November 25th, 2017 at 4:13 PM ^
On the big run by the QB before the TD
Of course no call
November 25th, 2017 at 4:48 PM ^
There were 3 that drive alone....if we are ever going to win this game again, we will have to beat the zebras as well. When Harbaugh called them out last year (Correctly) in his press conference after the game, I bet you every official in the league saw it, and saw the giant Turd (Delaney) do nothing, so they are going to burry Michigan in terrible calls. I for one hope Harbaugh does not relent on the officials and I personally hope he takes it out on every team we play going forward and runs the score up each and every game.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:55 PM ^
The problem is you have to be a crazy amount better than a team when the refs are this one-sided.
We are not talking about a few bad calls going in OSU favor. The last two years have had at least a dozen bad calls go to OSU favor per game.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:58 PM ^
Im not talking expressly this game, Im talking every game possible. Build a reputation of scoring as much as possible. I know we arent talking a couple, a few, or even many. At this point its several, as a coach I deal with poor officiating every week in both football and wrestling. The problem is, no official ever gets reprimanded for his actions, they cannot be wrong and if they are no one can say anything or youre fined, suspended and youll get even worse calls against you
November 25th, 2017 at 4:50 PM ^
That was probably the most blatent hold on a dt you will ever see. He was passing the center when the center engaged him from the side and Hurst forward momentum just stopped.
This can not happen unless you are getting a bear hug type hold.
The best part for me was the replay. They replayed the play a few times but always from after the QB broke the pocket. Not one was from the start of the play so the hold was not shown.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:08 PM ^
No competent official misses that, period.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:28 PM ^
And that's what generally happens.
If it were mere incompetence, that would be one thing. Outright corruption is quite another.
And that is what we are dealing with. Hence the impossible disparity in calls from season to season.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:40 PM ^
A official who is not completely incompetent sees that, which leaves only the possibility they saw it but still didn't call it
November 25th, 2017 at 6:17 PM ^
That's just comically bad. That wasn't just a hold. He damn near had Hurst in a Kimura lock.
I get that holding is somewhat subjective, but if it's that bad? Give me a break.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:14 PM ^
Think we need to consult their Oline coach. Somehow he has molded a line who has never held in a game against us. We need to figure out his magic formula. Truly wondrous.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:16 PM ^
We should consult any o-line coach in the b10...they all play perfectly against us.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:16 PM ^
I actually wonder if there's something to the speed of OSU's offense vs ours. They play so fast, I wonder if it's harder to see those holding calls. On the flip side, our attack is traditional and slower developing. I wonder if it's harder for refs to see it because I think OSU went like 2 years without a holding penalty
November 25th, 2017 at 4:22 PM ^
The refs are not sped up at all. They are set between plays all the same. It is a decision not to calm them. End of story.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:48 PM ^
That is true for running plays, but not for the passing plays. All of our gripes on non calls are on the passing plays. Look at the holding call made on Cole that was declined as proof...that happened at least a half dozen times uncalled the other way.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:59 PM ^
That was not even a hold. The de literally tripped and Cole just helped him to the ground.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:16 PM ^
None were called.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:44 PM ^
They called at least one on us, can’t remember when it was, but it took us back to the seven yard line.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:01 PM ^
Bredeson and Cole both got called. Neither were holds. Especially if you let OSU get away with what they have.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:17 PM ^
I think over the course of the last 5 years, Ohio State is at the bottom, or near the bottom of all FBS teams in holding penalties. Like it or not, holding is a super subjective call because otherwise it can almost literally be called on every single play.
I have heard rumors that Urban has people on his staff that analyze officiating tendencies (i.e. what is the average amount of time a O-lineman can commit a hold before a ref will call it, what hand positions will be most noticable, and etc), and he coaches the O-Line based on that data.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:18 PM ^
o'korn and the defense lost this game. o'korn missed a ton of wide open guys on good play calls and the defense let a backup qb beat them. the metellus drop of an easy int was not because of the refs. osu is a better team and is much better coached
November 25th, 2017 at 4:21 PM ^
So your rationale is that if any M player makes a mistake, the refs no longer have any impact on the outcome of the game? Wow.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:41 PM ^
that's a pretty significant penalty, especially if their team isn't being called. It's not about sour grapes - mostly - but why in the world are they not getting called for it? It would be good to know, maybe we can learn something from them.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:55 PM ^
to find missed holding calls by us? Didn't think so. I'm sure we got away with a few holds as well.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:59 PM ^
If you’re so sure.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:07 PM ^
Please watch that video somebody posted in this thread, and tell me with a straight face there were as obvious or impactful ones as that one that weren't called. Turned a long field goal attempt into a TD, that was a momental no call on a play that is textbook holding and as egregious as holds get.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:09 PM ^
Dude, they have literally never got called for a hold since harbaugh got here. It is not like the dline is not good. They had a stout DL the last 3 years. The last two years the dl has caused an insane amounts of havoc in the backfield with sacks and tfl. It is litterally impossible for a line to be that overmatched by a dl and never have to hold to slow them down. Yet, here we are.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:12 PM ^
on Barrett's first touchdown, winovich was held by the true freshman. That freshman managed to securely edge out winovich??? No, he tackled him and Barrett waltzed into the endzone.
