I hope we never come to this (FSU cheating report release)
Whether we're recovering from 3-9 or trying to stay 12-0, I hope we never see these days... This one quote alone is enough,
"-- Former academic adviser Brenda Monk, who resigned after being implicated, said one athlete she was accused of helping cheat had an IQ of 60 and couldn't read the test questions."
From ESPN article on the FIA release of the FSU cheating scandal a year or two ago:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4559377
October 14th, 2009 at 7:39 PM ^
"Florida State president T.K. Wetherell told the committee the university was "embarrassed," but pointed out the school reported the violations itself and has cooperated with the NCAA. He also argued no coaches, boosters or donors were involved
but blamed academics who failed to follow university policy.
"
WHAT!?
October 14th, 2009 at 7:50 PM ^
Sleazy academics sullying the integrity of the game yet again. I can see where FSU's problems begin.
October 14th, 2009 at 9:19 PM ^
Yes. From everything I have read about Wetherell, he is an absolute freakin' disaster. Basically this article come to life:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/52822
October 14th, 2009 at 7:43 PM ^
and a guy with a 60 IQ on the same team? Really?
October 14th, 2009 at 8:06 PM ^
Diversity
October 15th, 2009 at 7:42 AM ^
Da longer you go there, Di verse it gets.
October 15th, 2009 at 11:19 AM ^
that is really really funny
October 14th, 2009 at 8:10 PM ^
It seems it would be equally likely to get a smart guy on your football team as a dumb one if you're looking for people who play ball well.
Unless Florida State is like, "Find all the guys who run 4.4 forties, and then find out which ones are nimrods and only send letters to them."
October 14th, 2009 at 8:31 PM ^
Not especially. Achieving that level of success in athletic or academics requires a large time commitment. Many people can focus on one or the other and do well, but very few people are talented and committed enough to achieve excellence in both.
It's more along the lines of Florida State sends letters to all the people that run 4.4 40's, and only the nimrods are willing to go to school there.
October 14th, 2009 at 9:40 PM ^
Intelligence and academic success are not the same.
October 14th, 2009 at 11:42 PM ^
That's super, but I don't see how it's relevant. You're going to be smarter if you spend more time developing your intellect, just like you're going to be more athletic if you spend more time training.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:30 AM ^
I have always considered smart and intellegent two different things.
My father always said I was very intellegent and had all the ability I needed to get perfect grades and be brilliant in school, but he said I wasn't smart because I was letting that ability go to waste. To him (and me as well now) intellegence is kind of a potential while smarts is how a person utilizes that potential.
It isn't websters version, but just my take on smarts and intellegence.
October 14th, 2009 at 8:34 PM ^
Does anybody else feel really bad for guys who, rather than being lazy, are just completely incapable of succeeding in a college academic setting, yet are forced to go through it if they want to play the sport they excel at? If you have a 60 IQ, you have almost no chance at success in any field (probably even athletics) so it sucks to see these guys get cast aside just because their physical ability relates to a sport that you basically have to play in college to pursue (as oppposed to baseball, b-ball to some extent, hockey, and any individual sport). Not sure there is a solution but these stories always sadden me.
October 14th, 2009 at 8:42 PM ^
after reading this story, i felt bad for the kid. i can understand some people's vitriol toward a university willing to greatly compromise it's standards, but if this kid can't make it in football, he will probably be living (and most likely raising a family) under the poverty level for a good portion of his life.
October 14th, 2009 at 11:24 PM ^
his whole life absent winning the lotto. Such a person would surely be deemed mentally disabled and receive significant public assistance.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:44 AM ^
There are a variety of semi-pro teams at all levels around the country that pros regularly scout for talent.
October 14th, 2009 at 9:29 PM ^
Can a person with an IQ of 60 really grasp a college football playbook? (An IQ below 70 is considered mentally retarded.) I wonder if this adviser is telling the truth or just trying to cover her butt.
