How much talent do our main rivals lose
November 22nd, 2015 at 1:57 PM ^
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That's a good point because Urban has no track record of being a successful college coach on his own. He just took advantage of already successful programs at BG, Utah and UF.
November 22nd, 2015 at 10:42 AM ^
Um I hate Urban Meyer as much as anyone else here but he's had plenty of history being a successful coach on his own. That's the same argument people make to denigrate Phil Jackson's coaching legacy and it's an equally fatuous one to make.
November 22nd, 2015 at 10:48 AM ^
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November 22nd, 2015 at 11:08 AM ^
Well, you're right...sort of. They were 4-7 the year before Urban arrived, but reportedly underacheived relative to their talent level. Who knows what that talent level really was.
I'd be as happy as can be if it plays out at OSU and proves to be true that Urban has just taken advantage of stocked cupboards and enjoyed short term success followed by eventual tire fires. Nothing would make me happier.
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November 22nd, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^
Umm, this is Urban's 4th year at Ohio State... he recruited all of those players listed except the 5th year seniors (Braxton and Chase Farris). Some players were already committed, but would've been players that Urban most likely would have took anyway. Interesting to note, 11 of the 25/6 players out of his recruiting class either transfered, had to quit football for medical reasons or were kicked off the team.
November 22nd, 2015 at 12:12 PM ^
That's the point. That and the ones that were so far down the recruiting process from the prior staffs (who had done a very good job with that class) that, while not yet committed, would be soon no matter who was hired.
November 23rd, 2015 at 9:49 AM ^
I would not say that Urban didn't recruit any of them...
Taylor Decker - Was actually committed to ND. Decker even said earlier this week that Jim Bollman when on Tressel's staff never really recruited him that heavily.
Tommy Schutt - He was flipped from Penn State by Urban
Jack Willoughby - A graduate transfer from Duke this past season
Jeff Greene - A graduate transfer from Georgia Tech
Camren Williams – Convinced by Urban to flip to OSU and join his cousin Armani Reeves (who btw is a student-coach now)
Joey Bosa – Class of 2013 and from Florida, which is Urban recruiting pipeline
Ezekiel Elliott – Class of 2013, recruited by Urban and convinced him to choose OSU over Mizzou (his hometown team that he grew up supporting, and his parents’ alma mater). Also, fun fact… Urban offered him over Derrick Green, which at the time seemed like a risky move.
Darron Lee – Class of 2013… Urban at first didn’t want him because Darron Lee played as a dual-threat QB in high school (a position filled by Braxton, Kenny Guiton, Cardale Jones and JT Barrett at the time). Fickell was adamant that Urban at least watch Lee’s tapes, and Urban was convinced that Lee could fill another position.
Vonn Bell – Class of 2013, another recruiting battle that went down to the wire. Vonn Bell really wanted to go to Tennessee as a huge Vols fan, and TN native. Urban really wanted him, and made it a top priority to sign him.
Eli Apple – Class of 2013… Part of the quinfecta of DBs in that class of (Gareon Conley, Jayme Thompson, Cameron Burrows, Eli Apple and Vonn Bell… 4/5 became starters)
Jalin Marshall – Class of 2013… Marshall was the offensive keystone of that class, everyone was excited about signing him because he was built in the mode of Percy Harvin and would be a crucial centerpiece of Urban’s offense.
Also, I'm not sure I understand how Urban isn't responsible for these players' development, the only ones there didn't start as freshmen under Urban are Chase Farris, Jack Willoughby, Joel Hale, and Jeff Greene. Only the graduate transfer (Greene + Willoughby) didn't have 4 full years with Urban.
Ultimately, Urban recruited Bosa, Zeke, and Decker who currently have the 3 highest draft grades of the team. The next two, Washington and Thomas, were already committed when Urban was hired. The next 4 highest grades, Lee, Bell, Apple, and Marshall were also recruited by Urban. If the draft goes exactly like the current projections, Urban would have personally recruited 7 players that will be drafted in the first 2-3 rounds.
November 22nd, 2015 at 10:43 AM ^
I wrote in the diary thread OSU has agreat chance to lose 3 next year (and maybe more). They are not Bama where they just reload at this point. They have a lot of talent but young talent makes dumb mistakes.
Also their schedule finally firms up - Oklahoma, Nebraska, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, and Northwestern. With their experience drop off almost all of those games will be 50/50 for them. Probability says they drop a few. If Bowling Green didnt lose their QB they might be a threat to upset a very young OSU next year in the season opener as well.
9-3 is still a good year but in OSU terms that will feel like 6-6 as they have been spoiled.
MSU loses some talent too but again as long as Dantonio is there I don't see them below a 9 win team as a floor 4 out of 5 years. Say what you want about luck (and they have won 5 games on the last drive or with 0:00) but their front 7 on D always seems to be good now and they had one of the best classes in the country in 2014 or 2015 for DLs so they will just continue to their run smashing ways and their variable are the cornerbacks from year to year. They will have th ebest group of LBs in the Big 10 next year - you can see Reschke now becoming a player and Frey too to go along with 148th Bullough. On offense they always seem to find a RB (Holmes looked great last night and LJ Scott is only a true freshman) and a good (if not Cook level) QB all non Maxwell years. Some drop off in WRs next year but again they always seem to find a Lippett or Burbridge at this point. They develop players - period.
That said they do lose a lot of experience on both lines - UM will have the most experience out of these 3 teams on the lines by a large margin in 2016 and we need to make hay. Because in 2017 we lose the entire 2 deep of the defense (save Hurst) -- and add Mone - that we took to PSU. And 4/5 of our current OL is gone too.
Big East will continue to be a battle royale. These teams in any 1 year are going to be close enough that even the "better" team on paper still has to go on the road to the other 2 venues and win and even against average teams that can lead to upsets, forget spirited rivalries - ask Oklahoma this year vs Texas.
I do think James Franklin gets fired in 13 months however as PSU loses 2/3 star DL and the O will continue to be a shitshow.
November 22nd, 2015 at 10:26 AM ^
History shows that it shouldn't matter who they lose, msu and osu will reload like they have in years past. It's time to stop assuming msu or osu will be worse because they lose "talent". The last few years have proved this. Not sure why this is hard to understand.
November 22nd, 2015 at 10:31 AM ^
November 22nd, 2015 at 10:47 AM ^
Well Meyer is not Cooper. And a lot of those Cooper years OSU brought in an undefeated or 1 loss team to The Game so not sure why you make it sound like Cooper was an annual 4 loss OSU team. I mean if you want to go that route you might want to go the Earl Bruce years I guess.
OSU is always going to be good unless they hire a bad coach. They have one of the best in state advantages of any school in the country for recruiting. We all see that coaching is everything. PSU looked like a Brady Hoke team yesterday despite recruiting at a Michigan level. TN has been lost in the woods for years despite Michigan level classes. Michigan was lost for years with Michigan level classes as was Notre Dame.
When if OSU loses Meyer then let's talk about downward spirals.
November 22nd, 2015 at 10:37 AM ^
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November 22nd, 2015 at 10:38 AM ^
The rosters are online, friend.
November 22nd, 2015 at 10:48 AM ^
MSU will lose Shaniqua Calhoun and Aaaron Burbridge as well. Unfortunately, OSU doesn't really lose talent. They just reload.
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November 22nd, 2015 at 6:26 PM ^
I'm not sure you're allowed to post that type of Sparty assesment here. The common narrative seems to be that it is over for MSU and we are going to revel in their free-fall beginning next season.
November 22nd, 2015 at 2:43 PM ^