How good would have Oregon been if in the Big Ten? Would they have still gone undefeated? Obviously i ask because the similarities in Michigans and Oregons offense's and because i have no doubt Denard is going to much better than Oregon QB Derron Thomas. I think Oregons O would have shredded the big 10, just as i believe michigans will if left alone. Most interesting game of theirs i watched was california, where they struggled because tailback Lamichael James was out. Showed me how huge it would to get a back like Hart in this offense.
How good would Oregon have been in Big10?
Oregon would probably have one loss to W, MSU, or OSU .
Wisconsin or OSU maybe; no way in hell MSU would beat Oregon.
Normally I would agree with you but this is not the same old Sparty. I think you would have to say that it at least would have been a game and not just a runaway for Oregon.
No matter how many times this video gets posted, I still lose it hahaha
umm i doubt it... Are you forgetting this is the same Oregon that dropped 52 or w/e on stanford..
They would have put incredible pressure on cousins, turnovers would of ensued.
It might be a close game early on, but i bet Oregon would beat them by at least 14-21 pts
Are we talking about the same Sparty team?
The same one that had to run a trick play to eek out a win against ND and again against Northwestern?
The same one that got blown out Iowa?
The same one that barely got by Purdue?
The same one that had their best season in 50 years, went 11-1 and still couldn't get any respect to make it into a BCS game?
Hmmm... definitely not the same old Sparty.
If it was around the time MSU played Wisconsin, they might have given the Ducks all they could handle. But I think MSU peaked right around the Wisconsin-UM weeks and never looked anywhere near as good afterwards. They were lucky to escape the Purdue and NW games and of course got annhiliated with the Rose Bowl on the line against Iowa.
I would be shocked if Alabama wins by less than 17 points.
Sounds like MSU should can Dantonio and promote Treadwell to HC. MSU played its best ball when he was running the show this season.
Maybe St. Mark can stay on in a figure head role until he is 105 like Joe Pa and rack up a bunch of career wins that he had little to do with.
I would say you are right, they would likely have a loss on their record. I wouldn't even count out two if they were here because there were a lot of teams that could rise to the occassion. I would say one for sure though.
These are always tough hypotheticals. I think OSU and Wisc could have given them games, but MSU has been puzzling. They played very good against Wisc and UM, but since that point I think they have been pretty poor. They manned up against PSU, but they were in trouble against Ill, NW, Pur and got smacked by Iowa.
I think if they played right now Oregon would beat them very badly.
They would have easily won the Legens Division this year; however, they would have lost to Pitt in the Perles-Mason Big 10 Championship Game.
Perles-Mason Big 10 Championship Game
At first I read that as the Perry Mason Big 10 championship game...
.... we'll never know
That kind of offense wouldn't work in the B1G.
So probably 7-5.
You're on your game today, sir!
They would be undefeated becuase the Big 10 is way too slow for super fast paced Pac-10 Oregon death machine.
I've awarded you an MGoPoint but, from the looks of it, you've got a deep, deep hole to dig yourself out of . . . Pretty impressive, actually!
I've decided to take your final appeal on a pro bono basis and will continue my diligent efforts to get you out of jail based simply on your posts in that thread last week. Don't get too comfortable behind those bars . . .
I told a joke I heard on the radio on the ND investigation thread. I guess the joke was deemed inappropriate by the mods. I agree that the joke was inappropriate and should have never made it to mgoblog. I blame Tim Conway Jr. because I heard that joke on his radio show.
I will take my punishment since it is deserved. I just have a long journey of entering CAPTCHA everytime I make a post.
I will not tell the joke because I want to decrease the number of times I have to enter CAPTCHAs.
Well, Mason was fired because he had some truly epic fails. Like losing to us in the Buffalo Stampede. And also his final loss in the bowl game, where Minny blew a 31 point lead.
IMO, he shouldn't have been fired, because he actually made Minny somewhat relevant. Joke's on the Gophers.
I did not say that all 3 would beat Oregon I said one of them would trip them up. MSU being one of the options for a upset. Since they are co big ten champs and have only one loss ( a tottall melt down to Iowa) you can't just say well it's Sparty so they would lose.
You do know that you could be neither wrong or right in this argument.
