How good are our linebackers?
because didn't we get a ton of linebackers in the last few recruiting classes?
Our linebackers have played very well this year, if you've been paying attention to Brian's UFRs. While UFRs not the be-all, end-all when it comes to evaluation, they carry more weight than what some radio hacks say about our linebackers based on observations from one game against one of the top offenses in the nation.
EDIT: Ok, fine, Marcus Ray and Andy Mignery are not hacks, but my point still stands. The general consensus is that our linebackers are probably the strongest unit on our defense.
Mignery can be debated since he was a TE, not defender. But Ray especially should know something about defensive play.
Mignery was also a quarterback. Both of these guys know the game, and know Michigan's football program very well. They are dialed into every game, every year, and comment on them every week. I think they could probably cut the LBs some slack, and one thing not mentioned much the past few days on TKA has been fact that James Ross was out on Saturday. Still, we could use better talent at LB - hopefully most of it is age at least for some of them. But there is an uneven level of talent amongst them.
I am kinda sick of Mignery. All year he took callers who criticized the coaches to task for not supporting the team and the threw the kids under the bus. He constantly stated players who were being asked to do things they could not do had to step up and lead. While not ever acknowledging the Offensive coaching staff had any culpability, the guy is a third string hack. And why the hell does he get away with saying "winged-tipped helmet"? What the hell is that?
Andy Mignery seems like a great guy and a true Michigan fan / Man, but I've yet to hear him say anything insightful on that radio show. At times, he sounds like a dim bulb.
I can't believe anybody who's watched us this year actually believe our linebackers are a strength. Morgan is slow and small can't tackle anybody in open space. Ross is the best of the bunch but he can't get off a block. Bolden is still recovering from Mono and Ryan is still getting back into shape. Our depth is pretty much non existent and the kids we have coming in are all very slow as well. We need guys who cover sideline to sideline not big lumbering guys who got by in High School cause they where bigger than everybody else. Our Cornerbacks are the strength of our Defense and the only position of honest strength on that side of the ball.
Whatever the new guy says...
That's pretty serious for a football player in the season. When did this happen? First I heard of this.
TE's had quite a bit of success against Michigan this year whether that be on the LB's or S's probably a little bit of both.
Not sure they will be able to keep Ben Gedeon off the field now.
I think they should be able to redshirt the LB class coming in hopefully and get a year seperation.
With all due respect to Brian's UFR, you want us to take a blogger's UFR over the assessement of guys who not only played football at this level but are in Ann Arbor and involved with the program in terms of being close to the players and staff being on the 'flagship' local station? God bless Brian but I doubt he even played HS football ;)
If nothing else I bet they are parroting a lot of things they are hearing from other former players...
We have a nice group of LBs but compared to Iowa's, MSU's it is a step below and probably near Wisconsin's. Which is not bad but not great.
Gedeon is going to be a beast!
He's learning from JMFR.
One better to learn from!
OL. Frankly, the OL should eat up LB.s They are bigger, stronger, and in a confined space.
I think the problem is with the DL, not LB's.
The DL was a huge letdown this year
I don't remember Q making a single play this year. Losing Pipkins hurt.
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Not having Ross out there can't have helped much. And as other people have said it's part of the DL's job to keep those OL off our LBs.
Our lb's were pretty horrendous in passing situations all year and bit on play action a lot, obviously some of the issues in the running game stem from poor d-line play but there is no reason every te that played against us was wide open over the midle multiple times a game.
Umm this is a DL issue, Marcus Ray should no this. It's that simple. Are our LB's world beaters? No, I mean Jake Ryan might be, but they're pretty damn good (and that's with JRIII not even playing...a small-ish yet very athletic LB).
LOL People trying to say they know better than Marcus Ray who is one of the few people to wear a Michigan uniform stil alive that know what it takes to play championship Defense.
I know, former players are never wrong or have an opinion that maybe isn't 100% correct. Dude, in a vacuum our LB is fine. Why is it hard to understand the lack of good and consistent DL play would affect the LB play? Their flow, their reads, their timing, etc. All important things for a LB. It all starts up front, offense and defense.
Right. Back then, Michigan didn't lose any games (actually true in '97) and throttled teams that tried to "spread things out" against them, like Syracuse. Remember how they held Donovan McNabb to negative rushing yards? They were TOUGH!
