Sticks and stones...
It's a ridiculously good job for anyone with a thick skin, but you'd better be able to win games.
Sticks and stones...
It's a ridiculously good job for anyone with a thick skin, but you'd better be able to win games.
This is oh so clear now.
It's about time this fan base got a taste of reality.
Do you remember 2008?
how about the horror, that was reality and nothing better has ever explained what a complete mess this program has been for some time than that 1 game.
It was a once in a lifetime event that will provide dong punches until my death and probably long after.
the OP quoted FANS from other schools. fans are usually biased and believe their schools is the shitty shit shit. so of course they're going to say that. BTW your coach doesn't have to already be the shitty shit shit- he just has to become the shitty shit shit. I think we're all forgetting that. remember the Holy One Glenn Schembechler?? remember Jimbob Tressel??? Remember Urban Meijer?? Remember Nick Satan??
i would hope the point isn't to necessarily appease everyone with a big name hire- but perhaps find the next BIG NAME.
hence, STOP FUCKING FREAKING OUT JUST BECAUSE WE DIDNT GET JIM HARBAUGH OR JOHN GRUDEN OR JESUS CHRIST OR DENZEL WASHINGTON.......IT DOESNT MEAN IT WONT WORK OUT
I'd also like to add that I think Les Miles is partially possessed and I view this a positive attribute.
I'd be in favor of Denzel coaching for us; it worked in Remember the Titans. Jesus would be a close second only because using miracles would probably be an NCAA violation. Great motivator and recruiter, so it might be worth it.
Alright, but you have to give the coach time to become that, which Brandon & fans have now shown themselves unwilling to do.
Nonsense! Any man made Michigan's head coach can automatically take showers in grain alcohol, rope and ride tornados and kill wolfmen with only a trident! And any Michigan Man's hair is legal tender in three south American countries (not any of the nice ones, though.)
Greg Schiano anyone?
Is this a gif of a young Andre from The League?
It's the Angry Video Game Nerd.
their opinions do not matter
So people are stupid is the moral of this post.
I know Chuck Norris. Want me to have your friends taken out?
Really? You know Chuck Norris? Is he interested in the HC job?
No, because Chuck Norris has known who our head coach is going to be since 1976.
Given that we've sucked the past three years, that's not surprising. If we do well the next three years, they'll probably say something else.
Not saying that these people are in any way right - just relaying some non-M fan perspectives
Nebraska has roid rage-
PSU has Uncle Bernie-
Wisky has Bielema-
Random fan with no allegiance- He wants to weigh in on coaching decisions? Pick a team, we're at war.
Now I am convinced that Pelini really is Voldemort.
that is only rage -- he needs no stinkin' roids to enhance his rage.
now back in the 80's, the Cornf@#$ers were the school with the biggest problem. it should not supprise anyone one that most of the offensive linemen dated and married girls who where getting pharm degrees...
Seriously, that's not roid rage. THIS is roid rage:
I remember when ESU started to go down the tubes. What a shame. They were a top program for years. Couldn't stop that Tim Wayman-led Michigan squad, though.
He-Man has Skeletor -
this is a tough rebuilding process, but this:
aside from 1 or 2 good seasons, you have been irrelevant since your split NC
is really dumb. This was a top ten program in the country for the decade 1997-2007
As someone who came to Michigan in 2000, things haven't been all that great that last decade plus. Since then we haven't won a major/BCS bowl game, beat OSU twice (beat them in Cooper's last season and have gone 1-9 since), and have suffered some embarassing out of conference setbacks. Michigan has basically won two big games (high stakes contests against high quality competition) in the last 11 years (OSU 2003 and ND 2006). Contrast those two wins with App. State, Oregon crushing, 3-9, early season losses to not-so-talented teams from UCLA, Washington, Oregon, and ND (multiple times) that mean we've been out of the national title picture after a month of the season has passed just about every year save 2006.
Then look at the success of programs like Oklahoma, Texas, Florida, USC, Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, etc. or even small schools like TCU, Boise, or WVU under Rodriguez, and it isn't hard to see why no one who isn't a Michigan fan would consider us an elite program right now.
Just think if RR could have coached the OOC games, Lloyd the B1G and Harbaugh the OSU game, we would have won at least 7 MNC in the last decade.
