2 big wins. Im assuming we start 5-0. Is he guaranteed to be here next year?
alternate headline: man does job
the mission is far from complete
cools one week at a time if we are successful. Patience on this please. Things right now are looking up.
"Forget all of this hot-seat nonsense," says Michigan athletic director David Brandon, in his first year on the job. "All I want to see is a team that's on the move and improving. And that's what Rich needs to see and that's what our fans need to see, and that is what we are looking for this season."
David Brandon says he doesn't agree with you.
M: What would be a failure in your mind this season?
R: If we're not in the conversation as far as competing for a Big Ten championship and if we're not playing top 25 football by the end of the year.
i was quoting DB, not RR. This thread was started on a commom misconception that RR is on a coaching hot seat. DB debunked that in the Rivals article. Im still trying to figure out what arguement you are trying to make, or even support. Can you help me out here?
Edit: Not trying to be mean here, I am just not following you on this reply.
I wouldn't say that DB was debunking anything. He's probably sick and tired of answering the same question over and over again. DB has repeatedly said that Rich Rodriguez is the head football coach for this season. He has made no commitment beyond that. Rich would not survive another meltdown during conference play this season like we went through last year.
RR knows what he needs to do in order to keep his job. His answer to Albom's question makes that pretty clear.
I would like to see a couple of more road wins & a couple more wins against Big Ten middle/upper tier teams.
We started 4-0 last year. Let's not discuss until the second half of the season.
in many games last year we were outgained and lost the TO margin. this year we are positive in both of those. also uconn is not western and ND without weis>ND with weis.
yes I think that we should not get ahead of ourselves but let's enjoy this.
But if someone's asking a question that concerns the whole season, it's completely fair to say wait till a lot more season is played.
If someone is asking how we're doing, and how we'll look for next week, then yes, no reason to buzz-kill.
Who said I wasn't enjoying it? I don't want to have high expectations and get shot down again.
I'd rather have high expectations and be Michigan than be Michigan state with really low expectations...
always has delusionally high expectations.
My realistic expectations at this point are not that high. I'm waiting until the MSU/Iowa games until I pass judgment on what's happening to RR. Last year a lot of us didn't notice the state of the defense due to some big early wins and Tate's great performance. All I'm saying is that I'm not letting myself get hyped up again until I see some solid evidence in Big Ten play.
are happy to point out that ND actually outgained in yards (not by enough to park a car in, I don't think, but you know how much this means to them at a time like this), and with a QB out half the game, etc., etc.
I agree that beating ND at home (key phrase RE officials from yesterday's liveblog: "The fix is in") is a step up from beating them in Ann Arbor, ceterus parabus. Although we were equally delirious at this time last year, I think it is early to conclude that this season must therefor turn out like last year's. There is a lot of excitement, improvement, and spirit, and a lot of football left to play; I say take it one game at a time and let RR's seat take care of itself. It's about the team, after all, and we will be here in any event.
Presuming wins over Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, and the two non-conference tomato cans, yes.
Should we presume that? After last year I won't presume wins over any of those. Anything can happen. I presumed a win over Purdue in particular last year, too.
Not sure. Alternate phrasing: if we win the five games we should, yes. I'd also desperately like to beat State.
Call me naive, but it just feels different this year. Last year I spent sunday through friday worrying about the next game, even during the 4-0 start; this year I'm just excited for the next game.
I completely agree with you. I don't understand why posters here keep coming on and saying that certain games are locks. Look, in the last two years we have lost to Toledo, Illinois, Purdue, and barely beat Miami (OH) and Indiana. There is no game that is a lock. Sure Bowling Green and Umass should be comfortable wins but we have to be focused and execute the game plan to ensure that. If we look ahead who knows what could happen. This defense has shown lapses at times, and thus no win should be presumed. Conversely, our offense and Denard has been brilliant and shown that it can give any defense fits.
In essence, there are no presumed wins or losses. By Saturday afternoon I hope we are 3-0, working on some of our areas of weakness and prepping for the next week.