October 14th, 2009 at 9:52 PM ^
Thanks jm. Someone with an IQ of 60 would most likely be unable to function in daily life. They would most likely not have gotten TO let alone THROUGH highschool or tested high enough on entrance exams to be cleared by the NCAA. I would imagine this is a situation of someone not really knowing what IQ is. IQ of 60 would put this person well out into the third deviation and would mean that greater than 99/100 people are smarter than he is. Not likely he would have made it.
October 14th, 2009 at 9:58 PM ^
It would be very difficult to pick up the entire playbook, but there are positions where that isn't really necessary. Every year at the NFL combine you will see a handful of frighteningly low intelligence tests (can't remember what it is called due to brain cramp) and they almost always come from DT's and CB's. A guy with the physical tools can some times have success at those positions without necessarily knowing what is going on around him.
EDIT: This info basically just relates to someone who is really unintelligent. Not sure if a 60 IQ is just so low that even functioning in society is impossible as the poster above suggests.
October 14th, 2009 at 10:21 PM ^
I think the test at the NFL combine is called the Wonderlick or something like that. I seem to remember that O-linemen on average score the best on the thing, and QBs have both very high (I think a QB from Harvard ended up with a perfect score) and low (Vince Young had a 7 out of 40, or something like that).
I also seem to remember seeing some of the questions (or similar) on the web after the combine earlier this year - I don't know how much of it is intelligence versus common sense/logical thinking.
October 14th, 2009 at 11:22 PM ^
"Kill Bubba....Kill!"
October 14th, 2009 at 9:43 PM ^
I guess I would tend to think that Bowden would have enough experience in the wonerful world of football to be able to pick out a dip shit when he gets to know one but I guess not. Maybe at the ripe old age of 153 or whatever he is he is slipping. I saw an interview with him earlier this week where he said that he wants to leave with his team on the top, so appearanlty that is not happening soon.
EDIT: just thinking about something here. With that little actual intelligence required to get in to FSU I wonder why Tyrell Pryor did not go there. maybe he wasn't smart enough to figure that out though.
October 14th, 2009 at 9:51 PM ^
I still can't believe Myron Rolle ever went there.
October 14th, 2009 at 10:21 PM ^
Myron Rolle the current Oxford student? Myron Rolle the future first round draft pick? Is he worse off for having gone there? We need to stop feeling so butthurt that he didn't come here and recognize that he's exactly where he wanted to be.
October 14th, 2009 at 10:40 PM ^
I recall the last time this subject was broached turned into an epic disaster for one poster.
It is not hard to conclude that college is what you make of it. Rolle ultimately made the right choice.
October 14th, 2009 at 11:03 PM ^
be honest. Whether you're a Michigan homer or not, it's a pretty fair statement to say you're completely in bewilderment as to why (having Rolle's obvious football skills and intellectual acumen) a given person wouldn't choose a place that would have made both goals more easily persuable. Perhaps knowing you're the big fish in a small pond on the academic side?
I agree, he made what he wanted out of it. Good for him.
October 14th, 2009 at 11:39 PM ^
He is the type of kid that would have been a success anywhere. I'm sure he could have been tested a little more academically at UM (with all due respect to FSU as an institution), but it isn't like playing for the 'Noles is the equivalent of playing intramurals (insert Dan Hawkins quote). Also, seems like he's accomplished quite a bit in the academic arena considering he earned a Rhodes Scholarship.
That being said, I so still wish we could have signed him.
October 14th, 2009 at 11:24 PM ^
It's sad, but it reminds me of Forrest Gump. He had an IQ
of 78 and played for Alabama.
October 14th, 2009 at 11:27 PM ^
but if he ended up 3rd or 4th string, Saban would have walked up, handed him a bag of crack, said goodbye, and held the door on his way out for the nice policemen coming in.
October 14th, 2009 at 11:32 PM ^
I don't know why, but that made me laugh out loud for an extended period of time. Maybe I don't need to finish the bottle of wine before dinner?
Run Forrest, run!
October 15th, 2009 at 9:17 AM ^
How does this chick know this guy's IQ? Unless this has been documented, I'm calling bullshit.