How many of you have failed to live up to your standards?

Submitted by wolverine1987 on

How many of you believe in fidelity but once cheated? Or believe in not stealing but have stolen? Believe in honestly but have lied? I could go on with a list of sins that would eventually encompass everyone on this blog and on earth. We have all failed at one point to live up to the standards we champion and would wish to communicate to others. 
When we fail to live up to our standards and are caught violating them, does that invalidate the standards themselves? Does that mean our lives have been a lie? Does that mean, as Six Zero wrote today:

"Learning that the ethical standards that went hand in hand with Joe Paterno were not only inaccurate, but has also cost him his immortal job status?  Well, it's like waking up one day and finding that the United States is secretly run by a Communist dictator."

Or, as Brian wrote: "Should we forget all the good Paterno has done in our "rush to judgment"? Yes, and yes. This is a failure so massive it wipes out every positive thing about JoePa, of which there were many."

I don't think so. When honorable people fail to live up to the standards they have set for themselves and for others, they don't reveal themselves to be hypocrites. They reveal themselves to be human. And I don't believe they lose the ability to be called a good person. Nor does that invalidate the standards that they tried to live by, despite a massive failure.

Joe should lose his job. He should have this as part of his legacy. He will suffer in private and public, and that is as it should be. His non-action should be condemned.

I can see how many of you are willing to disagree. To say that this wipes out all the good he has done. To condemn him as a person. To say that the standards were a lie. I just hope you have more understanding friends and famiily around you when you fail.

EDIT: After carefully reading every reply, none of which agreed with me, they seemed to all add up to two points. 1- that not reporting this to the police is worse than any other moral failing, and 2- That we should judge Patero harshly for what he didn't do. I had already made the second point explicitly in my OP above. The point is I'm willing to say that reporting it to his superiors but not the police deserves universal condemnation--but that it doesn't erase all of the good he did for literally thousands. But I'm clearly in a group of one there. As to the first point-I agree. But I stand by my greater point.

ShockFX

November 9th, 2011 at 8:36 PM ^

I mean, some mornings I don't live up to my own standard of working out. This isn't quite in line with permitting child rape by not speaking out.

dmac24

November 10th, 2011 at 12:15 PM ^

   The OP makes a good point reminding us that we are all human and have all made a mistake here or there that violates our own standard of conduct.  There are moments of failure and weakness in our own lives.  It is how we respond and react to those moments that makes the difference in what type of person we are.  Do we cover it up continually, or do we deal with it, correct our mistakes, take the consequences we deserve and do everything we can to make up for it and fix any more problems. 

   In the case of Paterno the problem is not that he made ONE mistake, corrected it, took his consequences and did everything he could to make up for it and fix the problem.  He made MANY.   To report this to his superiors was the correct move.  But after that he made MANY mistakes:

1.  Not reporting the incidents to the police when he first realized his superiors had not

2.  Allowing Sandusky to CONTINUE to access Penn State facilities with his victims

3.  Allowing his own football players that he was responsible for to participate in Sandusky's charity event with the knowledge of what type of person Sandusky was.

4.  Withholding this information for nearly ten years without taking action.

     I'm sure there are more things that could be added but this was not just a one-time event where Paterno made ONE mistake or even a few in a row.  How many times over the last 10 years has he been reminded of these incidents?  Every time he remembered he made a nother choice to cover it up.  Every time he saw Sandusky or was reminded of his charity event he made another choice to do NOTHING. 

  This was NOT A ONE-TIME MISTAKE.  THIS WAS A TEN YEAR COVER-UP AND CONDONING OF A HEINOUS AND HIDEOUS CRIME.  WITH THE RESULT BEING A DESTRUCTION OF HIS OWN MORALS!!

 

GO BLUE!!  :)

 

orobs

November 9th, 2011 at 8:37 PM ^

Dude. This isn't lying. Or stealing. Or even adultery. Letting a known child rapist use your football program for a "camp" to recruit more victims, and not doing anything about it for TEN YEARS is pretty messed up.

Bando Calrissian

November 9th, 2011 at 8:39 PM ^

In this case, Joe Paterno failed at his moral and ethical responsibilities for decades.  This wasn't a one-time slip-up.  This wasn't a car accident, one bad night at the bar, an affair.  This was a continued lack of oversight in allowing a child molester to have access to his program, its facilities, and the general prestige it provided while he was molesting children.

Sure, we all make mistakes.  But not many of is make a mistake where a serial child rapist could rape again in your building on your watch.  And did.  That's the distinction here.  This is the most heinous of crimes, and it's time we stop apologizing or feeling bad for Joe Paterno, and instead focus on what his reckless disregard has meant to the children (now numbering in the dozens) who were harmed, as well as the general taint he has brought to everything his football program has stood for over the past five decades.

