Dee hart is the 3rd or 4th string rb in Alabama. He would be at worst sharing snaps with Fitzgerald this year. Basically all bets are off when it comes to recruits decisions. I hope he chooses the school that fits him best regardless of record.
How much does winning and losing impact a recruits choice: Derrick Green
Given the situation here when Hart decommitted, however, you can hardly blame him. He was an early entry and would have been going to a place that was poised to fire its coach.
What makes Dee Hart as good or better than Fitz? What have you seen from Hart other than his recruiting bio.
Norfleet saw something from Hart on special teams. Dee Hart would definitely be getting near first string carries here alongside Fitz.
So one tackle by Dee Hart on special teams legitimizes an opinion that he'd be getting first-string carries at Michigan this year. Compelling evidence.
the fact that Vincent Smith is still on the field in any offensive capacity means there are at least some plays that would belong to Hart. I think it's awesome that Vincent Smith is tough as nails and gritty, but I like my running backs to be able to catch or juke somebody.
Apparently the ND game from last year is a distant memory? As I recall he both caught the screen pass and juked the crap out of the ND defenders on his way to the end zone. When used correctly he is very effective.
I haven't forgotten that Smith didn't do anything special on that play. It was designed very well, the pass was on the money (thankfully, or it would have been intercepted after it bounced off his hands), the blocks were great. To Smith's credit, he set up the blocks very well -- but that's a trait that ANY Michigan running back should have. Just because he succeeded there (what were his other big plays last year?) doesn't mean he's best man for the job.
Maybe I'm still bitter about watching him drop a TD pass in Iowa City last year when I was surrounded by Hawk fans.
Think it depends on the recruit. Lots of factors that could make an impact on the most important decision to date in Derrick's life.
Hope he makes the right choice for him and thinks carefully because at the end of the day I dislike decommittments and dropouts though I know the latter is a fact of major college football.
Green doesn't say a ton, but I don't get the feeling that winning championships is #1 on his list. If it were, then he would have already committed to Alabama or USC, both of whom have offered him. If Auburn goes 0-12, that would be bad for their chances. But ultimately, I think it's going to come down to other reasons (playing time, how he fits in the offense, NFL future, etc.).
Well put, Magnus. I would add, as regards Michigan, Green would be wise to look at projections rather than this years W-L record. Specifically, with Toussaint gone, and with the incoming Offensive Linemen, Green would potentially be looking at an excellent situation for PT behind an excellent line. I would hope that Green would do similar analysis with Auburn. Between that, and the campuses, and the coaches, and his teammates, he should go where he is most comfortable and fits well. Honestly, if he fit better at Auburn, I'd prefer Green go there. However I do think he'd fit just fine at Michigan.
Wasn't there the story that DGreen looked at Tulley-Tillman and said "Man, you're big." LTT laughed and said there are four more like him upstairs.
Here's hoping but moving forward regardless.
Green did tweet something after our loss to Alabama. The loss didn't seem to bother him. He said something along the lines of us needing a running back and him being able to fill the void.
They stole enough OL prospects last year from us, maybe that gets him. I am still a little bitter about Diamond.
Auburn pays out to their players and recruits.
would look at the OL recruiting classes from the past few years (plus the current recruiting class) as well as the depth chart of running backs already on the roster.
After this season, the insane Auburn fans will probably have Chizek on the hot seat.
You gotta feel for the guy, Auburn is gonna have a hard season, and it's not getting any easier with Bama/LSU still going strong. Cam Newton, Gus Mahalzn (spelling?), and Nick Fairley covered up that Auburn isn't a good program
If you'd witnessed how Gene Chizek did Iowa State and his recruits there, you wouldn't feel bad for the guy at all. He made one hell of a mess and Iowa State was fortunate that Auburn wanted him. He's like Lane Kiffin with less winning.
While you might not be Mark Messmer, don't think you're fooling anyone into thinking you're not Mark Messner, Mark Messner.
Auburn really has a chance at not making a bowl this year. If they are 1-4 thru 5 the coaching controversy will start. That's the worst thing for recruiting
Would they really fire a coach two years after an undefeated, national championship, season? Even for Auburn, that seems hasty. I do think there would be some grumbing, but I have to believe that a championship wins a coach at least three years before any serious job complaints get lodged.
Yes. If you remember nobody wanted him to begin with until he had the perfect QB and won a championship. It won't take long at all, especially with Saban down the road.
It is the SEC and keeping up with Bama is the big thing in that state. I could see them firing him and going after someone like Dantonio, I don't think they'd get him but they'll take a shot
At the rate Saban is going, I just don't see Chizik catching up. The only reason Auburn has a win in the last 4 years is Cam Newton. I don't think he'll be fired if he has a meh season this year. He's still recruiting pretty well, and managed to snatch Reuben Foster away. But if he can't find a way to beat Saban, he's gone within a couple years.
It would be interesting if Auburn offered Dantonio. Mentioning Dantonio and Saban of course brings MSU to mind. Do you think the challenges Saban and Dantonio have had were inherent with limitations at MSU? To put this another way, what do you think of Saban and Dantonio as coaches?
