Are you referring to Joe Mama, the current defensive coordinator of the F-Us?
this may be of some local interest
Are you referring to Joe Mama, the current defensive coordinator of the F-Us?
Dark Blue, beat me to it. Well done.
As the Barenaked Ladies would say, "OOOOOooOOO it's all been done..."
Maybe you should sit this one out, Champ.
Whatever your feelings about the Barenaked Ladies, don't you dare ever denigrate The Friars' version of "If I had a Million Dollars". Any time you can throw a "Let's Go Blue!" into a pop song, it's ok by my book.
Besides, if you had a million dollars, which DC's love would you buy? And sorry, GERG, I have NOT always wanted a monkey...
At least I didn't refer to them as "yummy".
this is a new low.
I'll do it. For all of us.
and For Great Justice.
I love this so much I wanna take it behind the middle school and get it pregnant.
Magnus. He's tan, he's rested, he's ready.
But Mangus doesn't (presumbably) have the excellent white hair required to do the job.
Sounds like a 19th-century skin disease.
"I caught a nasty case of mangus while on safari in Upper Volta in 1896. I had to be carried out on a stretcher by a platoon of Her Majesty's finest through swamp and jungle, and then commenced by tramp steamer to return to Brazzaville, and spent six months recuperating eating nothing but sheep livers, the only cure for mangus at that time."
Gerg is our coach right now. Worry about it later.
I see here is that Rich Rod and Gibson are best buds. We have a catch 22 here. Rich needs to get a new D coordinator who has authority to run the scheme he wants with the coaches he wants. Problem is Gibson may not be part of that plan. Perhaps Gibson goes to a recruiting position? Or perhaps Rich saves himself?
Gibson to a "recruiting position" would be ideal, but you can only have so many coaches on the staff, and we can't afford to have one who only recruits.
I don't see it as a major problem. It is the AD's call. Rodriguez has had three years. It is clear that he has done enough to keep his job but not enough to keep his guys on defense. He may huff and puff, but ultimately Brandon is the law, not Rodriguez. Brandon should respect Rodriguez for being loyal to his guys, even to a fault, but he is blind if does not see the structural problems on defense.
at this point i don't care who the replacement is as long as they come in and do one f_king scheme and do it f_king well. look at Iowa, they run a relatively simple defense and they excel at it. who's megamind idea is it to take a bunch of young inexperienced players and have them switching up schemes constantly when not one of them is working out sufficiently... i'm no defensive megamind but when I see Iowa do what they do, make it simple make it successful, i'm all in...
I say Fonzi. Not Fonzi from happy days, but Mr. Coach Klein from Waterboy Fonzi. He did amazing work with their linebackers and found ways to neutralize Meenie.
I heard Rodriguez has had his eyes on Lombardi.
sigh. if only Ron English hadn't been fired. sad to see him at Eastern. he would never come back and RR would never ask him.
were still around, we'd just be mad at him instead of Gerg.
I've seen plenty of defenses with boatloads of talent fail to execute; just because he inherited talent doesn't mean he didn't utilize it well, particularly in his first year here. Aren't these the same complaints that people levelled at Les Miles winning with Saban's players, Meyer doing the same with Zook's, etc.?
Ron English was the head man behind the most dominant Michigan defense since the glory days of the 90s. Don't take away from that with Tuesday Morning Quarterbacking.
Neither can I ... does he mean Ron "1-20" English of the incredibly fortunate (2006) timing?
was loaded with the best defensive talent since the 97 squad and he underachieved!
Sure, you can point to 06, but all his d had to do was find a way to keep OSU under 30 points and he failed miserably.
He had 12 players that would go on to the NFL (with varying ranges of success) and although BGraham was a sophomore, the talent level was absurd.
Even his backups (Chirs Graham, Willis Barringer, John Thompson, Tim Jamison, Brandon Harrison) were solid and not inexperienced two stars or three star coners who were QBs last year.
English would be in the same boat as GERG, but maybe a little better ability to make adjustments. Maybe.
I said the same thing. It still pisses me off that the 06 team did not win a NC. I mean look at that talent on both sides of the ball. It was silly. Still makes me pissed to this day. ok i need to calm down im sorry. I just never liked English and whenever anyone mentions him as a DC I start boiling. Then I have flashbacks of Crable hitting douche bag Smith and I start having seizures. OK new topic please.