I know I just think it is funny that people are so amazed that someone is actually giving Sparty some respect. To be honest I am kind of amazed that I am giving them any respect.
it isn't so much that no one wants to give them respect. It is mostly because they barely beat several crappy teams and had to get very lucky to avoid 3 or 4 losses..
Oregon had 1 close game against CAL.
You will get the chance to see if they are for real against Bama..
I agree with you on that point. They have earned some respect after going 11-1, however they didn't exactly do it in dominating fashion. I don't know about you but every week no matter who they were playing I was expecting their luck to finally run out. It didn't but fans nor the BCS were overly impressed which is why they are on the same time as us on New Year's day.
While I agree I don't think voters or the BCS were overly impressed, but of MSU's problem in the BCS standings is when they lost. Just like when the polls decided the NC, when you lose is still very key. MSU happened to lose much in the season than either Wisky or OSU.
Could we please get over this "MSU could be in a BCS game if they had lost at a different time" meme. MSU looked horrible against mediocre teams and didn't just look bad in their loss, they were down by 5 scores at halftime. MSU is very, very lucky to have the record they have and everyone outside of East Lansing knows it. The BCS didn't show them any love because they don't deserve any.
"You are what your record says you are." ;-)
Right.... So if "you are what your record says you are", MSU is better than Alabama seeing as they have a better record by 2 games.
Would you care to place an even money wager on MSU? I will take Alabama. I'll do it for any amount between $10 and $10,000,000...
has them at 8.5 expected wins versus their schedule.
Michigan St. vs. Iowa
Michigan St. vs. Purdue
Michigan St. vs PSU
Michigan St. vs. Oregon?
It is my belief that MSU was a three legged mule destined to hell disguised as a Clydesdale until Iowa exposed them. Now I just consider them a Zebra. An anomaly this year that will become extinct next year.
I actually agree with you I don't think they will be that great next year. But this year they have somehow managed to win 11 games ugly or not.
Its tough because the Pac-10 was relatively godawful this year, so I'm not sure how their dominance would translate to the Big 10. They smacked around Stanford, clearly the best team on their schedule and only struggled in one game-- but I think it's tough to say that means they would run through the Big 10. That being said, if they were in the SEC, they would be lucky to break .500.
I live in SEC country and people here are sure that Oregon would go winless in the conference.
I would rather talk about Eric Hipple.
I think the fact that Oregon went undefeated is less of a testament to how good they are then their margins of victory against even really good tams like Stanford, though. While the whole of the PAC-10 probably doesn't stand up to the Big-10 in terms of toughness, I don't think any Big 10 team would've put the hurt on the Pac-10 the same way that Oregon did. Wisky probably would've run the table in the Pac-10 too, but with a lot more one touchdown or 3 point victories than the Oregon blowouts that were so common.
Let's have fun with the transitive property of football!
Oregon v. Wisconsin: common opponent, Arizona State. Wisconsin beat ASU @ Wisconsin by 1, Oregon beat ASU @ ASU by 11. Ergo, Oregon beats Wisconsin by 10.
Oregon v. Ohio State: Ohio State lost to Wisconsin by 13. Ergo, Oregon beats Ohio State by 23.
Oregon v. Michigan State: Michigan State beats Wisconsin by 10. Ergo, Oregon beats MSU by 1.
Oregon - undefeated in the Big 10*
* This is a technically factual statement.
I think two for sure and maybe even three. Wisconsin and Ohio State for certain and maybe even and early season Iowa. It really depends on when they played them in the schedule with the exception of Ohio State who was pretty consistant minus the Wisconsin game.
The PAC10 is weak, almost Big East weak the past couple years and I think Auburn will crush them for the National Championship. The real test for Auburn won't be winning the title but being allowed to keep it two years down the road.
While I agree the Pac-10 had a down year this year, to say they have been "almost Big East weak the past couple years" is a pretty extreme exaggeration, imho.
Unfortunately, the Pac-10 went 2-1 against the Big Ten this year:
7-5 Arizona beat 7-5 Iowa
8-5 USC beat 3-9 Minnesota
11-1 Wisky beat 6-6 Arizona St
Minnesota is a major outlier though. They were horrible this year and lost to South Dakota the week before and got hammered by NIU te week after the USC game. Arizona was ok but Iowa played awful that game but played great against MSU. ASU's record is pretty shaky at best being 6-6 with two FCS wins. Wisconsin was wasn't WISCONSIN until after that MSU loss which seemed to light a fire under them.
