Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
If Coach Hoke wants to unite the fanbase and bring back Michigan Football, I have a simple yet obvious suggestion for Step 1
and I believe he's adressed this... he doesn't break contracts, we're stuck with our shitty deal with adidas until it runs out
I think OP is just talking about changing the design, not breaking the contract with adidas. I did think it was pretty funny that all of the players apparently started chanting Nike tho.
Haha, that is awesome. Where did you hear about the players chanting nike?
right after brandon announced his decision to the team
I can live with it, those practice unis are an embarassment though. The one thing I can say for Adidas, I love the font on the shirts though:
Block M Michigan gets collegiate font, not neo-digital font. I've always hated that font as soon as Adidas took over.
We have never had a font like that. There is no way you can support this coach and the classic history of Michigan football and like that font!
I had no idea that that was a determining factor in ones fanhood... I also like calibri, what does that mean?
It's a question of branding. Your brand is "Block M", "history", "most wins", "powerhouse", "smashmouth" football.
No way you represent yourself with neo-digital font. You're not Oregon (as much as you wish you were in that championship). You ARE college football!
It's just another damn font, I'm wearing a Michigan Shirt right now with the normal collegeate font and guess what logo is above the word "Michigan", that's right it's adidas. I'm no less a fan of Brady Hoke or of Michigan and it's history and tradition than anyone else because I happen to think that the font used in the shirt above looks sweet.
That's what you don't understand.
Your font represents your brand as an institution. Adidas was the first to ever market Michigan football with a font like that. They weren't representing the Michigan brand, they were representing the generic font Adidas wanted every team to use so it would be easier for their sweatshop workers to produce high volumes.
The control of brand should always fall to the institution, not to the marketer who is making money off that brand.
as the university is viewed, it looks cool, but other than that it does nothing, same can be said of the traditional collegeate font.
What is far more important and says more about the University, and it's "brand" is what the font spells out, what the words say. Getting up in arms over a font is a waste of energy. As long as what is being said of written or whatever portrays the University in a positive fasion who cares what font is used as long as it's legible.
I still don't see how I'm any less enthusiastic about Michigan or it's history because I like the look of a font, and if it's not a question of liking a font, why did you question my allegence because I like that font?
There is no way you can support this coach and the classic history of Michigan football and like that font!
You think Nike never used anything but good ol' Block M? I got about 3 sweatshirts from the 90's rocking FUTURA BOLD that might tell you otherwise...
It reminds me of the font used to spell out "Michigan Stadium" on the old press box.
Wow, what a rickety mess the old press box was...never really paid much attention to it, but in light of the new Michigan Stadium boxes, it's almost embarrassing to have put that structure out there as the face of the stadium...it looks like it's being held together with spit and bailing wire.
That structure supported Brandstatter. I just can't believe it.
I doubt the contract requires the horns. Head coaches usually get a say in uniform design. I don't care who the supplier is, but they don't usually resist when the school wants a change in the design.
You are correct. Actually, we have two dedicated, onsite account reps with Adidas. And it was expressly written into the contract that we would have input into the designs, something we did not actually have with Nike previously.
Here's an article from the Daily that talks a bit about the contract.
There are a couple others out there as well.
Maybe DB should have clarified, "I don't break contracts - unless they are with the Head football coach and all of his staff."
Not to mention that any time a school uses Nike stuff, they invariably just give money to the Oregon football program. Phil Knight funnels a shit ton of money there, and is probably the reason they now have kick-ass facilities and are now a national power.
Screw horns, I want to see them actually attempt to nail down what maize actually looks like.
No small feat. Many people at maize outs are still wearing blue. They're way off!
According to this, "maize" was copyrighted by Nike, so we're stuck with the Adidas knock off "sun." Assuming that's true, Nike is the devil and someone in the athletic department (or legal department) dropped the ball, massively.
Well, yeah, but that doesn't mean it needs to be highlighter-yellow, though. They erred on the wrong side of the yellow spectrum, IMO.
