I'm curious as to how much everyone thinks Derrick Green will improve next season?
I thought he did great last year! He will go as far as our oline takes him!
This off-season is huge for him. I think he needs to shed about 10-20 lbs, and develop some more lower body strength. If he does those things, and our OL improves, then I see him as a 1,000 yard back.
He was down to 230 at the end of the season. I think his ideal weight is around 225.
Green being behind Hayes and Smith after all of bowl practice was not encouraging.
D. Smith only had 4 carries in that game. My impression was that Al Borges played smaller, faster backs and threw screens/ran reverses in order to compensate for the lackluster interior o-line play. Power running wasn't going to work even if we had Jim Brown at tailback. It wasn't a bad plan, and it is not an indicator of Green's play. Its worth noting that I have felt both Drake Johnson and D. Smith are underrated and I wouldn't be surprised if either wins the RB competition because they are that good (rather than Green being that bad).
Hopefully a lot. It all depends on if the O-line can improve much though, because even the best running backs will struggle if they don't have holes to run through. If the interior O-Line can improve a lot, and the tackles not be awful, he could have a very good season. Otherwise though...I'm not sure he can reach his potential. He would still probably improve, but not by a ton.
I am excited to see what a motivated Derrick Green can do next year.
My hope is that we have a base run play that all of our O-linemen and backs know well and can execute. I think Green will have easier time this year because the offense in general will be more coherent and will be better able to showcase his talents.
I'm no offensive guru but our O seemed disjointed and lacking any sort of cohesion or coherence the past 2 years. Kind of seemed like they were throwing shit against the wall and seeing what stuck. If it was a trick play, they'd do it a few more times till it blew up. If it was a "regular" play, like a screen, we'd never see it again. Weird shit, man.
I hate to be Debbie Downer here, but I'll believe it when I see it. Borges didn't run a hoge poge because he wanted to, he did it because the personel issues dictated it. He probably did a shitty job of adapting, sure, but on the other hand I don't think it's as easy as bringing in a new guy and having him install a new system that all of a sudden makes sense. Nuss will probably still have an OL that'll struggle to do basic things well, consistently. Magnuson being out for spring ball certainly doesn't help.
Statistics suggest 34.55%
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300 carries for 1,500 yards. Book it.
Except bigger, stronger, and faster. I'm thinking 2500 yds rushing, 40 TDs
I have a sudden urge for a beverage.
He has all the potential to be an Eddie Lacey clone if our oline and quarterback play are good enough to enable us to run the ball. You also have to factor in Smith's potential to keep the ground game going given the above two factors hold up their end of the bargain. We saw what they could do against ohio st. we need that effort twelve times this year.
Really this question is pointless unless Derrick Green himself creates an MGoBlog account and decides to answer this.
Be careful what you wish for, there's a high chance of that being an NCAA violation...
a large portion of the question/statements posted here are pointless in the grand scheme of things. We click, we read because we hope someone has some type of insider info and we love Michigan football.
Infinitely. He will never be tackled. TD's every touch.
Assuming he stays injury free and can make it through the entire offseason without serious injury I believe he could become a serious contributor in our run game coupled with smith and Johnson. Those three should push one another (I do not foresee Hayes doing much here but then again that's what I said about Rawls, V. Smith, and Hayes before) and between the presumed three gain no less then 1500. If we can't run the ball then Funk is a goner no matter how young our line is.
Probably somewhere between none to a lot. Think he'll end up with production between 10-300 carries, 30-1800 yards, and 0-25 TDs.
D. Green will probably compare to Barry Sanders, A. Peterson, and Jim Brown.
But shiftier, faster, and stronger.
Until he transcends his physical form when his skill becomes too great for mortal minds to comprehend. After this point, any person who tries to view any of his tape will suffer the most Lovecraftian of deaths, as their eyes burn out of their head and their mind melts at the pure awesomeness of his talent.
I think Derrick Green will have a good year, but I also think one other back will also get close to 1000 yards.
It appears he has no vision or the coaches are coralling him to run to the planned hole even though there is none. They need to teach him to view the line in its entirety and run to daylight where there is one. This takes patience on his part and a huge amount of coaching.
Tough to find a hole when there isn't one. You can't make any judgment on his vision, or really his play at all with the line play last year.
I hope the running game isn't dependent upon Green to carry the load.
I really Hope he does good.
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Is he competing for the quarterback job? +5 throw accuracy?
Read it again, from the start.
That's what my cat says when she's trying to eject a hairball.
The numbers come before the category. That +5 goes with kicking power. I heard he killed it on the FG drills. He's always had monster legs. With improved conditioning and a leaner core, his foot swing will be much more powerful and accurate. I expect him to be the emergency kicker ... similar to Suh kicking XP's in a pinch. It's a bit dangerous though, because Green is a toe-bash kicker. It puts his big toe at risk. Brady will have some tough decisions to make if it comes down to it.
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Depends on how big of a leap forward the OL makes.
still funny, you guys.
More than I will.
2014 Green/Smith/Hayes/Johnson > 2013 Fitz/Green/Smith
Offensive line will have to give him opportunities but I think Nussy (he's probably not a fan of that nickname) will greatly impact his improvement as well. There will be NO MOAR 30 for 30s coming out of AA.
