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rundown of Michigan's riser
I know posting this from another site is a big no no but i find this very interesting
December 31st, 2010 at 7:33 PM
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I know posting this from another site is a big no no but i find this very interesting
December 31st, 2010 at 7:36 PM | 
Hey butt pimple, fix your
Hey butt pimple, fix your
December 31st, 2010 at 7:43 PM |
Is that
Is that
a Gary Busey quotation?
December 31st, 2010 at 7:36 PM |
Broken Link, buddy.
Broken Link, buddy.
Broken Link, buddy.
December 31st, 2010 at 7:37 PM |
your link works worse than
your link works worse than
your link works worse than running v. smith out of I-form on 3rd and short.
December 31st, 2010 at 7:39 PM |
I'm sure he meant this, even
I'm sure he meant this, even
I'm sure he meant this, even though I don't know why I'm helping this shit: http://westvirginia.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=33&tid=140588760&mid=140588760&sid=891&style=2
December 31st, 2010 at 7:46 PM |
Can't speak to the veracity
Can't speak to the veracity
Can't speak to the veracity of any of it, but...
5. Casteel tells RR "NO" the week of the Ohio State game. RR cannot find a proven DC to come for what may amount to only one year. RR asks their AD for an extension of HIS contract so the new DC will have a guaranteed 2 years to fix things. He doesn't get it. In effect this seals his fate hence the breakdown at UM's senior night.
His contract is for 6 years. There was no need to extend it, at that point.
December 31st, 2010 at 7:49 PM |
Beat me to that, ah well.
Beat me to that, ah well.
Beat me to that, ah well.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:02 PM |
if the WVU blog story is somewhat true
if the WVU blog story is somewhat true
I would guess that RR was really asking for a 'vote of confidence' with the addition of years. both of you are correct, he has 3 more years on the current contract, but it becomes much easier to let RR go in the subsequent years -- i.e. cheaper. DB basically said the same thing you guys said, you have a contract for 3 more years, no need to extend today.
This is only my interpretation of this section.
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December 31st, 2010 at 7:55 PM |
How would anyone from WVU know?
How would anyone from WVU know?
It wasn't exactly an amicable breakup. I doubt he or anyone close to him is sharing details with WVU folks of goings on at Michigan.
"The Ruhr will not be subjected to a single bomb. If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Hermann Göring: you can call me Urban Meyer!"
December 31st, 2010 at 8:09 PM |
but it seems that
but it seems that
RR and Casteel are still on speaking terms. Besides RR probably was asking Casteel for his availability in any event regardless of the situation in Morganstown. RR knows most of the coaching staff ther anyway.
Born in Oklahoma
Raised in Ohio
Escaped to Meechigan
December 31st, 2010 at 8:16 PM |
Still lots of folks going
Still lots of folks going
Still lots of folks going back and forth between both communities. RR brought a ton of folks with him. And if WVU equipment staff people were calling RR up to offer up extra cowbells after the bowl announcement, it seems likely there's still a great deal of communication/gossip between camps at both schools.
January 1st, 2011 at 12:38 AM |
Really
Really
there's no point in trying to think about that story rationally, it's so perfectly scripted, it's ridiculous to the point that no one would (or should I guess) believe it. It's like Crash.
So cue the Academy Award for best screenplay I guess.
December 31st, 2010 at 7:59 PM |
That is true, but it was
That is true, but it was
That is true, but it was publicly known that Rich was year- to-year. Rich needed some sort of public and private assurance he was off the year-to-year cycle. (Such as an extension) Which he still hasn't gotten.
I commented the other day that right now "one more year" was doing Rich no favors because a top notch defensive coordinator wouldn't come work for a lame duck coach. If this Casteel story is true, a rarity occurred and I was right.
The fact of the matter is that if you go the Rich Rodriguez route, you have to go full blast all chips on the table. Same as any other coach. Sounds like the school wasn't willing to do that at a certain point. That isn't passing blame. It is an observation.