GERG had his one good college year at Texas where he inherited a boat load of talent and his job was to not screw it up.
Ron English had his one good year at Michigan where he inherited a boat load of talent and his job was to not screw it up.
Seconded. Apparently this would go a long way towards getting some of the "old guard" back on board, if that's important to anyone. I don't endorse that point of view (i.e. that which doesn't accept Rich because of where he came from, etc), but if it brings people together and he's also a great candidate and a guy who played for Bo... seems almost like a no-brainer to me.
hasn't coached in CFB since the Lou Holtz era. His RECENT success with GB (in contrast to GERG's 90s glory days) seems to bode well, but he doesn't seem to have much in the way of college defense coaching bona-fides. He seems like a solid pick-up, but then again, Charlie Weis was (and is) a pretty good offensive NFL coordinator whose schemes didn't translate well. NFL => College translation is a dicey proposition; we would be better off with someone on their way up the defensive coaching ranks in CFB or by getting a sweet pick-up like Casteel.
My only concern with Casteel is that I think I'd rather see Michigan move away from the 3-3-5. Maybe Casteel's the guy to come in and run it well and everybody on the staff will get along great, and that would be nice.
I just feel like I'd rather see them go in a different direction. Run a standard base 4-3 and learn to run it well, instead of continually (seemingly) confusing the players.
In the end, I'll be happy with any move that gets someone in here who can put even a mediocre defense on the field. With the way the offense is shaping up for next year, I'd take a mediocre defense in a heartbeat right now if it meant low variance and less risk of a repeat of this season.
given Rodriguez's reputation for interfering with DCs (and Scott Schafer's success after leaving Michigan), plus given that a smooth transition would be best, Casteel makes the most sense for a lot of reasons. A 3-3-5 guru like Rodriguez wants, an excellent recruiter, good synergy with a coach who has a tough track record with DCs, and MOST importantly-- an excellent defensive cordinator.
4-3, 4-4, 3-3-5, etc. are all irrelevant if the coach drawing up these schemes isn't competent. Casteel is a professional, and while perhaps not the best possible DC out there, he's the best possible DC for the specific context of 2011 M Football
Charlie Wies' offense was just fine at ND. He had a Heisman canidate.
I do agree with your main point though. The problem is that RR cannot afford to take even the slightest flier. Often times picking that young guys is risky. Maybe you look to an older guy that has been around awhile and had success possibly at a lower level of the food chain. I am not mentioning him as a canidate at all but a guy who has been around some successful defenses and has been mostly successful would be someone like Dan McCarney.
1. Compile a list of schools who have recently fired their HC or will be firing their HC at the end of the season.
2. See if any of the HCs or DCs from that list have a track record of producing good COLLEGE defenses.
3. Add to that list any other candidates you think you can hire away if the price is right.
3. Rank those that are available.
4. Mail blank check to the person at the top of said list.
We'll choose the same way they pick the pope. Everyone reaches into the jar and draws a pickled egg. Whoever gets the black egg becomes the defensive coordinator
To answer your question honestly...my hope is that West Virginia loses the rest of their games, Bill Stewart and his whole staff are fired, and we get to scoop up Jeff Casteel. He's the perfect guy, RichRod wanted him to come with him initially but he didn't want to move his family. He'd get total control of the Defense. It's unlikely WVU would consider promoting him because they already did an in-house hire with Stewart and that failed miserably. Outside of that, I really don't know who DC candidates would be.
pretty certain that Casteel will be looking for a HC position, especially since it's likely that he'll be leaving. I haven't seen any evidence of this one way or the other, but it seems reasonable given his track record of success.
Tony Gibson may receive a promotion! He has the recruiting chops. Gerg can move to a position coach until retirement.
How about LB coach? I mean, I know we generally aren't pleased with his DC job, but what is the verdict on his LB coaching?
PETE REKSTIS’ COACHING EXPERIENCE
Seasons School Position(s)
2004-present Kent State Defensive Coordinator
2001-03 Youngstown State Defensive Coordinator
1999-00 Youngstown State Assistant Coach
1997-98 Austin Peay Defensive Coordinator
1994-96 U.S. Coast Guard Academy Defensive Coordinator
1991-92 Eastern Michigan Graduate Assistant
1987-90 Youngstown State Defensive Back
Those who have no clue who this gentleman is, look no further than you kent state golden flashes!