I'll admit saying they are Big East weak (this year) is hyperbole but to say they are much stronger than the Big East is hyperbole as well. After Oregon there really isn't much beef. In my opinion, the PAC10 will win maybe one bowl game this year if any this year.
The PAC10 as a whole is awful this year. The Iowa/Arizona game was Iowa's for the taking and they laid an egg the first half which cost them the game. Minnesota vs. USC... USC's second stringers years back could have beaten Minnesota this year so it shows how far they slipped. Also, Notre Dame beat USC at home. The ASU/Wisconsin game I feel would have been ugly had Wisconsin played decent. You can go game by game if you but as a whole I firmly believe the PAC10 is easily the second worse major confrence this year.
The Ducks would blow out Sparty.
That is all.
What division would they be playing....the great lakes or the heartland?
Thought this was going to be "what if they had Masoli and Blount".
If they were in the big ten, they would have a game or two in the cold, and probably less of a homefield advantage. I say this as an Oregonian who hasbeen to multiple UofO games. They would probably lose 1 game due to weather or home field let alone better competition.
Don't forget getting beat up all year with a more phyical conference. Sincerely, put Denard in Pac-10 and he is probably going to be a little more healthy over the course of a season.
One to two losses, but they would be at the top. Oregon is a very tough team... don't write them off because they are in the Pac 10.
They would be lucky to win a game in the Big 10.
Everyone knows the Spread doesnt work in bad weather. And to win in this league you need a big, bruising runningback and dominate time of possession
What a silly question.
runningback like Adam Robinson or Vincent Smith?? I would say the Spread slows down in inclement weather, but to say it doesn't work??? Not smoking what you're rolling?
It was sarcasm, you dope
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one...
It's a running joke on the board that "the spread will never work in the Big Ten".
They do not seriously believe that.
OSU would kill them, anybody remember the rose bowl. Athetic Defenses attacking defenses shut down Oregon. Wisconsin would play keep away and keep it close, but other than that no one would have been able to keep up with them. Though I would have found it comical watching Michigan's defense face them. I wouldn't even be mad that they would drop a 100 on us because I know that's where we are going to be if we get a game changing running back, and Taylor Lewan grows into the next Jake Long that we all think he will be. We could be even more dangerous because our wide receiver core, even with the Roy Roundtree stab myself in the face and gouge my eyes out drops on 8 yard curls, is one of the deeper ones in the league.
Lets not forget, Look at the numbers and Oregons defense didnt stop ANYBODY.
Let me ask this, how BAD does Auburn have to beat them down in order to make some of the die hards here re-think the whole "little fast guys in a crazy paced spread option" thing?
What if Auburn holds them under 10 pts(Which I think they will)?
I predict Cam will hang 40+ on them(Letting off in the 3rd quarter) whilst the superior athletes on Auburns D will hold them to under 10 pts. When and if this comes true, I'll be very interested in seeing how loudly and boldly folks continue to sing the praises of "spread and shred" football. Folks, if it was the best way, they'd be doing it in the NFL all over the place. Once placed against superior athletes it looks just as futile as any other offensive scheme based on "trickeration".
didn't stop anybody??
They're 26th in total defense giving up 331 yds/game and 14th in scoring defense giving up 18.4 pts/game. I'd say their defense statistically had a pretty solid year.
Oregon's Defense is underated becuase their O is so good. They are a pretty solid team in all 3 phazes.
Great stats. I guess facts can really hurt!!
The same kind that say Michigan had one of the best offenses in the country this year, despite that FACT that they didnt do jack when the money was on the table?? I usually ignore those kinds of "facts" since they dont even tell 10% of the real story. That D wouldnt have been top 5 in the SEC. (IMHO)
Look at the teams they played and it doesnt seem nearly as "solid". They're undersized and it will show up against Auburn. Much like TCU will experience against Wisconsin. Of course these are all opinions and we DO have the benefit of waiting a mere couple of weeks to see just how "stoned" I am. However as prepared as I will be to eat some crow, I'll also be prepared to feed it to those who need it.