I thought Green looked a lot better from the beginning of the year to the end, and I think the same thing about DeVeon Smith...which is why I think all the talk about firing Fred Jackson was stupid. But anyway, Green isn't a guy who can create on his own (and unfortunately we don't have a guy like that), so he's going to produce very little if the offensive line can't step up.
His production on the field will be directely proportional to how much the O-line improves...which may not be much
Behind the offensive line we will have, Deveon Smith is by far the better option. Green needs to improve tremendously. For how big he is, and the trunks of his legs, he goes down like Justin Fargas.
He needs to lay the wood, not go down on first contact.
Deveon Smith probably is what he is. Definitely a lower ceiling type guy, but the kid leaves it on the field. He definitely can break tackles and truck a few defenders. He has pretty good accelleration but just lacks the top end speed.
FWIW, i never cared much for Green's high school footage. Never saw why he was a 5*.
And no, Green did not steal by grandmas milk - nothing against him. Just laying it on the table.
What i personally am excited to see is Drake Johnson, if back healthy. Talk had him as the clear #2 RB and possible #1 RB before his injury. Hope he is back healthy. I would really like to see what he can do.
He was never going to be the starter over Fitz.
I just can't get excited about Drake Johnson. If he's the #1 or #2 running back on our team, I think we're going to be very underwhelming at the running back position. He's not a good Big Ten running back, in my opinion.
Depends a whole lot on the offensive line. Unless it performs better than last year (with notable departures), I think you could Vulcan-meld Barry Sanders, Jim Brown and Adrain Peterson and still have a pretty rough go of it. I hope that coaching + experience + improved strength gets us there. If we have competence along the line, he looked to me like he was coming on pretty nicely at the end of the year. If he devoted himself to the Stauskas/LeVert "get strong" program, and comes back with a bit less, but better weight, he could very well run for 1,000 yards.
as Kevin Grady was in his 2nd year.
and how hard he works in the off season.
O-line needs to get better, of course, but he also looked out of shape.
It all depends on our O Line!
So much, man.
Like, you have no idea.
a lot of people seem down on our RB's.. but we have a handful. and I think at least 2 of them can be very special if the o-line does it's job. Nuss can make a difference as well..
Either way.. the run game can't get any worse. But majority of these linemen and RB's are so young.. hopefully it just gets better with time and the new coordinator.
He seems to be saying the right things in this article. Hopefully he does follow through.
Worst case scenario, he'll only be this good:
Green will be a year older and stronger. So will all of the young players who were pressed into duty on the OL. The running game will be fine.
He will improve by four.
I was thinking 3.2, but I'll give you he might improve by 4.
Magnus how can you judge Drake Johnson when no one has actually seen him play in a live college game? Have you been to practices and know something we dont? Now after a serious injury like that im not sure how he will play but I believe he could be perfect for our offense. I mean hes 6'1 and around 220 lbs and the fastest running back on the team. As far as Derrick Green, we all saw him improve once he lost some weight and i think he needs to lose another 5 lbs or so. Playing at around 225. I agree with Magnus that hes not the type of runningback who can create things on his own. The o-line must get some type of consistent push at the snap or were in trouble. If we were playing today I would start Deveon Smith. It was really frustrating he didnt get more snaps last year.
36.5% book it
I expect Derrick Green, Deveon Smith, and Drake Johnson will all improve in 2014, because the interior line will improve in 2014. However, I won't be surprised if two running backs break 1000 yards in 2015. That is the year our o-line will come of age and it will be glorious to run over Ohio and Sparty d-lines. Damien Harris, you should take note... 2015 is the year the U. of Michigan o-line becomes elite.
I would love to see a true 1000 yard rusher again....
We had a less than effecient OL, an OC that had a difficult time adjusting to the game at hand and unless we had great OL and superior backs, i.e., Hart, Morris and a couple of others, most of our RBs under Fred's tutelage have not really become greater than average until they've been in the program for a couple of years. ^I'd like to see him play no bigger than 218 to 220 in order to get to the second level at a faster pace. But I do think if the OC is able to adjust to the game as he sees the defensive game plan unfurl and with expected improvement of the OL, then not only Green but the entire offense should perform at a level we saw in our first two games of last season where we scored 100 points, one against a team with far more experience and blue chippers than we had on ours.' Additionally, the increase in our defensive experience, especially in the backfield and at lber should give us far more opportunities to move the ball because we should be much more capable of keeping teams who have no business matching us score for score of limiting them to considerablen more three and outs. If these things aren't realized, look for a meeting not unlike the one between RR and Brandon to occur immediately post season.
I think DeVeon Smith should be the guy and I think once august rolls around he will be the guy. I just feel as if Smith offers the whole package while Green is a one trick pony so to speak
We need all contributors on hand. I personally would like to see Green and Smith tandem. I think Green is the starter, Smith off the bench with some fresh legs and that uncanny ability not to go down. Think of the 4th Q when the DL and LBs are getting tired and you have to group tackle and horse Smith to the ground. Tired * 2.
The high point for me was CMU last season when we ran the ball like 9 straight times down the field. I was so very happy. Obviously its against a lower caliber defense. But get 50% of that back which I feel is within reason and we are going to be balanced again on offense.
The team is going to continue to improve even more over the next 2 years as these RBs and OL become seniors. It looks like Hoke is able to reload, that's very important. I hope the '15 class shapes up to be solid as well.