Stop with your magnanimous bullshit It's overrated.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:18 PM ^
Two and a half games worth? This is year 2 that no holding was called.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:18 PM ^
On the 3rd and long backbreaker.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:50 PM ^
He also got tackled on the fumbled snap. Referees were following the ball and missed it. He was clear around the tackle and likely wouldve been in position to impact the play.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:08 PM ^
around the neck from behind, half a step from a sack
November 25th, 2017 at 4:18 PM ^
I'm pretty sure 0 were called. Which is a fucking screw job. Correct me if I'm wrong.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:48 PM ^
I know they were called for at least the one on the punt where we were basically tackled in the end sone.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:11 PM ^
Yeah they had that. But that was not on the lineman. The line has yet to be called for a hold verse a harbaugh coached Michigan team.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:13 PM ^
and didn't draw a single holding call?
Bullshit
November 25th, 2017 at 4:24 PM ^
We didn’t lose the game because of officiating but it’s not a lot to ask for a balanced called game. Everyone is so keen to call Harbaugh our for his salary so why doesn’t Warde do his job and take this up with the league offices. Why does he get a pass - I sometimes forget that we have an AD.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:45 PM ^
I, for one, an still relishing NOT reading our AD's name in the news all the time.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:02 PM ^
Agree but there is a time when you need to speak up and this is one of them
November 25th, 2017 at 5:14 PM ^
Warde needs to stop fucking eating and stand up for Michigan. He is paid big bucks to stand up for Michigan.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:29 PM ^
User name checks out. Grow up.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:11 PM ^
were both on terrible officiating. When you are down 4 with 2 minutes to go and 2 of your opposnent's TD drives were continued with obvious terrible calls, can we agree that it was a factor?
November 25th, 2017 at 4:26 PM ^
The Big Ten and the NCAA would shit a brick of OSU did not make it into the playoff. OSU is the big ticket darling of the Midwest (along with perhaps ND). There is no way that they would let OSU lose another game and get eliminated.
Poor Wiscy is going to get totally shafted next weekend. Wiscy in the playoff would be a nightmare for the Big Ten and the NCAA. Way too boring. Boring coach. Boring offense. Boring defense. No following outside of Wisconsin. I have a feeling it will be a close game and it will turn on the officiating. Book it now - OSU is in the playoff.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:34 PM ^
Do not forget the holding call on Cole when the DL was going to the ground and he simply fell on him. That is rule #1 for an OL in pass protect.
Really sad when the TV announcers are calling penalties that were missed and there were at least 3-5 on OSU that were missed. Not saying that would have made a difference but it is all about when the breaks happen.
November 25th, 2017 at 5:18 PM ^
It absolutely would have a difference they missed 2 defensive holding calls on 3rd down, while also missing blatent holds on OSU that extended drives. Not to mention the spot just before half. There is 30 seconds left from mid firld and a first down if called right.
There were so many calls that change momentum in favor of OSU. And it was not like the blatently bad calls were split, they all went OSU was two years in a row.
November 25th, 2017 at 6:06 PM ^
Winovich getting tackled by the true freshman replacement at Right tackle the very first play he came in when Barrett ran for his TD run
November 25th, 2017 at 6:36 PM ^
that true freshman is world beater. He perfectly contained one of our sack leaders so that the qb can scramble over 20 yards untouched for a touchdown. /s
November 25th, 2017 at 4:32 PM ^
We needed to make plays and catch a few breaks with our offense and it didn't happen. Officiating didn't help and it's incredible how poorly the game was officiated. Next year, we need to bring the better team to The Game.
November 25th, 2017 at 4:43 PM ^
Or the year thereafter?
November 25th, 2017 at 4:48 PM ^
The refs lost the game again.
Call Delany.