Currently has his defense 9th in the NCAA in overall defense, has semi-pseudo history with Tressel, and can flat out coach a defense.
This is telling:
In 9 games, against 638 plays, he has his players only yielding 298.78 per game. Stellar. Plus, they have a 4-5 record...almost an anomoly.
The schedule they've played isn't exatly world-beating. Particularly since they have been soundly defeated by Miami and PSU, I can see why they wouldn't get into shootouts with good teams; the games are over too fast.
Otherwise, their schedule is mostly against not-exactly-offensive-juggernauts like Murray State, Temple, Akron, Toledo, Bowling Green, BoCo.
If we follow a lot of football, we know that doing more with less is always better. Kent State hasn't exactly been lighting up the recruiting trail, yet, with the 1-2 star guys he has, he gets results. From His Bio at Kent State's Website:
In 2007, KSU was second in the MAC in rushing defense (157.3), third in total defense (385.6), first in tackles for loss (7.25 — 19th nationally) and fourth in sacks (1.92).
In 2006, the Golden Flashes ranked second in the MAC and 25th in the country in total defense (297.9 ypg), while leading the conference in yards allowed per play (4.6, 16th in the nation), pass defense efficiency (99.9, 4th in the nation) and tackles for losses per game (8.0, 4th in the nation).
In 2005 Rekstis led a team that finished third in the MAC and 24th in the nation in pass defense, allowing just 190.5 yards per game while having only 15 touchdowns scored against them.
Rekstis led a dramatic and record-setting turnaround in his first season in charge of the Kent State defense. He oversaw a unit that had ranked 12th of 14 teams in total defense in the Mid-American Conference in 2003, then finished first in the league and 15th nationally in total defense in 2004. The team also set a school record for quarterback sacks in a season with 34.
The Golden Flashes led the MAC in rushing defense that season, allowing just 2.9 yards per carry. Included in that total was a dominating performance at Buffalo when they held the Bulls to a record-low four net rushing yards. The Flashes also finished second in the league in pass defense and intercepted 15 passes.
I don't think competence necessarily means a big name from a big program. With him having some Tressel experience I bet he could do a lot more than many would give him credit for. Just look above at his results this year.
UFR, to be fair, you certainly have a strong point with regard to the talent differential. And certainly, coaches like Boise's Chris Peterson don't exactly play world-beating schedules either.
His defenses certainly aren't going to be confused with those of LSU or Florida, but then again, that's not a fair comparison. I think you're right that's it's reaonable to project that he has a bright future. A reasonable candiate, to be sure.
Most people didn't think Illinois or PSU were offensive jugernauts heading into their games with UM. Indiana hasn't exactly been carving up big ten defenses either (except of course UM's). I think I saw someon post that so far this season one of UMass's best days on offense statistically is against UM - even though UMass has been playing 1-AA teams most of the year.
Tressel's schedule at YSU wasn't very "world-beating" either and I think we know how that has gone. If you can coach football, you can coach football. I don't care what level it is on, or who the competition is. A good coach puts his players in the correct places to make plays and develops them into better players, regardless if they are 5* recruits or 1*. I would gladly welcome this guy into our program if he can coach the defense to respectability.
For coming up with an interesting and original answer.
i look at that list and all i see is Shafer sitting at #10... and all i think i want to pretend i know, goes out the window.
I'm intrigued by the number 4 team on that list. Let's get that guy.
Oh yeah, I understand he runs a 3-3-5, and his team doesn't recruit as well as Michigan either.
If RR insists on controlling the scheme as it has been reported, then Casteel is the best choice, if available. If not, back up the $$ truck and convince the defensive staff from TCU to come north.
That's exactly what I said about a week ago.
Careful there, Roy... if you don't give it a rest you'll get very chafed and raw.
That's what boards are for, after all.
But I think that Gerg is staying, at least another year, for many and various reasons.
Now, I do think we need to strengthen a few of the position coaches. And I think there needs to be full agreement between RR & Gerg on what schemes are run. But should Gerg go? No. And will Gerg go? I'll bet money not.
We are going to win two more games.