RR will be here next year because Brandon see's the product on the field and knows it's only going to get better, stronger, faster, and more consistent. Brandon would be stupid to fire RR just to have to start all over again and go through the attrition and everything bad that comes with starting over. RR has started the year 2-0 and most of us before the season didn't think that would be the case. I"m so excited about the future it's not even funny.
I agree with you.
In 2011, Rod will have 9 starters on offense back, 9 starters on defense back, and his punter and kicker back from a team that is showing a lot of talent and promise this year no matter what our final record is.
To fire Rod when we are turning a corner would be idiotic. A new coach would probably have a different philosophy and recruit different types of players as well. Not to mention we would undergo another wave of transfers most likely....setting us back further.
Rod will succeed here...all he requires is our patience through 2011 when I fully expect to be in the thick of the BigTen title race and a top 15 finish.
I think we may be underestimating our accomplishments a bit at this point in the season because of what happened last year. And because our defense can admittedly be a little scary at times. But the fact of the matter is that present day Notre Dame and elite level BIg East teams are conservatively comparable to mid level Big 10 teams. Thus, wins over a well coached UConn team and ND had to atleast be equivalent to a win over a Minny, Purdue, Illinois and possibly little brother. And that has to bode well for our overall prospect of success in Big 10 play. Moreover, I don't ever recall Minny, Purdue, Illinois or lil brother hitting like that UConn team hit. Roy Roundtree might still be shaking out the cobwebs from that bonecrushing hit he took against UConn.
And we all know that Charlie Weis couldn't coach but he sure could recruit. That ND team has a high number of players who will playing on Sundays in the years to come. And to beat that team on the road was no small feat.
I am trying to be conservative but I must admit to being downright giddy over what I have seen of this team this year. And I believe Monsieur Brandon has to see the direction in which this team is going and has to be gaining more and more confidence in Rich Rod.
Yes, I think RR's seat is cooling. Far from cool but cooling.
Beat MSU and OSU and his job is safe. Pretty safe to say that implies we also make a bowl game.
beat MSU and OSU and he's safe. wow thanks...
What if he "only" beat PSU and all the other games - but not MSU and OSU?
I would hope that an improving product and a winning season might count as well. Quality wins over MSU, PSU, OSU, Iowa, Wisconsin or a bowl win are icing on the cake.
Just go 12-0 and win the national championship..
I think all we need to swing is one of those two and he stays.. we lose both but he beats Wisc he stays.
I think at this point, with the hype of hte media and whatnot it would take an immense collapse to get him canned.
Obviously, Denard has a skill set Tate can only imagine having, but when we started 4--0 last year, would anyone have thought that RichRod's job could possibly be the subject of debate this year? Would you have thought we wouldn't get into a bowl game?
I think in some ways, Denard's early season success almost puts more pressure on RichRod should he not win at least seven or eight. With Denard's talent, should we stumble significantly, there will be a lot of noise.
I love winning and the Denard Robinson show is the best I have seen since just about forever. But there is only so much he can do. In a few weeks, our competition jumps up another level. Reread Brian's detailed discussion of our defense and think about the quality of our special teams.
Folks, the jury is still out and they will be deliberating long into the season. Winning will cure everything, but win we must. Brandon is no fool, but there is a lot of pressure from a lot of alums with significant checkbooks who are not happy about a lot of things at the moment and most of those folks don't know one tenth of what the people on this blog know about what RichRod inherited.
correct. that's why there is no way in hell RR loses his job this year, unless there are some off-the-field transgressions. it would take a blind person not to see the improvement of this team this year. 2-0 despite having one of the youngest teams in the nation (and youngest in the big 10).
remember, UM struggled last year after Molk got injured and Tate blew out his shoulder. we would have won another couple games with a healthy Tate, let alone Molk.
Obviously it's cooler than had he lost both games but I think he is coming back next year regardless of record. I believe Brandon sees the bigger picture even if some don't.
Let's not assume anything these days. We've seen games we easily should have won slip through our fingers too much the past few years to take any game for granted. Let's get through one game at a time, and continue to show the improvements we have seen on a consistent basis.
the consistency on O and the ability to keep our D off the field is why I think we win at least 9 games. being +5 in TO margin helps a shat load too.
Let's wait for a few more games. Another B10 performance like last year and he's still probably gone. We still need to win at least 5 more games, IME.