Auburn, like Michigan, has what appears to be a very bright future with insane recruiting hauls coming in. We will have Urban Meyer, and Auburn will have Les and Nick to deal with in coming years. Regardless, it is has been way, way overdue for Michigan to land a blue chip RB recruit. It bottles my mind how we've whiffed on all five stars with the Dunns and Isaacs of the world over the last several years. Kevin Grady doesn't count because he was just that big of a bomb. God what I wouldn't give to have TJ Yeldon lined up... That kid looked NFL ready at what 18-19? Insanely talented.
Most of the blue-chip RB are from the south and it is very hard to pull those types of players from SEC country.
2013 is a pretty rare cycle because 2 of the top 5 RB on Rivals.com are from VA (Green) and IL (Issacs).
Before that you have to go back to 2010 when Silas Redd and Braylon Heard were # 4 and 5.
Who is issacs?
Never ever ever try to predict decisons that are made by 17 and 18 year olds.
Look at Laquan Treadwell, he could come into Michigan and be an instant star. We desperatly need WRs, and we have a top notch QB coming in with the same class.
LOLOLOLOL at anybody that wants to go play for Chizik right now. Anybody.
makes it a no brainer. No offense to Rawls, Norfleet, Hayes, etc. None of them have shown anything yet and Fitz will be gone soon enough. Similar to OL recruiting. Sure it's Michigan Fergodsakes, but we cleaned up the last two years in OH, MI and IL because of depth. If Hoke continues to dominate on the OL recruiting year after year, I'd be suprised.
I've given up trying to make logic fit what recruits do. Sometimes it does make sense such as Zach Banner (degree program) but most of the time ala J. Diamond you go WTF?
I think it was Josh Garnett and the medical program.
For me it was the exact opposite. Diamond going to Auburn for the obvious $$$$ made sense. Garnett picking Stanford over Michigan because they have a better medical school (wtf?) was a headscratcher. Let alone the difference between UM med and Stanford med is nearly indistinguishable.
Garnett is from Washington. If it is indistinguishable, maybe it made sense for him to pick a school that was closer to home.
This and his sister being close was probably an overriding reason. How far is it by plane From Stanford to Washington?
There was a rumor that he had a girlfriend who was or is going to Stanford too. It is probably less than or about 2 hour flight from Palo Alto to Seattle.
Ah the girlfriend rumor. I heard about that as well and forgot about that. Detroit to Seattle is about 4 hrs.
Depends on the recruit's priorities, and just as importantly what the coaches are trying to sell. Michigan is telling Green that we will be a great, power running team in a few years. If this team (which is different from what Hoke is selling recruits in some ways) drops some games it probably wont matter. But if a team like Alabama, which sells itself as being a juggernaut and winning championships every single year, drops 3 or 4 games in a year, that could hurt them more.
Winning a national championship 2 years ago helped Auburn. Going 3-9 in 2008 hurt Michigan. But a few wins here or there, above or below the program's historical norm, don't really make a difference. I mean, look at Notre Dame: they've been mediocre for decades, but continue to land great recruiting classes. That wouldn't be possible if recruits only cared about the results on the field.
I dont get all this talk the 17-18 year old is going to make the decision that is best for him. For people to get upset with them is ridicules. I just think some people need to realize that.
Yes it is ridicules. Especially when a player is as dominate as he is.
All the actual factors recruits consider would technically favor Michigan in this situation (outside of playing in the SEC, which has become an allure for top recruits to showcase their abilities). Michigan is a better academic university, has excellent tradition, he'd play early, he will have a great offensive line to run behind and he's developed a relationship with a lot of Michigan's current 2013 class.
All that being said, I can say with no confidence I have no clue where he'll choose and I've talked to him 7 or 8 times throughout his recruitment.
Is that Slippery Rock is still in the running?
I believe the fact that Green dyes his hair Maize is all the evidence we need of his true intent. Also the manner with which he goes with the double biceps flex after each TD, emulating BWC when he made his announcement, also forebodes Green going Blue. It couldn't be more obvious.
The Auburn situation really does have all the elements of a classic deal-with-the-devil story. Hopefully Green will see that and realize he doesn't want to join Chizik in suffering eternal pain at the hands of Saban throughout his college years.
Winning can have a positive effect on both your Program Prestige and your Coach Prestige. However, these factors are not important to all recruits. You may have to sell him on things like Location, Playing Time, or Academics. I haven't tried scouting Derrick Green yet so I don't have a real gauge on the situation. I should know more by Week 6.
Something to the effect that the Bama game vs. Michigan just showed that M could use him. at face value, that outcome didn't seem to negatively impact his decision re: Michigan. fwiw
have enough points to start my own thread, but this was an article in my local paper about a 2014 prospect: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/09/09/3518395/wertz-catholics-hood-among-best.html
It looks like he only has regional offers (local SEC teams and Wake don't seem too high profile), so maybe this is something.
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