Auburn runs the spread too buddy, and their spread is based almost entirely on "trickeration." It did maul the SEC, just like the National Champion Florida Gators did in 2006-7 and 2008-9, but yeah, the spread won't work in college football.
Son, that Florida team absolutely PAINTED the NFL with its top caliber talent from that year, much like the Michigan Wolverines used to. They could have been running an option/winged-t and would have beaten teams just the same.
PS, on 3rd and goal from the 1, they didnt line Tebow up for the snap at the 9 with an empty backfield.
but I want some!!
The reason the running spread doesn't work (as well) in the NFL is because the quarterback is more likely to get injured in the NFL and quarterbacks are so important and important.
No, the reason is doesnt work in the NFL is that the entire field is covered with top notch athletes.
The spread & spread option schemes are based on exploiting speed/talent mismatches in 1 on 1 or open field situations. Something that is very usefull in college football where, on any given week the defense you're playing probably only has 1-2 guys with NFL level talent. Hence its success in the Big East, less top caliber talent to compete against(especially once Va. Tech and the U were out of there)
However, once that defense has 5-7 guys with NFL level talent, you will NOT beat them with trickeration alone(of course anomolies happen) You better have NFL level players on your offense ot match them step for step(Something past Florida teams had, Auburn has, Illinois hasnt)
So, my take is, if you can get the biggest, fastest strongest guys with a good "game sense" you can win against top teams with ANY offense, however if all you can get are the middle of the road athletes then a spread might just net you a few more wins each year against teams with similar athletes. You wont suddenly be beating teams full of NFL draftees like some seem to believe around here. JImmys and Joes, not X's and O's
Proof?? Watch the 1st quarter of the OSU game this year. Watch how OSU handled Oregon last year .
If we are going to argue about not stopping anyone Auburn certainly comes to mind. They don't stop anyone. Their secondary is barely better than ours, but they have good line play so they make a play every once in awhile. Oregon will score on them and I think Auburn needs to score early because if they get behind, that defense will take advantage just like they have all year.
I fully believe Oregon still would have gone undefeated. I think Stanford is as good, possibly better than any team in the Big Ten and Oregon put it to them. I know that's one game coompared to running up against maybe 3 teams, but then, who's to say they would have played them all. It's all hypothetical but I think they would beat every team in the league.
I fully believe that we'd be a ten win team in the Pac 10. The Pac 10 is down this year, while the
Big 10 B1g 10 is one of the top two conferences (toss-up between SEC and Big 10). This is overall a down year for college football, with it being more even than it has ever been before. It allowed for teams like Oregon and Auburn who were at their strongest to really shine.
Agree that it's probably a down year for college football, but imo, the big ten is pretty top heavy with OSU, Wisky and MSU. After that it's a bunch of average teams (Iowa, PSU, Illinois, Michigan, Northwestern). Iowa lost their big non-conference match up. PSU got clobbered in theirs. Illinois lost not only to Missouri but Fresno St as well.
with a loss to michigan
The thought of that offense against Michigan's defense makes me physically ill.
As the thought of that Auburn defense against our offense. I watched Auburns games against Bama & Arkansas and the big boy hits that they were dishing out would cripple our little fellas.
Oregon is gonna FEEL that , I'll be surprised if their QB is still playing in the 2nd half.
"fronting" go out of style a decade ago?
All the local pundits would scream for their head coach to be fired and their AD would wait until after the bowl game to decide what to do. Meanwhile the message boards would be clamoring whether there should be a cc and all forms of combinations as to the implications of said cc would be posted.
Pryor would dominate in their system. Dominate.
It is also important take into account - weather. Pac10 enjoys a sunny mid 60's weather in October and mabe 40-50 is novemeber whereas Big10 is freezing in those months. Oregon could be a part of the Big10 but playing away games for them would be very hard for them - they would have more losses than just one. Maybe 3-4.
They would done very well. What people here overlook is that Oregon is a complete team, good at offense, defense and special teams. They have no significant weaknesses. We really don't compare to them in any phase of the game. Even our "great" offense was very ordinary in the redzone and had a horrendously high turnover rate.