Yonkers

November 9th, 2011 at 8:44 PM ^

Yeah I really dont set standards for myself, so then when I do something good I dont think I could've done it better, and when I fuck up I just shrug it off, I mean its life who wants to be brought down by standards, I fight the man, AMIRITE? 

EDIT: EXCEPT WHEN REPORTING CHILD RAPE AND OTHER BAD THINGS

dennisblundon

November 9th, 2011 at 8:41 PM ^

tl:dr. To answer your question, I wake up in the morning and piss excellence. Thought I was wrong once and was wrong about that. So no I really can't relate to the whole PSU debacle. Nice try though.

LSAClassOf2000

November 9th, 2011 at 8:41 PM ^

...of having  witnessed these horrendous acts, I can honestly say that I would have no hesitation in reporting the first - and all subsequent - instances. I am just glad that I've never had such a vomitous experience in my life. 

profitgoblue

November 9th, 2011 at 8:41 PM ^

I would hope that I get everything I deserve and have coming to me if I commit any of the sins and transgressions you mention. And, no, I would not consider myself to be a "good" person under any of those scenarios. Sometimes failures are bad and serious enough that, though maybe not criminal, the transgressor's accomplishments and even life's work should be tainted forever.

justingoblue

November 9th, 2011 at 8:43 PM ^

What if Sandusky had only done this one time, after a life of speaking out against child molestation? Or if I murdered someone after speaking to the sanctity of life?

Some things are beyond acceptable as a one-time mistake. Paterno's seem to be one of those occasions.

exmtroj

November 9th, 2011 at 8:46 PM ^

No, because it begs the question, 'if he did this, what else has he done that we don't know about?' Maybe nothing, but now we can never be completely sure

BigBlue02

November 9th, 2011 at 8:47 PM ^

You realize this happened for well over 10 years, right? So it wasn't just JoePa failing to report it just one time. JoePa didn't live up to his standards for well well over 3600 days.

WolvinLA2

November 9th, 2011 at 8:50 PM ^

I have set extremely low standards for my life.  In fact, I expect almost nothing from myself on any given day. 

That said, if I see a guy rape a child, or even come close to it, I'm going to maybe kill that person, but likely tell someone with a badge about it.

Gameboy

November 9th, 2011 at 8:55 PM ^

There are many situations in life where I am not sure if I will "do the right thing".

What if I witness my boss sexually harrassing a woman? Would I step in and report him? I think I would, but I don't know if I can say for sure I would do it.

What if I saw a pack of teens attacking a homeless man? Would I step in and fight the thugs off? I think I would, but again I don't know for sure.

What if I saw a child standing in the street about to be hit by a bus? Would I push him out of the way save his life while endangering mine? Not sure.

But you know what I KNOW FOR SURE? That if I was in McQueary's shoe and I saw what was happening in the shower, I would have screamed, beat Sanduski off the kid, get the kid away from that monster, get him dressed and call the police. I know that that would be my action as clear as the day. No if's and or but's.

And I also know for sure that if I heard what McQueary said like Joe, the first thing I would have done was to get to Sanduski's house and find out who the boy is so that I can make sure that the kid is okay. No if's and but's.

We really need to start expecting more from fellow human beings. Asking them to speak up against child rapist, should not be a difficult thing to ask.

coastal blue

November 9th, 2011 at 9:07 PM ^

I was going to post something to the same effect, but you took care of it for me.

Joe Paterno was not just told about "something bad". He was told about something monstrous, something that has no place in our society and he, probably the most powerful man in that town and one of the most influential in the whole state, chose not ensure that it would never happen again.

He KNEW that something "sexual in nature" was occuring between Sandusky and a boy. He had to seen Sandusky and other young boys attending HIS PRACTICES and he just let it be. How to you live with that? There had to be some sinking, creeping feeling in his mind about what was going on... How do you reason with yourself? It makes me sick.

There are many, many things that I would think twice about. If I had walked in on Sandusky in that shower room, there is no question at all that my only thoughts would have been to get the child to safety and make sure Sandusky was reported the proper authorities. If someone had told me about it, my advice would be to call the police as soon as possible and let them handle it from there. And if for any reason he was allowed to still roam the streets, and I was the head football coach of a major university, I would never let him anywhere near the facilities that I hold what has to be pretty close to absolute power over ever again.

Brian's 100% right: Joe Paterno gambled that this would never see the light of day and he lost. He deserves everything thats coming to him.

ILL_Legel

November 9th, 2011 at 11:03 PM ^

You are so right about expecting more from our fellow human beings.  I am sick of the blame someone else attitude that I see more and more every single day.  People have become so skilled at the blame game.  I often wonder what could be accomplished if people were as skilled at taking personal responsibility for their actions.

