would throw a hissy fit that would make their reaction to RR seem like nothing in comparison.
Pat would never NW. But I guess I would have said that about RRod prior to him actually leaving WV.
CHARLEY WEISS would be a big addition or maybe the famous gangster Schemer Druzzi, nobody could out scheme the schemster
A Weis hire wouldn't just be big, it would be enormous!
......bill would be "ginormous".
Did Greg Shiano turn us down last time? My memory is a little fuzzy.
Millen or Marinelli.
But in all seriousness Pat Fitzgerald. He's a defensive minded Guy who runs the spread offense
A) Jim Harbaugh
B) Drew Sharp
C) Michael Rosenberg
D) Lynn Henning
E) Ron English
thought it was Lynne Henning...
Just to screw with ND
What I saw today was an experienced team playing an inexperienced team at home. Dropped passes, silly fumbles, poor special teams. It's painful to watch, but all young teams go through this. I expect to see a big jump next season, and I think we will. Our defense can not get any younger and our kicking can not get any worse. Most people had us pegged around 7-5 anyway.
I think we were all saying that EXACT same thing at this time last year
Erm, not really. Last year people were pissed because we were 5-7 and didn't meet expectations.
This year, people are pissed because.......we went 7-5 and met expectations.
Huh, how bout that. Makes one wonder if some people just enjoy being pissed.
It's not that we lost, its how we lost that has people pissed off. We were never threatening to win any of the games we lost. We got pantsed in every one of those five losses.
....shot themselves in the foot in every single one of them except maybe Wisky. If our offense had executed with more discipline(which comes with age and experience), we would have been in every single one of those games, even with the defense not playing well.
I might just copy this so I can paste it in wherever it's relevant:
Most people predicted 7 wins. If they thought those other games were all supposed to be tossups, they should have predicted 9-10 wins. I didn't see anyone predicting that. We won the close games this year, and that was an improvement over last year.
And eked by some crap teams in our wins. The difference between 7-5 and 5-7, or even 4-8, was a hair's breadth. The difference between this year and last year amounted to winning a coin flip game against Illinois at home, Purdue's offense imploding because of injuries (we beat them because they got worse, not because we got better), and Notre Dame's quarterback getting concussed.
I'm so sick of the "7-5, we met expectations" meme, as though only the record in a vacuum matters. Not all 7-5's are created equal.
Don't forget UMass and indiana. This was a year where we could have easily had 3 or 4 more losses. We got lucky this year where we were unlucky last year. We won every coinflip game.
But conversely, we were not close on a single game against an upper tier Big Ten team. We were blown out in all of them.
We have made almost no real improvement. Our "improvement" is an illusion based on a couple of lucky breaks.
This team has seen a lot of lucky breaks? It still feels like we have been getting the short end of the stick in the luck department. How many times have we seen teams fumble and have the ball bounce right back to them? How many times has our defense tipped passes only to see a different receiver catch them? It seems like other teams get the benefit of fluky plays (and poor officiating) more than we do.
The fact that a young team was able to win the close games does say something about what we will be capable of when we gain more experience. To gain two more wins with a team that is younger than all of our competition at nearly every position does speak well of the team going forward.
As has been pointed out repeatedly, the teams that beat us handily are the most experienced teams in the league. OSU loses 24 seniors this year, and about half of those are starters. MSU loses about 4-5 starters on each side of the ball, and so does Iowa. Wisconsin has an extraordinary number of seniors this year. What this means is that we will progress towards the mean in terms of player experience, while our top competition will regress towards the mean. This should help us a lot as well.
Most reasonable post I've read all day. Spot on and plus 1.
There shouldn't be a Plan B. If Brandon wants to make a change the only one that will appease the so-called traditionalists would be Harbaugh.
If we can't get Harbaugh, I'd take another year of Rich Rod easily. Taking a shot in the dark with Dan Mullen or some other spread coach would antagonize both people who want to give RR another year AND folks who want a return to a Michigan Man coaching. Give him another year, or M Go Harbaugh
They are going to go to a rotating "belligerent fan of the week" plan. The loudest, most obnoxious whiner will get to coach the program for a week and show everyone how much "better" he can do than the current coach.