"because character wins in life and character wins on the football field....." 1-11-11
December 31st, 2010 at 7:48 PM |
Whoop-di-doo
Whoop-di-doo
This is concerning Jeff Casteel, DC for WVU and RR apparently trying to get him ... it's pretty sketchy, but these are the pertinent parts for a Michigan fan, I guess.
1. UM told Rich Rod in early November he has to get a top DC in order to stay. He told them he had tried but did not have the funds to bring in somebody proven. They cleared up to $1M, with none other than Casteel in mind.
2. Casteel was so frustrated with Mullen's offense and BS that he told Luck something had to change or he was going somewhere else. He did not want to be a head coach but just wanted to run his defense the way he wanted without the offense keeping him in hole. Casteel was angry Bill Stewart blamed the UConn loss on the defense giving up two first downs at the end of the game and letting them "out of the hole" even though they held UConn to almost nothing. Luck told him he was already thinking about making a change this season. Luck and everyone else in Morgantown knows Casteel has been the glue holding everything together for the last two years.
3. Luck finds out that other schools (+RRod) are going to come after Casteel the week after UConn game. (Timing is everything). Luck tells Casteel he will make changes and guarantees if Casteel stays, he will have as much control over the defense a DC can have. He will find a head coach that understands this and promises to be cooperative with Casteel. Casteel tells the defensive coaches he is staying no matter what and help is on the way.
4. Next week Ollie informs BS and tells him to tell offensive coaches.
5. Casteel tells RR "NO" the week of the Ohio State game. RR cannot find a proven DC to come for what may amount to only one year. RR asks their AD for an extension of HIS contract so the new DC will have a guaranteed 2 years to fix things. He doesn't get it. In effect this seals his fate hence the breakdown at UM's senior night.
January 1st, 2011 at 1:25 AM |
So preposterous
So preposterous
I really wouldn't think it's necessary to explain how preposterous this story is, but:
Here are the following conversations that this source would have to be party to:
-confidential conversations between the WVU AD and Casteel on separate occasions about his unhappiness, his potential job options, his authority under a new coach, etc.
-confidential conversations between the WVU AD and the various foot ball staff about Casteel's job status, outside offers, comfort level with a new coaching staff, etc.
-confidential conversations between Michigan's AD and RR on separate occasionas about his DC needs, his DC budget, his contract extension, etc.
-confidential conversations between Casteel and RR about an offer, length of his stay, results of those conversations
Here is the list of people who would possibly know what was said in all those talks:
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December 31st, 2010 at 7:50 PM |
either that guys got a great
either that guys got a great
either that guys got a great imagination or theres some truth to it..
December 31st, 2010 at 7:53 PM |
West Virginia people come up
West Virginia people come up
West Virginia people come up with some pretty elaborate BS stories.
December 31st, 2010 at 7:54 PM |
For example
For example
Momma and daddy got divorced so she ain't my sister any more.
It is spelled HOKEAMANIA. Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!
December 31st, 2010 at 8:07 PM |
I believe the proper usage is
I believe the proper usage is
I believe the proper usage is "no more."
I hope to be like dang for large sections of the season.
You come at the king, you best not miss.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:11 PM |
you are correct sir
you are correct sir
you are correct sir
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December 31st, 2010 at 7:56 PM |
Thus is the product of incest
Thus is the product of incest
Thus is the product of incest and mountain dew.
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December 31st, 2010 at 7:53 PM |
If this is true: What a
If this is true: What a
If this is true: What a Cluster F.
It's no wonder RR decided to take another coaching job.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:05 PM |
Are you speaking of RR coming
Are you speaking of RR coming
Are you speaking of RR coming to Michigan, or have you bought into the RR to Maryland/Miami/South Central Louisiana State bullshit?
I know from experience dude. If you know what I mean.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:40 PM |
He must be talking about RR
He must be talking about RR
He must be talking about RR leaving WVU.
