Watching the halftime segment of the Texas-Texas A&M got me thinking about our own little brother. So I wanted to know how would everyone feel if we stopped playing State.
How you would feel if Michigan and Michigan St stopped playing?
Maybe play a home and home with Eastern instead?
Would there biggest rival become Indiana, I think if we canned this game ol sparty would sink even lower into obscurity
upset, but at least denard's neck wouldn't be strained.
It would suck, at least in my opinion. That rivalry with Wayne State just doesn't hold the same emiotional value for me.
I wouldn't care. Beat Ohio.
Not at all. They pretty much annoy the shit out of me at this point. It's like picking a fight with someone smaller than you. Win and you were supposed to anyway, lose and you will never hear the end of it.
Except MSU isn't smaller than Michigan anymore. They grew up. Pretty much the same size now. Let's live in the present, not the past
I think you need a cold shower. Funny how Sparty fans don't want to "live in the past" when they are 32-67-5 all time against Michigan. Your comments prove that Sparty will never "grow up." They will always be little brother, always have a massive inferiority complex, and will always get more mileage out of any victory over Michigan than most teams get out of a National Championship.
M dominates them in acedemics. Each of our colleges are in the top 10. Every graduate program is in the top 5. Moo U isnt even close.
They have to resort to giving away tickets to their home games when they only hold 80,000. We hold 30,000 more and we have to fight to get one of those.
There is only one recruit that chose Moo U over M only because he didnt have the grades.
USN&WR reported that over 50% of the Moo U students applied to M and were rejected. So it confirms the old addage "If you cant get into college, go to state".
We hold a 2 to 1 lead in football wins lifetime. Our basketball team is back and we smoke them in Hockey.
In the entire history of the NCAA there is only one school that won NC in all 4 major men's sports. Can you name that school? HINT: Its not Moo U.
The data is clear. The debate is over. Moo U is not and will never be anything like M. It is not arrogance, its the facts.
Do you have a link for that 50% rejected stat? I'd love to be able to use that one.
I think you got neg'd b/c someone thought you were either being sarcastic or talking bad about UM. You know, I really like this board (and yes I am a UM fan), but the homerism is starting to get a little too much lately.
... except they do make some good ice cream up in E. Lansing. And that 'Sheep Research and Training' institute is AWESOME!
If it was because they up and left to get killed in the SEC, I'd be fine with it.
It should make you happy Michigan plays in the Big 10. Things are going really well here.
Happened, that would mean that college football would be falling apart.
There's no upside in that "rivalry" for us. We win, it's expected, we lose, it's the end of the world. I could do without it.
As long as we won the last meeting I would be fine with it.
This would infuriate Sparty way more than us. I would be a little bit sad that the rivalry went away, but would much rather stop playing MSU than ohio.
Seeing as how they have beaten us 4 straight, I doubt they would mind not playing us anymore. We are the ones that need to play them now that this program is on the right path.
You would think that, but MSU has such a big inferiority complex that that's not even enough. Who's the program that still gets all the national attention? Who's the better school? Who has at least one better rival to play (two if you put ND ahead of them)?
It sure as hell isn't State.
I do want us to beat the snot out of them next year though.
"You would think that, but MSU has such a big inferiority complex that that's not even enough."
so you disagree?
"I do want us to beat the snot out of them next year though."
so you agree?
If we're going to play them, we should beat them.
not sure if that was a response to something I said or just a statement, but I agree...
It was. They're in our schedule for the conceivable future. We should beat them in those matchups. Ideally though, I'm not really sure where they fit in. I expect to beat them in football every year, and it sucks when we don't. I can't really say I expect to beat Ohio every year but they are a much better rival.
I don't think MSU would ever not want to be able to play Michigan just to have the chance to act obscene after a victory.
so you're telling me that they would not love to say that they ended the series with them winning 4 straight? you need to seriously wake up.
Think of them as reacting to this situation the same way we would be if ohio were taken off the schedule. When Michigan kicked their asses in the 90's, would anyone want to have taken them off the schedule since Michigan was so dominat? How about now? No one in ohio wants to take Michigan off the schedule even though they have won the past 7 (well technically 6 due to forfeit).