BOOOO stop writing things that make sense this is M GO BLOG
I can agree with this, but I think it's foolish for a fan of another school to act like the 2006 season never existed, only because it ended with losses to OSU and USC. In all fairness, we were a helmet-to-helmet-hit call away from playing in the NC game.
So your friends are all a bunch of stupid douche bags. Is there anything else to take from this post?
I like your attitude.
Who pissed on your parade dude? Take some reds, calm down, use a vaporizer for the right reasons, kill a kitten, and do what you gotta do. Everybody murders.
Of course fans of other teams are going to lobby for their teams or dismiss Michigan altogether. I don't take much stock in what the media thinks but on this point, a majority agrees Michigan is a top 5 job. If you step back and really think about it objectively as you can, this is a fact.
Also, what do agents think of us/DB? That could affect how their clients see us and how they deal with us. Is DB respected or do they think DB is in over his head?
The reality is, is that most people don't think its a great job to have anymore. I live in Arizona and work at a hotel and a lot of people from all over the country same the same thing, that the HC job at Michigan isn't what it used to be. Our fanbase and is cut down the middle. Then you have the alumni that wouldn't even back our HC coach because he wasn't a "Michigan Man." Even a "Michigan Man" didn't even wanna come coach here, why would anyone else. It sucks to hear the truth but that is the truth. I wish it was different, but right now it isn't.
What was the challenge for Tressel? He knew he was a consistent winner, tOSU was pretty well stocked when he got there, and he had excellent relations with high school coaches throughout the state. We may not have known about him when he was hired but everyone in Ohio did. In contrast, RR had only the first of these characteristics when he came to AA.
And I love how much they attack our prestige, because the only school that would be bigger news for firing a coach would be Penn State and that's not because of national interest in PSU but because its JoePa.
FWIW- My uncle is a die-hard OSU fan and he was saying that even as an Ohio State fan, he'd consider the Michigan job the second most desirable job (behind, you guessed it, OSU).
Sad but true.
"aside from 1 or 2 good seasons, you have been irrelevant since your split NC."
Just, wow. How easily 3 years wipes away everyone's memories. This is why losing sucks so hard.
Starting with 2005 this is where UM has finished in the polls:
'05 - unranked
'06 - 8, 9
'07 - 18, 19
'08 - unranked
'09 - unranked
'10 - unranked
Outside of '06 the last 6 years haven't been anything to write home about. '05 and '07 were ravaged by injuries but outsiders looking in probably don't realize that.
I operate under the assumption, largely validated, that other schools' fans are a bunch of Jabronis.
All top programs go through down cycles. Texas (the 80s and 90s). Alabama (Mike deBord?). ND? Florida (Ron Zook?). LSU pre Saban.
The key is not how many times you get knocked down, but how many times you get back up.
... but with more money (though less likely to spend it on coaches), a bigger stadium and about 15 years (and two failed coaches) behind them on our way to becoming Army (unless we get our heads out of our assess and hire and elite coaching staff immediately).
I think we are ND post 2004 right now. Things look pretty ugly from the outside but the job is set up for perhaps unexpected (by those who don't follow the program closely) but immediate success. The question is whether or not we hire Charlie Weis and give him a huge extension out of stupidity and desperation or do we hire the elite level candidate they whiffed on (Urban Meyer, in their case) who can parlay immediate improvement into sustained success.
I am a RR supporter, but we even started to come up with new excuses for every bad on the field performance just like ND did under Touchdown Charlie. The last three years have been hell and clearly have hurt the UM brand.
Still, I have to believe DB sees this and sees what three awful HC hires in a row has done to ND. If we want to remain a top 10 program, we need top 10 coaches. Period. Pay market and screw it whether or not they have a lineage to Bo.
The treatment of RR has devalued the HC job at Michigan in the eyes of not only fans and media from other markets, but in the eyes of coaches, too. Why would a coach from outside the Michigan "family" who has other options want to work for David Brandon? He would give up a good job to risk being sodomized by a certain faction of the fanbase and his employment status would be at the whim of an egotistical loose cannon.
The answer to this rhetorical question isn't all that painful, though; it will have to be a coach with supreme confidence in himself. Since that is what makes an effective leader anyway, it isn't bad that the devaluation of the job has eliminated those who are the least bit afraid to step into a situation like the one in Ann Arbor.
It's just that the pool is now a lot smaller.
At least mostly wrong. RR got fired because he had to be. He earned it. I don't think that many coaches would expect to be retained with results that he had (six losses, all by double digits). I don't think that many coaches will shy away from the Michigan HC job because of what happened to RR.