And if you look at what maize has historically been, it's been almost everything BUT this neon yellow deal. Some of the 70's shades (pants not necessarily matching helmets) were darn near orange.
Yes, but the 70s shades were pre-Nike. I personally think the mid-90s/early-2000s Nike apparel looked the best of any in the years immediately preceding or following it. The official Nike colorway we used is known as "Varsity Maize / Midnight Navy." The Maize was indeed unique to Michigan--actually created for Michigan when the Fab Five first donned their Nike unis--whereas other 'yellows' exist for specific entities: Iowa has "Goldenrod" and the LA Lakers have "Del Sol." For people who give Nike shit for 'keeping' the Maize colorway from us, consider that they were the ones who developed the shade that many of us prefer aesthetically. I'm all for capitalism and having the top apparel contract in the nation, but there's just something about the pervasiveness of branding that renders my eye more pleased when I look at photos/footage from 5 years ago. I hate that I'm about to quote Jim Rome, but he's fond of saying, "Look good, feel good. Feel good, play good [sic]." There's something to that IMO, and I think it's very real for 18-year-old kids who want the brand of choice (Oregon, anyone?). Steve Breaston talks about this all the time and says he likely wouldn't have been as attracted to Michigan if it was an Adidas school during his recruitment. Also, as a fan I'd much prefer wearing a Nike Michigan jersey to an adidas Michigan jersey--I have a "Woodson" and a "McGuffie," and the look of the former is much more striking.
The Fab Five NEVER wore Nike unis. Michigan was not a Nike school until 1994, so the only ones of the five that could have worn Nike would have been Ray Jackson and Jimmy King, though I think their senior year was the last pre-Nike year.
The iconic maize Fab Five unis from 1991-93 were made by Russell.
Good call. Didn't they wear the Huaraches though?
You're correct! They wore Nike Air Hurraches, and black Nike socks!.
Weren't the shorts DeLong?
One of the styles you could buy in the store were made by DeLong, but I'm almost 100% certain the game uniforms were made by Russell.
what "horns" are you talking or trying to point about?..lol
i cant find them anywhere!! haha
You mean the tabs that every single helmet visor has, that invariably have a Nike/Oakley/UA/adidas logo on them? If I'm not mistaken, those tabs are how they actually stay on the helmet. And not every player wears one anyway.
See those little Adidas logos on Roy Roundtree's helmet right above the facemask? Those are the horns.
Like hell they are. I'm talking about the wrap-around stripe on the waist that looks like bull horns, plus the diagonal piping on the shoulders.
I don't know. On one hand, Adidas has shitty stuff for consumers to buy. On the other hand, do you really want to be a part the uniform revolution that Nike subjects its teams too? You think they wouldn't insist that we do that ourselves? Fuck that.
they have to want the Nike pro combat unis... seriously, who's the retard in tsio's AD that keeps approving those eyesores?
Filthy lucre, TRSaunders...filthy lucre. What's the best way to get your fan-base who each own 3+ pieces of tsio gear to buy more stuff? Why, introduce new Retro Uni's, of course!
Just follow the money and it all becomes clear.
The same one that said TP and company sold their trophies, rings, pants and jerseys to help their families.
I do not trust in my AD to make the correct decision regarding this issue.
I think that was just in anticipation of a hat trick.
at least they made the school in ohio look like raaaatards this past year..
Pro Tec Combat, here we come. Hoo-boy.
If the players want it, I'm All In for it too. And I'll probably think it looks awesome because I'll be inebriated at the time.
Edit: This comment also works as a response to TTUWolverine's comment.
Conceivably, knowing our "passionate" fan base, they could make Pro Combat uniforms that work for us. Very basic jerseys, just using the Pro Tec fit, and then go nuts on the under-layers.
Does anyone know when the adidas contract runs out?
I believe 2014
dammit, I was hoping it was like 2012 or something.