I am not denying that it would be great for a team to end a rivalry winning the last four. Hell, coaches do that kind of thing all the time. You just never want your biggest rivalry to ever end, regardless of how lopsided it has been in recent years.
your comparison of OSU and MSU seems to me like you view them as equal... UM - OSU is a true rivaly, UM - MSU is a rivaly b/c we share the same state and they think they can consistently compete with us (with the exception of the last few years). MSU knows their run is over (as their success depended on our recruiting failure). OSU on the other hand has always had talent, and will continue to have talent. So if it was actually possible for MSU to break off the matchup, this would be their perfect time to do it.
Here is a better example, think Texas and Texas A&M, I'll let you decide who is who...
Now that I think about it, what would probably be best is to beat State about ten years in a row by gawdy point totals...I'm talking Fielding Yost levels here...and destroy their will to even have a Big Ten football team. How awesome would it be to have the dump that is Spartan Stadium razed to the ground.
Indifferent. Ohio and ND are more interesting opponents.
The game really has no significance except to them.
Now, if you're talking about other sports. BBall and hockey? That's a different question.
Yeah pretty much would ruin their season but be unnoticed by national media. People outside of Michigan call the University of Michigan, Michigan and Michigan State, and don't even know there is a team that wears green. They do not exist outside of the B1G.
This is true. Nobody who does not live in Michigan would care.
I am not from Michigan. I knew almost nothing about Michigan State until I attended school at Michigan. When I told people back home where I went to school, they would think that Michigan and Michigan State were the same thing . . . "That's that school with the big stadium and the cool helmets, right?" I would just smile and say "Right" to save time.
If MSU left for another conference and we did not play them anymore, I would not care. As long as that slot in the schedule was filled by another B1G team.
They are just another school. It's only within Michigan that they mean anything, and that is just because of proximity and the annoyance factor.
That's life, kids. You are where you are in the food chain. Would Duke care if they never played Michigan again in hoops? Not really. Is what it is.
why do people act like the rivalry with state isn't a big deal? it's not as big as the rivalry with ohio but it's pretty damn big. if it's not that big of a deal ive sure seen a lot of rage over something that doesn't matter that much the last 4 years. it's the 2nd most important game all year in my eyes and i felt that way even when michigan won 6 seasons in a row. you always want to beat those guys and it fucking stings like hell when michigan loses. personally id be pretty mad if we stopped playing them.
It isn't that the rivalry isn't a big deal, it is just that it isn't the biggest deal. Of course you want to beat an in-state school and typically compete with them, but in comparison with ohio, elminating MSU from the schedule would be a far less unfavored move than removing ohio.
It's only an in-state thing. If you don't live in Michigan, the fallout from losing to MSU this year was no more or less than losing to Iowa.
Texas just has an AD who happens to be a huge douche. I feel like losing the MSU game would mean more to them than us. Not only is it the biggest game for them every season, but it is one of the few chances they get for National recognition each year. They don't get very many chances in primetime.
I cant post topics yet put I saw this free flowing idiocy from Drew Sharp tonight.
"Meyer won't have as much pressure at Ohio State, though the Buckeyes are the only program -- repeat, THE ONLY Midwestern-based football program -- remotely capable of regularly contending for national championships."
Basically Sharp is full SEC rox and B1G can't run with the big boys.
yeah ohio state is a real low pressure gig. /s drew sharp trolling as usual.
I got home tonight after totally pigging, sat on the Drew and took a giant Sharp.
Every single Ohio State coach since World War II has been fired. Every single one.
No pressure there.
...doesn't seem that unusual. Most coaching positions end in a termination... it's the circumstances in the Hayes and Tressel terminations that are remarkable.
Though Dantonio has done a good job raising the rivalry in importance by making them a quality program and Delaney has made it more important than OSU by putting them in our division without OSU.
In Basketball it'd be horrible. Michigan is one of the best basketball recruiting areas around and the basketball games are great.
Michigan State is 1B to OSU's 1A of our biggest rivals. There's no way around it. Yes, the OSU game annually is huge and our biggest of the year - can't stand their fans and love driving through Ohio rocking Michigan shit. But anyone who say's that we don't care about MSU, they only care about us etc. doesn't really know what they are talking about.