Holy crap, I want to believe that so badly. Please convince me. Either that, or pass over some of what you're drinking. Getting a W at home against Wisconsin would just feel so sweet. And obviously going into the Shoe and stealing one would be just glorious.
I'm not married and I don't have kids, so I think it's safe to say that if we beat OSU at OSU, that would be the best day of my life thus far.
I am married and have kids, and beating OSU at the shoe this year would rival any day as the best day of my life!
Just kidding...or am I?
Here are a bunch of reasons I'll bet we win two more games.
Take it for what it's worth. (not much, in other words.) But I really believe we are well set to see two more wins.
There is always a chance and we will score some, but the game is in Columbus and OSU leads the Big Ten in ppg at 42 (U of M is second at 39) and also leads the Big Ten in points against at like 12. We are not going to win barring a string of lucky events and our best effort of the year with zero mistakes. Since we have been making a ton of unforced errors, it is always possible. But man, its unlikely.
God help me.
If Gerg is cut by RR, this is ultimately an indictment of RR and his bad skills in choosing a coaching staff.
If GERG is a terrible DC and Rodriguez keeps him on, then Rodriguez is indicted for failing to hire decent assistants and failing to fire assistants that deserve it. Also, for the record, Rodriguez has done a terrible job assembling a defensive coaching staff.
RR has asked for patience to have his players on board. It would be the height of hypocrisy for him to ask for patience for himself, and then have none for his own coaching staff. If we judged RR in year two of his tenure (i.e., last year,) he would already be gone.
If Rodriguez produced a worse team in year 2 than year 1, he would have been fired...and banished from Ann Arbor.
We are going to win two more games. With a record of 8 - 4, you just don't fire the DC.
I admire your optimism. I also don't share it. Are we going to beat Wisconsin or Ohio State? And besides, when you go 8-4 with the 114th ranked defense in the country, then your defense probably cost you a BCS bowl and you fire the DC.
We don't want a third DC in so few years. Continuity is important.
Continuity is important, but if continuity involves repeatedly mismanaging position switches, using dysfunctional schemes, and making bad play calls, then its detrimental. And good first year DCs can actually get results. Last week notwithstanding, Illinois is a great example of that.
We have had a ridiculous number of true freshmen playing D. (And for those who point to the offense, and freshmen playing the analogy is FAIL. On offense, when you have a true freshman at QB, and true freshmen on the OL, you lose. The backfield, with the exception of QB, is where freshmen fit in most easily.)
First of all, we had a true freshman playing QB last year and the offense was largely competent. Second of all, roster mismanagement is a major factor in why we have so many freshman playing. We have Vinopal at FS because we moved Gordon there over Emilien and he transferred as a result. And we have Avery at CB because of a combination of injuries (nobody's fault) and Turner leaving. And yes, I do ascribe a fair amount of blame to the coaches for the attrition suffered this year because it was mainly their players leaving in a year where they all had shots at playing time because we have little depth because they couldn't convince guys who had clear shots at playing time to stick around and they made questionable roster decisions like moving Gordon to FS that took away Emilien's shot at starting.
I've drank the koolaid, I'm all in, win or lose, with RR. Even with 4 or 5 straight losses in the Big 10.
If you think that the coaches are doing a terrible job and have actual arguments behind your reasoning, then you can voice your opinion and still be a true Michigan fan. This "all in" schtick has gotten out of hand. I agree that it's bad form to go off and denigrate the players, but we've gotten to the point where a significant number of people think that it's sacrilege to criticize the coaches because it harms the program. First of all, the coaches are performing badly enough to warrant firing and the team would be better off if they were fired, then arguing for their firing provides pressure to achieve an end that will benefit the program overall. Second of all, IT DOESN'T HARM THE PROGRAM TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE COACHES! EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY KNOWS THAT RODRIGUEZ IS ON THE HOT SEAT BECAUSE HE'S COACHED THE WORST STRETCH OF MICHIGAN FOOTBALL SINCE 1934-36 AND IF SOMEONE ON THE INTERNET SAYS HE SHOULD BE FIRED OR RETAINED, IT WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING. It is amazing how supporting Rodriguez has become a de facto loyalty test when he's clearly and obviously made a ton of mistakes recruiting, managing coaches, managing the defense, and making play calls. For the record, I support keeping him as coach if he wins 1 of the next three because of the potential this team has for next year, but I can see that there are plenty of valid arguments for firing him. This isn't really related to GERG or even necessarily to what you wrote, but to the sentiment of this board in general.