I'm all for ending the curse and bringing back Nike. Long before I ever came to Michigan--probably goes back to the Fab Five era--I've always seen Michigan as a foundation "Nike" school. Hoping we can get Nike to outbid Adidas next time. Bring back the swoosh.
I believe PSU and FSU were the first two schools to sign university-wide Nike deals. They signed them around 1993. We signed ours in '94, and OSU and others signed around the same time. (Our football and men's basketball coaches had deals with Nike going back to the early '80s.)
Michigan's uniform components pre-Nike were a hodgepodge of manufacturers. And some of that stuff was swoosh-ified once the switch was made in '94-95. In fact, I have a pair of football game pants I bought at the athletic department garage sale sometime in 97-98 (I think) that have a Wilson manufacturer's tag inside, but a Nike swoosh embroidered on the front.
Also, anybody remember the general grumbling and gnashing of teeth when it was announced the swoosh was going to be on the football jerseys?
Yeah - and I vaguely remember that Nike screwed up the colors on the uniforms of one of our women's teams (volleyball?). They had like UCLA blue or something.
The hockey jersey's they used for the big chill were awfull as well.
I would like to see captains and the #1 jersey comeback, That would be a good step for me.
I'm in for bringing the #1 back if we have a receiver who deserves it.
The hockey jerseys were fine except for that stupid Arby's logo on the shoulder.
I don't really care if we have Adidas or not, but we definitely need to get rid of those stripes on the sides of the away uniforms. I don't understand what the designers were going for.
Those were designed before RR got here. The designs are made up the previous fall. So, if there were going to be any changes for this fall's uniforms, they'd already be in the mix.
Looks ugly as hell to me. To each their own though.
I just realized they are throwbacks so I dig the tradition and it's not addidas fault completly.
I agree if we have a reciever that deserves it.
I hope once the contract is up, we sign with Puma. We can be the first with the Puma Prowlers.
We should go with Asics. Asics make your team sick (the good way)!
I like it. Can we keep the flames?
we should just have the MDen make our uniforms
We make SO much $$$ from the Adidas contract (~$7.5M/yr, that's more than OR gets from Nike BTW) that Nike would have to ante up big time come renegotiation time for us to switch I think. Business is business.
Just what I want..Go back to Nike so they can come up with a "cool" design that wont have our own colors in the Uniforms..No thank you..The hidious nike uni's that I saw this year are enough for me to think of Under Armor before Nike....Adidas is fine....But yeah...changing back to Nike will bring together the in fighting..Not wins or anything like that...
That will REALLY unite the fanbase...How about playing some defense? Adidas horns? Really? Who gives a crap about who makes our uniforms?
I do! Thats why I post on message boards instead of doing things in real life though.
I really like the Adidas stuff. Unlike Nike's fake history (pro-combat), they've worked really hard to integrate our history into the uniforms. I'm not a fan of the away unis either, but they're an upgrade from the stupid yellow piping from the last set of Nike away jerserys. Plus, our home jerseys don't have the blue diaper look.
I was never a huge fan of the Nike apparel and have been really happy with the stuff Adidas has done.
you don't get it.
people want something to bitch about. now that all talking points over the CC have been covered, people are looking for something new. well, it seems that is one place they've settled.
i mean, it'd be great to throw away the guaranteed best athletic contract (outside of the Oregon-Nike marriage, something which we'll never get) to go back to a product which wasn't all that different, except for the corporate branding. our contract with adidas promises us that we'll always be the highest paid adidas school. but seriously, who needs that money anyways. and who cares that we have dedicated reps from adidas on campus at all times ready to do the bidding of our athletic department.
Big10 wide in the same vien as the BTN. I'd also love to see it operated out factories in the Rust Belt as opposed to some SE Asian sweatshop but I doubt that will ever happen.
now that is a great idea...
which, unfortunately, is exactly why it won't happen (unless an entrepreneurial someone with plenty of dough gets something like that up and running... )
also makes me wonder where Dhani's bow-ties are made?
that is Sunday morning Michigan Replay.