But till he beats MSU this year, I wouldn't want to play musical chairs with him.
UMass is a good team - take this one game at a time. His seat has cooled but a loss next week will heat it up considerably - and the week after against Bowling Green is the same situation, and the week after against Indiana, and the week after against MSU.
It makes me nervous to assume wins, ever - especially after the last few years. And his seat will heat and cool from week to week. Let's enjoy the win and not worry about his job until the end of the year.
is not a good team
I personally dont think the seat has been as hot as it has been made out to be. The national talking heads like to create drama to drive ratings. We have improved from year one to year two and it appears we have improved year two to year three. Mr. Brandon has seen this and is not going to take the team backwards by firing a man who is not only a great coach, but also a great representative of the university.
In short, I think the "hot seat" meme is pretty stupid. We drastically changed our offense, it was never going to be a smooth transition.
The reason for the predictable and completely uninformative "hot seat" talk is that it catches people's attention the same way an ambulance by the side of the highway does, only in this case it's probably a fake ambulance.
The people who indulge it are desperate for attention and too callow or unseasoned to care if one-time readers ever come back for repeat hits. Every one of these "hot seat" pieces reads exactly the same, with exactly the same lack of solid information. Meh.
Edit. I refer to the "official" pieces by "professional journalists" when I make the above remarks.
We should all know better. I agree one game at a time, for all we know UCONN & ND can be bad teams or great teams.
Let's let it play out. I want Rich Rod to be our coach and he will be. But every game is important for us.
I don't think its cooled down myself. We have won the first two games so people just aren't talking about. But make no mistake, his seat is still pretty warm. I agree with everyone who says let's wait till at least the halfway point. Or if we get to 8 wins in our first 9 games then I believe RR has nothing to worry about. I'm in the crowd of RR should be back next year no matter what, but I'm not Dave Bandon. /s
Or Dave Brandon, either.
you can't really judge how much his seat has cooled until after the season is over. Winning 2 games does not a cool seat make.
Is it really worth discussing after the season? At that point he's either fired or not fired.
I guess my point is that it's foolish to even try to asses after 2 games whether his seat is hot or cold. He could win the next 10 games or he could lose the next 10 games; nobody knows. So right now it doesn't really matter if he's on the hot seat or not. Until we know how the rest of the season plays out, it's stupid to even speculate.
Given the wins, the probability that Rodriguez stays is obviously higher than it was at the beginning of the season. But if he fucks up and we end up staying home at the end of the year he's still totally fired.
The one way in which his seat has maybe cooled is it won't be a topic of discussion every time we come up. Instead it will be WOOO DENARD!
and then the bandwagoners will be jumping to their death, the mass media wolves will be calling for his neck again, and the blogging buzzards will be circling waiting for the carcass.
I just hope we make it through this year so that everything I believe about his ability is true. I honestly think this is the man to do this job. Just be patient. We are so close guys. We are so close. If he's here in two years, this will be a POWERHOUSE.
It really depends on how hot you considered it before the season. IME, shit was hot. After the UConn game it went Lukewarm with a record setting performance. Right now it has gone to Lukecool.
Ask this question in about a month if/when any hammer gets dropped by the NCAA. Then ask again after the season, when his contract will have one year remaining (when you would normally discuss a new contract, no?)
In listening to and reading Brandon, it seems that he is interested in many things when it comes to RR not just wins and losses. Some of those things include improvement and team continuity (my words). I feel that even with a small sampling of two games, albeit important ones, RR demonstrated that the team has improved over last year and the team has become more solidified with the coaches and each other. Obviously, this is much easier when we win, but there seems to be a sense of purpose and direction with everyone working towards the same goals this year versus last.
Sorta like the rivals article referenced above.
will not ultimately determine the temperature of that seat. All that matters is what DB and MSC think. DB seems more than willing to deflect the heat himself at this point, and I think that has a lot to do with RR's calm demeanor this season.
Why is everyone acting like beating our second biggest rival on the road is not a big deal? Of course it helps.