Reasons To Take The Michigan HC Job:
1. Michigan is now ready to spend money. The $5.2MM reportedly offered to Harbaugh would have put him near (if not at) the top.
2. Michigan's facilities are as good or better than most in D1 football. They just completed a $260MM renovation to the Big House.
3. 110,000 fans on football Saturdays. The seats have been filled even though the team has been bad (three home BT wins in three years). Only a handful of schools can approach that. Fans in the seats equates to money in the budget.
4. National recruiting. Even though the team is down, the allure hasn't really diminished based on high profile recruits from Ohio, Texas, Florida, California and North Carolina taking a close look at the school this year.
5. Regional recruiting. Michigan isn't exactly a "hot bed" of high school football talent but it's not bad either. I'd say it falls somewhere in the low to mid teens range. Ohio is still full of top notch high school talent and Michigan has good access to that pipeline.
6. Visibility. Every Michigan game is on TV. On top of that, Michigan gets at least one national network game every year (OSU). Two games when they play away at ND. This year they'll be featured at night in the Big House. Next year they'll be featured in Jerry Jones Stadium. Only a handful of teams can pull that off.
7. Big Ten. The Big Ten is a good, not great conference. All Michigan has to do is follow OSU's blueprint for success and the rest will fall in place. OSU has won six consecutive BT titles (rarely loses more than one conference game per year) and plays in BCS games every year. Michigan absolutely has the infrastructure in place to do that. It just needs a good coach (administrator) to steer the ship.
Michigan no longer fields a Top 10 team but it's still a Top 10 coaching position. It just offers way too many things that other schools (outside of Florida, Texas, OSU, Alabama, LSU, USC) cannot.
I'm pretty sure most coaches wouldn't guess they would be fired following year 3 returning 20 starters after losing 6 times, all to teams playing bowl games after January 1st and 5 of the 6 being ranked in the top 25.
And beat two teams that blew out AQ competition in their bowl games (ND and Illinois) along with beating the Big East Champions. And nearly sent their true sophomore QB to the Heisman ceremony. And inherited a terrible team that went 3-9 in year one after a messy transition.
I agree with most of that, with the exception of recruiting appeal. Our games are on TV no more than almost every other BCS school. And our national profile is middle of the road. To the average 17-18 year old high school senior, we have played 2 memorable games since they started playing football: OSU 06, and App St. Maybe you can count the Rose Bowls as well. That's not exactly going to make a kid hear The Victors in his sleep, unless he grew up in the state.
National profile is middle of the road?
Exhibit A) Pitt and UConn are looking for coaches, this might get mentioned once on Sports Center, the NYT, the LA Times, whatever.
Exhibit B) Michigan is looking for a coach, it's plastered all over every front page someone can find to relate to sports.
Michigan is one of about ten schools that have that high of a profile.
All of those also apply to Notre Dame, except for #3 and #7 which are the least important. Also, I don't agree that we should easily be able to replicate OSU's success. They will likely have first pick of most Ohio recruits at least as long as Tressel is there, whereas we will lose a good number of Michigan recruits to MSU.
Did you ask your Nebr friend what Solich's record was when he and his non-insane Husker fan base friends ran him out of town? (Hint: 58-19.)
Nebr was 9-3 the year Solich got canned.
Sure, everything is cyclical.
IIRC, the shine had come off USC before carrol, osu before tressel, 'bama before saban, Florida before Meyer, nebraska before pelini, paterno before recent paterno, etc. Every program has down times. We're in one. The difference between the elite programs and the rest is that they're not defined by their current coach, they have tradition and a fanbase that expects to win. Michigan still sells 100000+ tickets a game, is a top 25 academic school, has a ton of history, and has the potential to surge back to the top really fast.
Find the right guy and it comes back quick. Needs to probably be someone who energizes the fanbase. Brady hoke, probably not. But unless they get the right guy it's going to be the same 3 years from now.
In '99 and '00 maybe but Cooper had a pretty nice run from '93 - '98:
'93 - 11, 10 in the polls
'94 - 14, 9 in the polls
'95 - 6, 8 in the polls
'96 - 2, 2 in the polls
'97 - 12, 12 in the polls
'98 - 2, 2 in the polls
all of those loses to that school up north. before him, earl bruce did notlight it up that much either, although he did have a winning record against us, which is why he stayed a few extra years.