December 31st, 2010 at 7:55 PM |
And everyone bawls their eyes
And everyone bawls their eyes
And everyone bawls their eyes out at our situation!! GOOD GOD!! Everyone that is bitching, whining about RR & JH CC just better count their lucky stars that we are NOT WVU!!
If you ain't strat you ain't shit!! C-5s RULE!!
December 31st, 2010 at 7:58 PM |
hmmmmm
hmmmmm
I figure there are 3 possibilities to whom this guys insider is..David Brandon, Rich Rod or Jesus Christ..Its almost too much info.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:08 PM |
The issue of a new DC tenure is a valid one
The issue of a new DC tenure is a valid one
Any good DC would want more job security than one year (assuming RR gets canned after next season). The post if anything points out the problem of allowing RR to stay for another year. Unless Brandon is willing to fully commit to RR and staff including a new DC there is no way in hell RR can bring someone aboard to "fix" the defense in one year.
By the same token, Brandon cannot commit to RR based on his body of work to date. The only logical answer is clean house and start over with a proven leader and winner. That person will be able to develop the talent already recruited and recruit better talent.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:04 PM |
There's about 2 dozen good DCs
There's about 2 dozen good DCs
who would come here for $1M, even if it only was 1 year. That would be one of the top 2 or 3 highest paid DC positions in the country. I smell bullshit.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:25 PM |
That is alot of money for a
That is alot of money for a
That is alot of money for a coordinator. But if you were a DC would you come here for a year with no control over the staff and maybe forced in running the 335.
Also if this story is right, then the rumor of Casteel looking around is dead wrong. I don't know what to believe, but it's getting close to game time.
Edit : Thinking about it again. Make $1 mil vs (what is the avg salary of a DC, guess 400K), you can sit a year and get something else. I guess I would take the money.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:46 PM |
Yep. A mil is a lot of
Yep. A mil is a lot of
Yep. A mil is a lot of scratch for a coordinator, even these days. I think any coach understands he can blow his whole gig in one year anyway if his unit doesn't perform, there's no where for this D to go but up, and a good DC might look at the other side of the ball and say, Yeah, I can work with that.
To me, the dealbreaker would likely be an offense-oriented HC dictating the scheme.
December 31st, 2010 at 9:11 PM |
That may be true if they
That may be true if they
That may be true if they bring in a DC to babysit the existing staff. But a top-notch hire would want to clean house and bring in his own guys. Most assistant coaches are unlikely to jump ship with only a 1 year guarantee.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:06 PM |
I've seen less speculation on
I've seen less speculation on
I've seen less speculation on UFO sighting websites.
Casteel may well leave at the end of the year, but if the WVU coaches could figure out that Bill Stewart and his offense were in trouble by, you know, watching the game film, whether or not Casteel know they were gone is pretty low on their list of problems.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:29 PM |
(No subject)
(No subject)
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
December 31st, 2010 at 8:14 PM |
I wish RR would have
I wish RR would have
I wish RR would have gotten a top DC during his first season! Oh well, just waiting for the Gator Bowl!
expect the best
December 31st, 2010 at 8:14 PM |
three observations:
three observations:
1) RR's fate may end up hanging on a lot of tendrils the sports-writing world will never make clear to fans.
2) these coaches are a pissy little bunch--or (more simply) a bunch of primadonnas
3) wish we could get Casteel.
A damned fascinating read.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:14 PM |
I'm wondering
I'm wondering
if RR's fate was sealed when Casteel said no the first time in late 2007.
I also wonder what the last 3 seasons would have been like with someone who actually knows how to run the 3-3-5.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:49 PM |
Or what if RR and the
Or what if RR and the
Or what if RR and the defensive position coaches had allowed the DC to run his own defense?
December 31st, 2010 at 9:20 PM |
Good point
Good point
I think the tail did a lot of wagging of the dog here.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:18 PM |
I don't know what to think about this
I don't know what to think about this
I guess it is possible if he had a connection with Casteel he could know all of this.
