"If" game .. LB or Safety positions
The day before signing day..offseason..so i am thinking ahead
IF(in caps) we sign Parker and Dorsey do we see MRob and Furman both add weight and move to LB ? .. When i think about this it is scary .. scary for opposing teams .. i wouldnt expect it right away but can you imagine them in their Sophmore years .. Furman and MRob weighing 225-230 lbs with the speed they have at the LB spots ..
Or do one of them take the spinner spot .. or stay as a safety? .. IMO Dorsey would be our SS centerfielder and im not 100% that we have one in this class if he doesnt come to UM
So how do you guys see the positioning play out in the different circumstances of IF we sign Parker and/or Dorsey ? and in worst case neither ?
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:49 PM ^
SS - Parker, Vinopal
CB - Dorsey, Christian, Talbott, Avery
FS - Robinson, Johnson
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:53 PM ^
You really think Robinson will stay at FS? I just think his measurables make him the perfect candidate for a move to LB. Just curious why you think he'll stay at safety
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:56 PM ^
a) He's being recruited to play FS
b) What other options do we have? Kovacs isn't a legitimate option if you want to get back to the top of the conference, Mike Williams obviously isn't ready, and Emilien hasn't played a lick of defense.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:01 PM ^
So you believe that a true freshman at one of the hardest positions to play as a true freshman is a better option than Williams (who I'm not a fan of but at least has experience) and Emilien who didn't play because he redshirted but at least has a year in the system under his belt? I find that a little hard to swallow. I think he will be a good player, but asking someone to start at FS as a true freshman is dangerous and I'm not sure it's a good idea
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:04 PM ^
I didn't say he would start.
And Emilien didn't redshirt.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:06 PM ^
You said what other options do we have, which implies he is the best option, which implies he starts. Whether or not emilien redshirted he still has a year more experience in the system
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:09 PM ^
He is the best option for the long haul. Gardner might be a better QB than Forcier in this offense, but it won't be in 2010.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:12 PM ^
I want to argue with you, but that chick in your picture is too hot.
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:21 PM ^
Anyways he only listed our incoming recruits to the position that they project to. I don't think he was saying that is what our depth chart will look like.
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:49 PM ^
I think Sam Webb said Dorsey was offered to play CB and WR... Woodson much?
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:56 PM ^
Furman will definitely be an LB and I have only heard the same for MRob. I think MRob could play safety this year if we go 0-fer tomorrow on the last 3 guys we're heavily recruiting. He is too much of a man-beast to not move to LB. I agree with your thoughts about their speed at the LB position, it would be scary. I really think our D will be dominant in a couple of years. That's one of many reasons I hope RR does well enough to see these classes come to fruition.
February 2nd, 2010 at 12:59 PM ^
Its 0fer2 now.
We went Ofer1 today.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:09 PM ^
If that's all you've heard regarding MRob, you haven't been listening.
As Magnus has stated previously, MRob will play FS. That is directly from his mouth.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:00 PM ^
I agree with the Dorsey at CB idea .. i can see that all the way and i think he would fill the position very well.
I have a hard time seeing MRob staying at S because he would not be my top option to defend the pass .. i see him more as a sideline to sideline pusuit LB .. and dropping into short zones
Furman i could see playing the spinner
1 thing is for sure tho .. this is a good problem to have
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:06 PM ^
If this defense is run to its full potential, the FS won't have a lot of deep coverage, anyway.
Also, there's no such thing as a Spinner. He's just a strongside linebacker (SAM). Greg Robinson said himself that there's no position in his defense called the "spinner."
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:34 PM ^
I have read about Gerg saying there is no spinner but it is easier for some to grasp as just saying its the Steve Brown position or the spinner.
RR and Gerg know very well what they are doing but when i think of our future D i see it like this .. but i can be goofy sometimes
CB - Christian,Avery,Dorsey?,Jones,Talbott
SS - Turner,Carvin Johnson,Vinopal,TGordon
FS - MRob,Vlad,Parker?
SAM - Furman,Bell
MLB - Ryan
WLB - Hawthorne,MJones,CGordon (if he makes the move which i read coaches are talking to him about)
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:42 PM ^
Teric Jones is moving back to offense for the spring.