KBLOW

November 9th, 2011 at 8:53 PM ^

Paterno and the PSU administration didn't even call the cops. It was that simple. Just call the freaking cops or whatever social service dept Pennsylvania has.  The call could've even been anonymous.  Then to let Sandusky stay on campus and run youth footbal camps after two different incidents?  Wow. Just wow.  

So yeah, Paterno's projected image (integrity, responsibility, etc)  that he and PSU have cultivated for so many years is total BS.

MadMonkey

November 9th, 2011 at 8:56 PM ^

be required.

None of us is without fault, but that doesn't mean we must withhold our opinions about fault found in others.  We just have to be willing to turn the same critical eye on our own actions and intentions.

Rabbit21

November 9th, 2011 at 8:57 PM ^

Relativism in this case stunningly misses the point. I think you need to think really hard about why you seem to rink enabling a child rapist for years isn't worthy of condemnation. That was a stunningly stupid statement.

triangle_M

November 9th, 2011 at 10:06 PM ^

Paterno's sterling reputation was a bit of a facade.  http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/thetoydepartment/2011/11/on_paterno.html

This isn't new information here but not oft discussed, because in general, no one wanted to drag the old man's reputation throught the mud.  Someone posted today that hating on Paterno is like hating on Santa Claus. I agree.  

But here's the thing.  When I was 11 I witnessed the brutal rape of a classmate by her father and I never told anyone. I actually had a crush on this girl but I  was scared and he saw me. Oddly though, I felt like I had stumbled across some family secret and more than anything else, I was embarrassed.  Embarrassed.  I have wished for 30 years that I would have said something to my parents back then.  So yeah, I didn't live up to my standards as an 11 year old but I also wasn't the most powerful man in the state of Michigan.  To my adult mind this argument is bullshit, but at 11, I wasn't sure what I was seeing.   I can still hear her cries. 

I guess this is where we as adults have to come through for kids.  They are not capable of processing what is happening to them.  They are ashamed, they are so embarrassed.  We have to step up, we have to do it for them.  As adults, we can't have any excuses.

 

 

JHendo

November 9th, 2011 at 8:59 PM ^

There's quite a large difference in an everyday human being failing in certain aspects of everyday life versus a man who millions look up to, who parents entrust with their sons, failing to stop a child molestor, a goddamn rapist from harming another child.

Sure, I'm not perfect and make mistakes and am thankful for every second chance I'm given, but if you had told me you saw one of my close, dear friends doing what Sandusky did to a child, I'd personally make sure he'd never even imagine doing that again...and then I'd call the police.

I understand what you're trying to say here, but this is not the time or situation to play devil's advocate.

uniqenam

November 9th, 2011 at 9:05 PM ^

Disclaimer: JoePa should have told the police.

 

See, there's where I disagree with you.  At the end of the day, Joe Paterno, Mike McQueery, they're all just men.  They're not super human because "They're the coach at some great school!".  They're men.  Men make mistakes.  I won't make a final judgement until we know all (or most) of the facts, but I don't think it's evil to make a mistake.  Just my epinion.

El Jeffe

November 9th, 2011 at 9:35 PM ^

This word you keep using: "mistake." I do not think it means what you think it means. The "I made a [insert adjective] mistake" is one of the most over-used and least meaningful accounts for massive and protracted failings in modern American political culture.

JoePa didn't make "a mistake." A "mistake" would be sitting on the information McQueary gave him for one hour instead of 30 minutes to clear his head. We're talking about sitting on that information for a decade, and probably more, since Sandusky mysteriously retired at age 55 when he was the heir apparent to JoePa.

If what JoePa did is a "mistake," then that word has lost all meaning and we need a new word that means "that thing where you protect and enable a child rapist for 10-15 years so your own reputation as a straight-shootin' feller doesn't get tarnished."

JHendo

November 9th, 2011 at 9:57 PM ^

I disagree with your opinion or atleast disagree with your interpretation of mine.  First, I don't care if you're superhuman or not, if you're in the public eye, or at the least in a position of great responsibility, people look to you to do the right thing and doing swiftly it and without hesitation, and doing the right thing is damn different than not making mistakes.

Secondly, men make mistakes, that is clearly true.  But men don't let children get harmed like this.  Tell me if you can name a single person you personally know who wouldn't go to the police if told about this situation...I bet you just started thinking about the most disliked people you know first and couldn't even imagine them not reporting this.  This just isn't a normal mistake.

neoavatara

November 9th, 2011 at 9:00 PM ^

Yes, we all have failings.

Doesn't mean, when we have those failings, we shouldn't be punished for them.

If you get caught cheating on your wife, you might get a divorce.  Etc.

But ultimately, here is the rub:  This is not about Joe Paterno.  That is the point.  

Paterno may have done good deeds all his life.  And good for him.  But here, he failed.  He failed miserably.  And for the University to move on, they need to clean house.

And here is the other point, though you may not like it...we are often defined by our worst moments, not our best ones.