I would be happy if it were true Brandon authorized 1 mill for a DC. We really have been behind the curve as far as pay scale for our coaches.
How can you kill that which has no life
December 31st, 2010 at 8:20 PM |
I smell Bullshit also...here
I smell Bullshit also...here
I smell Bullshit also...here is a list of the top paid Assistant coaches...no one is at 1 million. The auburn assistant just got an extension for $1.3 to stay. Who wouldnt want to make a quick million for a year?
Also If I was in the situation I would be confident as hell to succeed and bring on the challenge. Prove everyone wrong...UM D will be back!
- Will Muschamp, Texas defensive coordinator — $907,000
- Kirby Smart, Alabama defensive coordinator — $762,350
- Todd Grantham, Georgia defensive coordinator — $760,600
- Ellis Johnson, South Carolina defensive coordinator — $706,650
- John Chavis, LSU defensive coordinator — $700,000
- Kevin Steele, Clemson defensive coordinator — $681,000
- Nick Holt, Washington defensive coordinator — $650,004
- Norm Chow, UCLA offensive coordinator — $640,000
- Justin Wilcox, Tennessee defensive coordinator — $600,000
- Gus Malzahn, Auburn offensive coordinator — $500,000
- Tyrone Nix, Ole Miss defensive coordinator — $500,000
Life's a game of Inches
December 31st, 2010 at 8:51 PM |
Dude that list is garbage
Dude that list is garbage
Things change fast
Gus Malzahn is going to make 1.3m next year
whoever is going to replace Will Muschamp will make 1m at least
Over half of the defensive coordinators in the SEC make more then 500k per year
And the idea was to pay 1mill to a top proven DC..not just anybody. The top proven DC's are already making close to 1m ayway when you count bonuses for bowls and such.. who are all these top DC's that will jump at 1 mill for 1 year, especially considering what they would be working with here.
I am not saying that the WVU article is true. I'm just saying 1m for a DC is not some sick amount of money that would allow us to get anyone..even if it was only for 1 year
On a positive note, at least our coaching decsion is not being decided based upon wether we can raise 2 million dollars.
How can you kill that which has no life
December 31st, 2010 at 8:54 PM |
Gus Malzahn is going to make
Gus Malzahn is going to make
Gus Malzahn is going to make 1.3m next year
Isnt that what i posted? Ya and he will be working with a ton of returning starters...thats counting Woolfork. and a top 10 offense. If i was Castell i would be confident in myself to bringing a championship defense to AA...Then what is there to worry about? What kind of situation is that? a great one! GO BLUE!
Life's a game of Inches
December 31st, 2010 at 9:25 PM |
Woolfolk. It's Woolfolk.
Woolfolk. It's Woolfolk.
Woolfolk. It's Woolfolk.
December 31st, 2010 at 10:59 PM |
His injury was so bad it bent the L
His injury was so bad it bent the L
.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:26 PM |
...and we thought our
...and we thought our
...and we thought our situation was screwed up.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:28 PM |
could be true
could be true
Look, this could be wild speculation or only partly true. But, if this is, like, actually true, than our program really is not in a good place right now.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:30 PM |
3 DC's in 4 years
3 DC's in 4 years
3 DC's in 4 years, has any head coach ever done this before, and if so has it lead to success?
December 31st, 2010 at 8:51 PM |
Jim Harbaugh has had 3 or 4
Jim Harbaugh has had 3 or 4
Jim Harbaugh has had 3 or 4 in his tenure at Stanford.
December 31st, 2010 at 9:57 PM |
He's had 3. He had to make
He's had 3. He had to make
He's had 3. He had to make his first change BECAUSE of Rich Rod.
December 31st, 2010 at 8:40 PM |
Posting stuff from Rivals or
Posting stuff from Rivals or
Posting stuff from Rivals or Scout isn't a no no.
Galileo was also chastised.
Hey butt pimple, fix your link.
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