Turner has to play corner. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
Carvin Johnson is a FS.
Bell is an inside linebacker.
Hawthorne is a SAM.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:53 PM ^
What your saying is the Facts .. but take note of my "what i see"
Because i have been watching Turner and Bell since JT was a Junior and Bell was a Sophmore ..both being from HS that i go see often.
I see Turner as a safety alot more than a CB .. im not questioning the coaches im just saying what i feel
And Bell looked good in coverage when Liberty HS played Pass happy teams .. I think he makes a good ILB after some weight adding and agree with the move to the inside.
And i seen someone said Teric was moving back to the O .. i just feel we have more immediate needs at the CB because alot of people want Woolfolk at SS
February 2nd, 2010 at 4:25 PM ^
If Bell is good a pass coverage, would we be able to run the Tampa 2 out of GERG's base defense?
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:25 PM ^
We ran Tampa 2 a few times last year. I particularly remember it against PSU. We just weren't very good at it.
February 2nd, 2010 at 2:03 PM ^
You don't think that Fitz or Demens will crack the 2 or 3 deep in the next 2 years? I think Fitz could push to be a starter this year, even over the 2 senior LBs.
February 2nd, 2010 at 3:59 PM ^
I was sticking to the 09' and 10' classes as just getting a general idea of how we will get the younger guys situated in the position of their future ..
Fitz and Demens have alot to prove over the spring and into the fall .. I think both are strong and have a chance to be solid players.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:06 PM ^
Mack Brown has done that since he has been at Texas. He will recruit kids that are safeties and move them to OLB. OLB play DE. And have his athletes play as CB. He has always tried to maximize speed at the Corner and OLB spots in order to bring pressure. If you watch a lot of Texas games....those guys will blitz and come off the edge a lot. And lo and behold we have Greg Robinson who was the D-Coordinator at Texas. Go back and look at the roster when Greg Robinson was there and look how they converted their safeties and LB's. Michigan's defense will begin to mirror a Big 12 defense before too long. Which is good....because once the speed is there....they will attack more...at least they did at Texas when Robinson was there.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:12 PM ^
Kids are usually told that when they're recruited. Coaches say, "I know you play safety, but we see you as a linebacker" or "I know you play tackle, but we think you'd make a better guard."
They're not usually told, "You're going to play free safety" and then blind-sided by a position change at the last minute.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:20 PM ^
Mack is the ultimate salesman. He gets these kids to buy in. What position do you think Orakpo. Kindle started out at...LB. He got Chiles to move to WR even though he was the backup QB to Colt...and Chiles got there at the same time as Colt and made the switch to WR last season. Look I am not saying coaches don't give kids the heads up before they get to school...I am just pointing out...once they get there...coaches see them in another position as a better fit....it is then up to that coach to sell that player on that switch and buy in.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:31 PM ^
It's not unheard of for a guy to change positions once he realizes that the guy ahead of him can't be beaten out. The Chiles example is somewhat irrelevant.
February 2nd, 2010 at 3:41 PM ^
I agree. It's also why Denard Robinson won't sit the bench his entire time at Michigan.
Playmakers have to play.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:16 PM ^
Unless the guy's name is Joseph Barksdale.
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:42 PM ^
Furman will play spinner
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:43 PM ^
There's no such position.
February 2nd, 2010 at 3:25 PM ^
That's NOT what she said.
February 2nd, 2010 at 2:18 PM ^
Speaking of the mythological spinner, any chance Brown is drafted or makes an NFL squad this fall? What's the scuttlebutt?
February 2nd, 2010 at 2:23 PM ^
AFAIK, he hasn't been invited to the Combine yet. So that's not a great sign...
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:47 PM ^
The coaches told MRob he will be starting out at FS, which I think is what will happen. However, if he puts on more weight, and a couple of the other FS type guys (Emilien and Carvin come to mind) are looking really strong and no one emerges as a playmaker at the SAM, I think he'll move. The depth chart at the SAM isn't too long, and unless Furman stays there (I think he ends up a WILL) there will be no one ahead of him except Hawthorne. BH might end up a star, but he hasn't proven anything yet. MRob might welcome the move.