Harbaugh IS Plan B.
Ditka doesn't allow people to make him a plan B.
........The point totals may not be much, but other than tOSU today, our offense put up quite a few yards. They also quite a few yards after the first quarter today.
If we hadn't shot ourselves in the foot so many times against all of those teams, the points would be much higher.
This is where the detractors only see the scores and say we got thumped, while the RR supporters look at the potential and see where we could be in the future.
that the second half is "junk time"? I think this insight would change the outcome of many games if we just stopped at halftime. Have you considered notifying the Commissioners? In fact, why don't you get to that right away.
If not Harbaugh then RR. If not either Harbaugh or RR then someone who will keep the spread. There's no-one other than Harbaugh who's worth the pain of two years running a power-offense with Denard/Roundree/Vincent Smith.
Plan B: Famer Fran
Plan C: Bob Green
I think that was a clip of JoePas younger years when dementia was just setting in.
With that said, it might be hard to get Coach Klein. He isn't a lock up. What if he says no?! What would it take to get him?
We need someone who will bring a clear, schematic advantage to the college game.
Bud Foster is a guy who has thought about making the leap to a HC gig but hasn't yet. I think he may be ready.
Remember when they thought they would get Urban Meyer or Bob Stoops because "they're Notre Dame"
A lot of the names thrown around here have pretty good gigs right where they are. Many of the names have access to the BCS right where they are at if they win.
Here's a flyer...Jim Mora Jr. He's not busy right now.
urban meyer wasn't an option or a candidate despite his mouth
stoops would have been the HC had ND given into his academic stipulations
I don't remember all the names that were serious candidates at ND but Edsall was there
is keeping RR with a new defensive coordinator. It's the only move that makes any sense, and the move that would get us the most wins for next year. If we get harbaugh, don't expect more than 6 wins, with RR is probably 8. But Harbaugh is plan A for the long term fit.
If a change is made, the precedent for UM only giving a coach, at most, 3 years has been made. How many coaches, especially the ones in decent to good situations where they are, would accept the job knowing they have 3 years to make the fanbase happy?
Think of ND. After Holtz, Davies had 5 years, Willingham had 3, Weiss somehow finagled 5 years out of them, and now their fanbase, based on a 6-5 record at this point, is already calling for Kelly to be fired. Do we want to become like ND? Hell No, I don't!
Give RR another year, with or without Gerg. If UM is the same, or worse, then fire him. But IMO, UM with RR next year will win at least 9-10 games and be right back on or near the top of the B10. As well, we will be a consistently dominant force in the B10.
You're saying not to keep coaches around 5 years?
going to bcs bowl games 2 years in a row is a good way to "finagle" more years onto your coaching job
ND fans are always complaining, didn't hear any of it last night though. Weis's last 3 years at ND and RR's 3 years at UM are very similar, and the last 3 years are what ended Weis's career at ND.
Ive finally arrived at this conclusion. Rich Rod is not a good head coach. He is a great OC but I just dont see the qualities that make him a good Head Coach. Ive seen people on here defend him by saying the D and Special teams are not his fault and that he has nothing to do with those. I say bullshit. He is the head coach, he has everything to do with everything.
My only fear is that we dont land our #1 target again, and look desperate again.
Rodriguez had no track record of being successful as a head coach and we shouldn't have hired him. I hope this next time we scour the nation for a proven winner that can build a strong program that continues to succeed after he leaves. Maybe we should consider someone from another Big 6 conference that has won repeated conference titles and won multiple bowl games so we know they're good at gameplanning. Someone who's gained a reputation nationally for being a successful coach. The kind of guy that Bo would have recognized as an up an coming talent. We really screwed the pooch this time but next time we'll get someone with a proven track record of success...
We find out through channels of contact whether we can get Harbaugh, and get the deal in place. If it falls through, keep Rich.
That's the about the only beauty of this built-in dead time in FBS.
Let's make it happen and get our program back. Right now, we're a running joke. We need serious surgery and aggressive action. Rich doesn't get it and honestly looks over his head.
Still he is our second best choice in this situation.
if not Harbaugh then definitely Dan Mullen. Just ask Florida fans why they think they are not as good as they used to be.