I think the national hubub over the "hot seat" ends with a win over MSU. Wins over MSU. Couple that with wins over BG, Mass and Indiana and you have a bowl eligble team with victories over 2 of the three biggest rivals I think would quash the hot seat talk.
Not saying that he must beat MSU to save his job, but that to me would shut the critics.
if we win the first 6 and lose the last 6 hes gone. and call me crazy but i seem to remember a hot start last yr as well.
Whoever said it yesterday was dead on-this is the new meme. "Well we started 4-0 last year and look where we ended up." Don't worry about a different quarterback leading a different team, no reason to get excited because 2-0 this year is exactly like 4-0 last year. Ugh. I can't stand people who think they know more than our AD.
Actually, though my header suggests he needs eight wins, I'm in the camp that thinks he's safe unless disaster strikes because I think Brandon's already spent enough time around him to realize what he's got.
Rodriguez dismissal would be pretty disappointing considering the direction he's taken things. Trying to change an offensive scheme and win with someone else's players is difficult. Doing so in a situation where it's been done a certain way for a century, is damn near impossible. Until he cycles a recruiting class or two, firing him would be short-sighted and irresponsible.
I would give Rich Rodriguez until Denard's class graduates, at least.
Anyone that thinks that RR is going to lose his job now (barring some unforeseen catastrophy) is NUTS! Brandon has already said that he wants to see progress...do you think he's seen it? Do you really think that he'd be praised for firing RR and not letting him continue to coach the single greatest player to wear the Maize and Blue since Charles Woodson, and perhaps the best QB off all time at Michigan. This team plays with passion and heart. Every player on the field is pumped after every good play, they want to win, they want to bring Michigan back from the darkness.
If RR were fired after this season, Michigan would spiral into the abyss, not get better like so many people think. Use your eyes...can't you see it? This is a team, it is RR's team, and it's still a very young team that will only get better.
Personally, I think all you haters and doubters owe RR an apology -- he's withstood more hatred and ire than almost any coach I've ever seen, and yet he hard the strength to hang in there and put this team on the field. It is still early, but I think this team can beat ANYONE in the nation.
with everything you said until your very last complete sentence. don't think we're quite there yet.
What are you afraid of chicago? We've been in the backwater for 3 seasons now, and when we have a legit contender at the helm, you still pull up. Before, I would have said that Michigan had to play a near perfect game, and have the opposition hand them a few to win. Now, as we saw vs. ND, Michigan doesn't have to play its best to win. If they bring their best vs. the Big 10 this year, I don't see anyone beating them -- not MSU, Iowa, PSU, Wisconsin, nor OSU. Call me a homer if you like, I just don't see it. These past two games have given the coaches (especially on defense) a great many points to work on with these young kids, and there is no doubt that they're going to be better every week. DR is a special player, not only for what he himself does, but because he makes everyone else on the team play that much harder for him. You've got to believe. I've never once doubted RR nor this team, and I am being rewarded for my loyalty with one of the greatest 2 game displays in college football history. And just think...he's only a SOPHOMORE. Mark my words, Michigan will be in the NC hunt this season, DR will be in the hunt for the Heisman, and RR will be in the hunt for the Coach of the Year! I just pity the fools that doubted Michigan and kicked us when we were down!
You were supposed to stop drinking after Saturday's game, right?
I mean, things are looking better, but lets not go the other way and get crazy here.
Trust me my optimism is not alcohol induced, it comes from 34 years of watching Michigan football and knowing that NOBODY like Denard has ever set foot on Michigan's campus (at least not at QB) and NOBODY like RR has been at the helm since perhaps Yost. Nothing I have said is crazy, you and the others have just lost all optimism and hope. You've been beaten down by years of mediocrity and underachieving to the point where even when witnessing what we've seen the last two games, you still try to temper yourself so as not to get hurt. I knew from day 1 when RR was hired that we would see a display like we've seen -- I never doubted once. I knew that he would find that diamond in the rough that nobody else wanted as a QB, and Michigan was going to roll! I knew that RR would eclipse what he did at WVU because at Michigan he can recruit and develop players that are far superior, and therefore the team can go farther. I think the most distressing thing that has come of the struggles of late is the complete and utter pessimism and negativity that has been displayed by the Michigan faithful in the face of the adverisity. There are STILL people claiming that RR should lose his job, that he's not done anything to improve the program, and that if he loses to MSU or OSU that he should be fired. RR wouldn't have lost his job unless it was obvious to Brandon that the program had made no progress, that the players were undisciplined and incapable of playing hard to the end of the game. RR has shown that he has done this, and he's also shown that he had the foresight to recruit, develop, and start the best player in college football and soon-to-be the greatest player in Michigan football history.