You should get better friends.
the job isn't desirable, but what is the likelyhood of success? The term "Michigan Man" has been spewed all over the media. Why would ANY non-Michigan Man want to coach Michigan? Because its a challenge? lol...thats a joke. All they see is a great school that can recruit nationally, but you better have success in 3 years or your done. The word progress is also different in AA from 3 to 5 to 7 wins isnt progress. You also will have local media against you every step you take, so don't talk with an accent or anything. On top of that you have this fanbase that will never be happy no matter what you do...National Championship or bust. I guess appy state and 3-9 havent made you all realize all the negatives to being the coach at UM.
#1 reason: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
#2 reason: on TV every single week
If Brandon says "Hey, we're going to pay you $5 mil a year and an everyone will be able to see and admire you..."
Guess what? The Michigan job instantly becomes a BETTER job than 98% of the programs in the country.
Tradition doesn't get it done anymore. Give a coach a bigger paycheck and a bigger national stage than anyone else and it becomes a de facto better job.
Money and being on TV are not exclusive to the Michigan job. Playing home games in front of 113,000 fans is unique though.
No, but the amount of money and the amount of national TV exposure does set Michigan apart from the overwhelming majority of schools. UM is and will always be a huge draw in terms of national exposure.
Frankly, the OP is irellevant because it in no way addresses the reality, which is that: a) rating suggest that UM is a huge draw on TV and b) that COACHES (not fans) view the UM job as an elite and unique opportunity. I apologize, but I could not care less about the opinion of fan x of program y about Michigan.
My ESS-EEE-SEE friends are jealous that I get to watch every UM game on TV in HD.
I'm curious how old your friends are -- a 21 year-old's perception may be very different from a 40 year-old's perception.
You're friends seem like assholes... At least my friends put it nicely that we're fucked.
I agree with your friends that the M job isn't nearly as desirable as most M fans think it is. We've gotten decent results for most of the last 10 years, but our recruiting base is not that great (we'll always be in a weaker position than OSU and even PSU) and our fan base is generally unreasonable. I wonder whether Brandon's M background has led him to overestimate the attractiveness of the job.
No program, whether elite or not, can just snap its fingers and get whatever coach it wants to come running. A top program has two options to get a coach quickly:
1. Hire a top coordinator. As Brian pointed out recently, this is what a lot of top level programs have done, including Florida, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, etc. No shame in doing it, and it often works out well. Michigan would have no trouble getting a coach in this category, but Dave Brandon says he wants someone who's already been a head coach.
2. Hire a head coach at a lower level program who wants to move up. See Florida with Urban Meyer, ND with Brian Kelly, anyone who has ever hired Bobby Petrino (at least until he flamed out in the NFL). These are coaches who take one job after another, moving up as far as they can until they get into what they view as a terminal position.
If you go outside those two categories, it's very difficult for any program to hire a coach. You can't just show up to Pat Fitzgerald's house with a dumptruck full of cash and expect him to take the job. He's happy at Northwestern and will probably die there. Same with Gary Patterson. Even more with Jon Gruden and Bo Pelini. It's a huge risk to go to just about any new program, no matter how elite or prestigious.
If you're happy where you are, you'll stay put. Just like Rich Rod did when Alabama came calling. The only way to get a coach like this is by luck, like when Michigan went after Rodriguez at the exact moment he was pissed off at the WVU AD.
Michigan had bad luck in losing its top candidate to the NFL. Since then, the search has been hamstrung by Brandon's insistence on hiring someone who's currently a current head coach and who would merit an extremely high starting salary. The inability to hire such a coach in four days doesn't mean that Michigan is turning into Purdue. We may be turning into Notre Dame, but let's try to suppress that thought, shall we?
i suppose it is called the "blue man group"...
I think there may be a third person out there with the same avatar. There aren't that many pictures out there of Tobias as a blue man, unfortunately.
Your friends are all rooting for our direct rivals so of course they have those kinds of opinions. What else would you expect them to say? "We know Michigan is the best job in the country and as soon as you hire your new coach you will qickly surpass us? Relax and take it for what it is.
Funny, because I think Neb, PSU and Wisconsin are fairly irrelevant except for a good year here and there. Also, what good coach would bolt for those places??? So its all in the eye of the beholder.
So have all the RR haters and psychos who still live 20 -30 years ago in the past of College football. I hate this crap