That's why they play the games, after all. Truly, it will be good to assess the defense over the next three games. If they are lost, and we're not even in the game because of the defense, that falls on Gerg. Conversely, however, if we play all three games tough, and as I predict, win two of the remaining games, I do think that Gerg stays.
My personal preference is for RR to give Gerg another year. But given the defense this year, I could understand if Gerg, and the rest of the defensive coaches, had to take the fall.
And it is time for me to change my signature.
We don't want a third DC in so few years. Continuity is important.
Continuity is important when you have good coaching. When you have poor coaching, it's pointless.
Our 1997 national championship team was on its third DC in four years. OSU's 2002 national championship team was on its third DC in four years. Texas's 2005 national championship team was on its third DC in three years. Really, it's not a big deal. If the only argument for keeping GERG around is "continuity," then he's got to go.
...I think GERG goes. (Someone has to play Devils Advocate)
All 5 of your points are true in and of themselves. But none of tham take DB into consideration.
1. If GERG is cut, it will be an indictment of DB flexing his muscles and showing RR's skill at choosing a D staff is poor.
2. DB will give RR the patience he asks for as deserved for quality of recruiting (I'm not touching the academic or attrition issue) and quality of offense (last years O was markedly better than the previous).
3. We could go 12-0, but if you are doing it by the skin of your teeth every week and your offense HAS to make basketball type scores to offset the defensive woes, you could make an argument for a change for the benefit of the team as a whole.
4. Perception IS reality. Perception that we dont care about the D is getting to the point of being as important as continuity. And DB looks thru "big picture" glasses.
5. Improvement and fundamentals. If DB sees either of these on the D, GERG may keep his job. I trust DB's judgement more than mine, but I havent seen said necessities.
If GERG is cut, it will be an indictment of DB flexing his muscles and showing RR's skill at choosing a D staff is poor
Are you assuming that RR is committed to keeping GERG? I think you may be very mistaken on that one.
What about Chuck Heater? Former Bo player. There was speculation about him last year, but I believe it wasn't to replace GRob but to replace Hopson. Not sure that was much of an upgrade. He's pretty loyal to Meyer, but giving him reigns as the sole DC would be an upgrade to his current position. IIRC he's also a great recruiter.
I hate to sound cliché, but dammit when the offense is firing on all cylinders we can score on ANYONE at ANYTIME and very very quickly. We will win 2 more games, scratch that, I'm going to stretch it and say 3. Write that down.
Dick Bumpas would be my choice. TCU consistently has a top D year in year out. Also, he runs a 4-2-5 which I think would be beneficial given the type of athletes we have. Just my opinion though. Not too many people threw out a name so I figured I would throw someone out there.
I don't see him making a move at his age (yeah I know he's the same age as Gerg). He's kind of intertwined with Patterson (he coached Patterson when Patterson was playing, and then Patterson ocached under Bumpas at Utah State and Navy), and thus seems content to stick with Patterson. He's also from the South, so not sure what his incentive was to come up here.
For what it's worth, he was the DC at Western Michigan before TCU. Maybe he enjoyed his experience in MI then?
The guy is good. He knows his shit. He develops players and...wait for it...........he actually freaking recruits!
The real key question is what will or should be done with the entire defensive coaching staff?
Who stays, who goes, and how does the staff work with each other and the head coach?
Changing coordinators while not letting him have his own guys underneath him is how we got here in the first place (read: departure of Shafer, hiring of GR, etc). Our head coach, like most human beings, has his strengths and weaknesses. Many of his traits cut both ways. His loyalty to the assistant coaches who came with him from WVU is admirable, but it is also a weakness in that it has hampered his ability to have a clear leader on the defensive side of the ball judged as being in charge.
Anyone who has taken a postion at a new place of employment can relate to what Shafer and Gerg are/were/have been going through in terms of having a bunch of assistants who work for you who constantly go to your boss.....thus, the 3-4, 4-3, 3-3-5, whatever and whom to play where confusion that appears to reign on the defense.
The guy can tackle. May improve our tackling ability.
When you can have Olde English?
She can coach my defense any day of the week.