Then there's predicting us to be in the National Championship hunt. I've seen a lot of great Michigan Football teams. And this isn't one of them. It could be a very good Michigan Football team, but we're not going into Columbus undefeated. That's not losing hope. That just using years of watching Michigan Football and making a fair assessment.
Now, if you want to say Rich will have us competing for titles, someday, maybe even one soon, that's fine. But the defense is going to have to shore up quite a bit for that to happen. Because all those teams at the top...Alabama, Florida, Ohio State, etc...they run pretty good offenses too. And have top 5 defenses. He can get us there. But it won't be this year.
We were pretty darn close to being 1-1...it's not like we dominated a mediocre ND team. Lets win some championships before we declare anybody the greatest at anything in Michigan history.
"but we're not going into Columbus undefeated..."
How do you know? What team are you SURE is going to beat Michigan this season?
And only two have gone undefeated. And this team is no where near as good as those teams. From what they have. And what they've shown. They might be able to beat Anybody in a one game situation. But they can't beat everybody. So I don't have to pick one...because there's 8, any one or more of which they can lose.
Because I'd be glad to bet any money of an undefeated season vs. a season with a loss, but I don't think Vegas is going to give me very good odds. Will you?
With 10 games left, ANYTHING can still happen. Have we already forgotten last season??
Seems like it. Personally, I wish people would quit posting these topics about RR's job security and just enjoy the damn victories for now. We're 2-0 with 10 games left to play. Let's just leave it at that for the time being.
Denard's health and the defense are clearly going to the keys to a winning record. If the defense can improve, I can see us taking out Penn State, and to tell the truth, I don't think that we're too far off from slipping past Iowa. If the secondary can hold opponents from astronomical numbers, Denard(assuming he stays healthy) can take care of the rest at this rate. I just don't want to have a shootout every week.
On a side note, there is no chance in hell that Rich Rod loses his job, with significant improvement in nearly every offensive aspect, and the NCAA troubles coming to an end.
i keep thinking it would make our program look like such a mess if RR was canned after this year, even assuming we do no better than 6-6 somehow (and at this point i really don't see how it is possible for us to do that bad unless we have a major injury). The affect on recruiting would be a disaster, no? The "hot seat" talk just seems exaggerated to me.
He's cooled down going 2-0 against uconn and ND. Most said we'd split those games, fans and non fans included. With that said his seat is "cool" until we get 8 wins.
I don't think we need to discuss this. "Will RR keep his job?" is yesterday's story. Right now, the big story is how Denard Robinson is the hottest player in the country and how RR's system perfectly takes advantage of his skills.
im happy rich is starting to get his players, fast athletic teammates. Having "shoelace" run 87 yards, and notre dame become quiet! Jumping though my ceiling, the boys are playing well. RR will use this to his advantage, having a game changer in D-Rob. That pump fake, sorry run fake and then the throw was unreal. Rich has great game plans. As long as the players execute and play a hard edge! Fwiw ranked feels great, now lets just keep improving...towards Boise St.
I think the real "hot seat" is pretty cold right now. As for the media-created one, it will be officially gone if they start 6-0. Except, of course, for Rosenpuke, Shyster, and Dull. Even if MIchigan manages to "shock the world" this season, all three will write about how RR is "exploiting poor Denard Robinson" to "win at all costs" and "save his job."
What the team as a whole has a so-so year, but Denard Robinson stays healthy most of the season and accounts for such a high percentage of the offense that his numbers are ridiculously large and he wins the Heisman? Would Rich Rodriguez keep his job then?
A little, but it won't be ice cold until he starts winning Big 10 conference games
When you can beat the likes of Illinois and Purdue then the seat will cool down. No excuses losing to them anymore.