Who will finish up the 2013 class has been much discussed on the board, but how will we get the schollies for them? As of this second, there are 23 available for next year. There are currently 23 commits, and assuming they all stay committed (Conley really looks like he's going to stay) we could potentially need 4 more if we get McQuay, Treadwell, Green, and another Olineman. I think it's safe to say Lewan is going pro and Mike Jones won't be returning, but all of the other redshirt juniors had roles on this team. Would we stop at 25 and say no to one or potentially 2 five star players?
How will Michigan free up scholarships?
I know of one way. Conley said he decomitted today
This is news to me. Was this a twitter statement?
Uhhhh... wat?? Source please.
I am having trouble trying to embed tweet but yes, it was from twitter. Someone over on 247 made a reference to it a few minutes ago. I suppose it's just a matter of time before it's confirmed by reputable sources. I sure wish he would have remained a part of this class.
If you can't embed it, then just post the link. We all have the ability to click on it.
(Although the TomVH Tweet is ominous)
it didn't happen.
When did this happen?! Seemed like everything was fine last night and it was just a visit to see The Game and not a real visit. Has anyone asked him on Twitter or seen anything on his Facebook?
Attrition, Attrition, Attrition. It always happens.
I don't know if Cam Gordon is that much of a lock to receive a 5th year either.
Next question, would they need to free up those schollies by signing day? Or just by the time the new kids hit campus?
I can't hold your hand through life, you need to figure this out on your own. (what teachers say to students when they don't know the answer)
Technically (by NCAA) it's by the time they show up, but that's oversigning which is frowned upon/not allowed in the Big Ten. So... signing day
Why wouldn't Cam Gordon receive a fifth year? Who is our SAM if Jake Ryan gets hurt?
And don't you ever talk about Jake Ryan like that again!
I don't think Cam will get a fifth year. He just isn't that good and younger guys behind him are better.
What younger guys are better? And if they were better, why did the coaches play Cam instead of the younger, better guys?
Jake Ryan and Cam Gordon were the only two guys who ever took snaps at SAM this year. If Cam doesn't come back, you're left with one guy with any playing time at a position the coaches like to rotate a good amount. Not a great idea.
I agree I don't like the idea of burning McCrays redshirt if Ryan is injured. Killa cam is a very solid backup and he should absolutely be offered a 5th year.
Well if Cam doesn't come back then we have 1 Sam on the roster, so yeah. We have redundancy, and kids not playing elsewhere.
Does this take into account Ricardo Miller leaving the program (he said he is no longer playing football for Michigan-even though it hasn't been announced by the school-right?)
yes it has, I used Magnus's scolarship count from his blog
Looks like this problems solved with Conley decommiting. Now we just need to get all 4!
I know a while back lavenberry was interested in us but we had no room is he still an option?
No matter how much attrition we have, 25 is our max this year. We can't backdate any since we used all 25 last year. We currently have three spots and are looking at Treadwell, Green, McQuay, Reschke and an offensive lineman or maybe Conley if he decides to re-commit and there is still a spot. I think we take the first three of those available, unless Lewan goes pro, and then we can take 4.
To answer your question though, assuming we have no more decommitements and someo of these kids want to commit, we have a couple redshirts we could let go. No need to name them here.
FALSE. We hadthree EEs last year so we can backdate three from this class. We could go up to 28 if we had enough attrition.
Who all is EE in this class? Dymonte is the only one I know of.
If he picks us.
Leon mcquay III also would be one
I think Douglass is an EE.
Bosch, LTT, Ross Douglas, Dymonte, and I think there's one more. Either way, at least 3, which is all we need.
overall talent since a few guys would need "sufficient encouragement" to move on.
I spot 4-6 scollies with 1 WR, 2 LBs, 1 OL, 1 DL and 1 DB never to play even on special teams.
We had some 2012 early enrollees, who could have been backdated to 2011, when our class was not full, thus leaving us with a less-than-full class last year. This in turn would give us room to exceed 25 this year, or at least backdate any early enrollees to give us room for more than 25 next year.
Beaten by the above poster.
Any chance dawson is still in the mix? I see alot of spartan love for him. I know he played us like a fiddle but who knows
You have room for 3. This most likely will be an O-lineman, 1 RB (c'mon Ty!..or Derrick) and either of Treadwell/McQuay. I highly doubt that we will land more than 2 of those 4 (including Isaac as wishful thinking) and an O-lineman makes 25 even.
We could see some attrition that is unexpected (maybe not to the coaching staff) but we are already facing a fairly small class for '14 so they may hope to "bank" them for then.
If I had to take a wild guess at possible attrition - maybe Ringer at LB? The depth chart at LB is filled with youth and talent with more on the way. Perhaps this would explain the Reschke offer -- although it might have been done just out of respect and/or a favor to Shane.
You never bank them on purpose.
Grown men hanging onto these high school students' every word and out there "recruiting" for universities is disgusting.
Just a thought barely worthy of a post.
I should've clarified, I meant direct contact via Twitter. There's a difference between getting excited about recruits and talking to them over social networking sites.
Maybe I'm old, but that sounds super weird. And I'm not that old.
going against the wishes of the university that you not do so, and if you fall within the very broad definition of a booster (basically if you've donated money to the university or bought tickets from it) you've committed a recruiting violation that is chargeable to the school, which is responsible for the conduct of its boosters. And, of course, the school is in its 5 year repeat violator window for the practice time violations.
Other than that, there's nothing wrong with it.
2 threads up will give us a head start
This is a major problem in football recruiting. They really need to have an early signing period like they do in basketball. I feel like kids committ early so they hold a spot in the class. Then they continue to look around.
So what happens if a kid signs early with Auburn before the season started, then they witness the tire fire that was the Tigers season, subsequently followed by Chizik being fired.
Since he signed early he's obligated to stay committed even though he doesn't know who the new coach will be and how he'll fit into his plan. That seems terribly unfair to the recruit who signed early.
There is no easy solution to this problem, recruiting has and will become crazier and crazier every year.
Not a perfect solution, but non-binding letters of intent you can sign any time after your junior year would help. If an athlete signs a NOBLOI then only the school they're pledged to can contact them (and are no longer limited). But anytime until signing day you can rescind it. Shane Morris can benefit from full contact with his future coaches, and Gareon Conley can leave his options open so he can check out different schools and find the right one for him. It would also solve the problem of "saving a spot" with a verbal commitment, since if you sign a NOBLOI you can't receive other offers or take other visits.
are committed for many months before the early signing period begins.
10 currently open spots.
13 seniors graduating
1 likely junior to NFL
1 likely unrenewed 5th
Also not sure of injury situations, and further attrition is inevitable. Being over by 2 on signing day is fine; over by 13 is not.