Also, in all seriousness, probably Jeff Casteel.
Wow. I wonder where she stores all the fluids from that bottle?
I have 2 ideas.
OMG i just litterally yelled at work. WOW this now my desktop. Best day ever. THANK YOU
So what are the odds we're able to hire Monte Kiffin away from USC.
None. Yeah that's what I thought.
I see the logic of getting Jeff Casteel on board, but my question is, if he didn't come over with the rest of the troupe in '08, what makes anyone think he wants to come over now presuming he still has a job at WVU? He said no to Michigan already, didn't he?
He was offered the job in 2008 and said no. He was offered it again a year later and again said no. I doubt he'd accept it again. And I think that's fine. I originally wanted us to make another run at him, but now that I think about it, if RR's going to be a championship coach, he's got to get over the Casteel security blanket. Coordinators come and go. He needs to display the flexibility to allow a different guy to come in and run what he wants.
GERG yet. Year two, he is strapped with incredibly inexperienced personnel, there has been some fairly rational speculation that he is/was resistant to running a scheme against his preference, and I just think that firing a coach because "somebody has to be to blame" and introducing young players to another voice spouting different principles can hinder development. Neither Rich nor Greg have ever coached in this conference, and while football is football, I think that growing pains in new territory are to be expected. I think the case for firing Coach Rod as the head coach is actually stronger than firing GERG at this point, not to say that parting ways with either would be wise. I think these coaches are learning, Coach Rod is running into bumps in the road as to how to pick up 3rd and 2 against monster Big Ten defensive lines with a (strategically) undersized O-line, GERG is having trouble turning boys into men on the other side of the ball.
The wheel of death, yes troubling, but all it takes in one player in that defensive secondary to say "hey I have seen this before" and make a play. A defensive coordinator can scheme as well as he wants but he simply can't hold hands with his players on the field and take them where they need to go. The guys on D will get it, don't look now(Blaha tribute) but it looks like Demens, Cam Gord, and Avery already are. Lets see how our embroiled defensive coordinator does in the next three weeks before crowning him the sacrificial lamb.
GERG is not the sole problem on D. No reasonable person would argue that. However, his horrendous track record over the past decade strongly suggests that he is unlikely to be the solution to our defensive problems. You just don't field six terrible defenses in a row (four at Syracuse, two at Michigan) because of bad luck.
Our solution is most likely a two-part process:
1. RR's got to get over his 3-3-5 obsession.
2. RR's got to let GERG go and hire a new guy, who can run whatever he wants.
in the long and storied history of Michigan football. This defense team (statistically) would need to give up ... ready for this .... a total of 25 points (8.3 ppg) in the last 3 games and less than 637 yards (212.3 ypg) to simply equal the worst Michigan defense ever ... LAST YEAR'S GERG coached defense.
I don't think GERG is a bad guy ... but the job isn't getting done. I cannot see any reason whatsoever to think next year would be diferent. I see our defense playing extremely hard but getting little to no results. The defense has 2 turnovers in 5 B10 games .. this has to be a record in futility.
I saw improvement last week with Roh on the line ... but really, we still gave up 500 yards and 45 points in regulation. Illinois changed DC last year and their defense was in the top 20 in the country ... until they met RR's offense. Michigan's players deserve more from coaches charged with those responsibilites.
Go Blue !
Go pay the guy at TCU $Texas. They're on their way to a third straight year #1 in yardage.
Gerg with just for men established brown hair color? He gets a new look, new feel. I think that's the answer.
Seriously, he's not going anywhere right now. Who knows, maybe he wins two of the next three and becomes loved.
Why do you assume his job is safe? He and RR do not have a long history together, and there is a considerable amount of circumstantial evidence that RR does not trust him very much.
Whatever happens, RR needs to stay on the offensive side of the ball and leave the D to the D coach. With all of his attention on the O, it is scary what the potential is.
Marvin Lewis after he gets fired this year.
Ya bottom line is that whoever is the d coord next year must have full control. RR needs to be strictly involved with the offense and thats it. I understand hes the head coach and he is in charge of everything but I coach high shcool football and our head coach is an offensive guy and he lets my dad who is the DC do all the defense. Im not comparing a high school program to that of Michigan's, but the principle is the same. RR is an offensive guy and he needs to let the DC have 100% control.