MSU is our rival. Bottom line. MSU is one of our biggest rivals. While we have owned them in Football historically and even in the not so distant past, this game is still big to the players and the program. Add to the fact that most of the Michigan based students and Alumni (which is a good portion of our base) live and work with MSU Alums, this game is huge and IS indeed a true rivalry.
I would care a great deal and no TRUE Michigan football fan would say otherwise. That game is huge.
I would care. I would care a lot. I would hate it if we stopped playing. Sorry, I can't join in the Michigan Arrogance thing here. It's fun to dismiss Sparty because it pisses them off, but still, you have to play that game. You have to.
I mean, do you really want the rivalry to be defined only by basketball?
if we play EMU, WMU or CMU. Why do I care if they play Moo U? I know they are in our division but if they went to the Big East, I would care little.
They are not our rival. Nuff said.
It's OK to have more than one rival. Right know State owns Michigan in football. It sucks balls losing to them 4 times in a row. It's a
Moot point, they'll always be on the schedule.
not call it "owning" us. They have won 4 games in a row. We still hold a 2:1 lead in wins overall. So until they win 10 in a row, it is meaningless in the big picture. Sure I want to beat them every game but I dont care about Moo U.
We are Moo U's only rivalry. ND might qualify but ask ND, they will say USC and M. Penn State is a trophy game for the "Land Grant Trophy" but a rivalry it is not. Moo U is lost without us. We are the Big Brother.
We still kill them in recruiting: football, hockey, baseball and basketball (McGeary). Our acedemics are superior (save D.V.M.). Moo U is known for being a "teacher's college" but we rate higher. So their best, most beloved program, is inferior to us. What does that say?
Its not homerism. Its the facts, plain and simple. They will always be inferior to us. I didnt make this $hit up.
I wouldn't care to be honest. That rivalry doesn't mean much to us, but everything to them. Beat Ohio.
meh, don't care at all. 2
No shit. If not now, when? This one is a must win.
Win the Big Ten>Beat Ohio>To hell with Notre Dame>Own Michigan.
All are important.
I want to continue playing them, but truthfully, I'd be more upset if OSU were moved to a different week than if MSU were removed altogether.
Doesn't Hoke have a count down clock for MSU? Hmmmmm, seems pretty important.
I really don't care about MSU at all. They are obnoxiuos whether they win or lose so it's not like the game matters to them at all. They would be just as obnoxious if we didn't play them. Ohio is by far our biggest rivalry and IMO the Irish are next (although I was born and have lived most of my life just outside of South Bend). In fact, I'm much more upset when we lose the Jug than I am when we lose that ugly lumberjack.
That said, we will always play them and so I hope we always destroy them. It makes them much easier to ignore.
but I don't. It doesn't bother me that basketball has only played them once in the past.
If anything it would be nice to not spend a week wondering why the hell our guys can never get up to play Michigan State and play with the same emotion.
but just can't get there. Regardless of the football played, it just feels like a bunch of punks are out there. I don't feel that during ohio or nd weeks. I wish it were different but I just don't have any respect for the sparty program. Hell, it could be that the Nebraska game becomes a better rivalry than sparty. I'd hate to see sparty fall off our schedule if I felt there were a true rivalry but it just isn't and as a result, I'm indifferent. Whatever.
I would certainly feel more secure that Ann Arbor would be subject to fewer acts of vandalism by ignorant fools.
and beat them every year...
you guys have to think beyond football.....
this situation would only come up if msu left the big ten to get out of our shadow (ala Texas A&m), so we would be losing them in all sports
yes, ohio is our biggest rival when it comes too football (nd might be second) and it isnt close
however, state is by far our biggest rival in EVERY other sport. What basketball game do I care most about? State.
What school inspired the "FYS" chants in hockey after they assulted a player on ice? State. IN fact, I care almost as much about killing state in hockey as I do beating ohio in football.
The thing I'm worried about is Michigan-ND ending when the 9 game B1G schedule comes. THAT rivalry means so much to me, at least. Just look at who the two schools are. All the great players, coaches, teams and games they've had. Dave Brandon said he cannot sacrifice a home game every other year when the 9-game schedule comes so the future looks bleak for Michigan-ND.