Until this picture leaves the collective memory of Michigan fans, Marcus Ray will continue to be remembered as one of the all-time greats, rather than a fringe NFL player (which is very impressive, but not commensurate with the praise he gets).
Why should we remember Ray for his NFL career? Many great college players don't pan out in the pros. Mark Messner was one of our best defensive linemen ever, but he didn't do anything in the pros. Mike Hart didn't have a distinguised NFL career either.
I don't know if I agree with Ray on this issue, but his success or lack thereof in the pros is completely irrelevant to me.
I seen a couple of plays that the LBs got caught in the same hole and there were a couple of plays when the ball was snapped the LBs never moved until the OLine were there to block them. They are young but they have mustly been playing that position for a long time. Filling the same holes is a BIG no no thats one of the first things they shouldve been coached not to do.
Well, I think that is fair to say that our LBs were productive over the course of the season. They account for:
- 36.94% of total tackles
- 42.42% of tackles for loss
- 44.44% of TFL yards
- 45.65% of all sacks
- 47.95% of sack yardage
I would think that these quick overall stats indicate a reasonably effective linebacker corps.
No one's arguing they aint effective. To combat Urban Meyer's five star, slot ninja and camp-athlete loaded offense in future M is going to need laterally quick guys who can tackle in space and go sideline to sideline. It's asking a lot. Chase Winovich is a pretty good start.
But how do those numbers compare to other teams' d's? Sure those numbers may look impressive, but I'm not smart enough to know if those numbers are average, below or above. And quite honestly, too lazy to find the answer myself, sorry.
Yep my thought as well- I am sure most LBs on most teams account for 30-40% of tackles for loss, sack yardage or whatever. They are by definition 3/11ths of the defense so a baseline would be about 30% of all production...and being closer to the line they will do more than safeties or corners in the run game so 30-40% is standard.
They are talented and will get better as the D-line gets better.
They didn't seem to be anywhere around when Hyde was running up the middle mostly untouched for 10 yds at a crack.
Our DT Willie Henry was getting his ass washed by one Ohio OL, freeing up another to block one of our LBs.
for the B1G as a group. Ryan has the size, speed and instincts to play at the highest level. Ross is too small at this point. Morgan lacks speed and size. Bolden lacks size (and sometimes instincts). Cam lacks the instincts. Gedeon seems to have potential in all three - but wait another year.
Agree with Ray, but Ross, a Bolden, Gedeon and now Ferns were rated as 4* and considered to have high level potential. Did UM mis-evaluate or has player development been lacking?
none of the above. Those players are young.
Our linebackers next year are going to be awesome. As this blog has said many times, Ross was limited this year because the DL couldn't keep him clean. When he was kept clean, he was a menace. See Northwestern.
JMFR never showed what he is capable of this year due to injury.
I don't think Morgan is an all-big ten type Mike, but he's good, and he's going to be a senior next year.
Gedeon, Bolden, Jenkins-Stone, will all improve this off-season (Especially Gedeon. He's going to be a monster)
Youth. I think they will be ok, especially if the d-line improves. OL will eat up LB's, this is not breaking news.
It wasn't Mattison and the defensive staff's best year at any level.
Experience plays a big part in LB play. Being able to diagnose a play and simply react takes time. Poor Ben Gedeon was thrown into the fire and Iowa was able to expose him. The LBs can also play faster if the DL is creating problems for the OL. When we get better on the DL, we'll also see better play from the LBs.
That's what I've been saying is our problem all year.
Seriously. I was very surprised he cut it.
I think he donated it to make wigs for people who lost their hair to chemo treatments.
It doesn't help when your leading tackler misses the year's biggest game due to injury, and his replacement is a true freshman who would probably be redshirting in an ideal situation. Morgan isn't known for his athleticism. I like our current linebackers, but they're not the most athletic group in the country. Still, as others have said in this thread, I think a big part of them not having big games is the fact that our defensive linemen aren't great. Richard Ash and Ryan Glasgow don't help matters, Jibreel Black is small, Willie Henry is a redshirt freshman, Pipkins is out, and Quinton Washington has been dealing with a nagging injury. One reason a guy like Ryan Shazier makes so many tackles is because he has some hosses in front of him.
I agree with Marcus Ray. To get to the Championship level, the linebackers need to be better than what's there now. I just think they are too short and definitely too light. Ross, Morgan, and Bolden aren't game changers who can consistently diagnose plays and beat the blocker to the point of attract.
I love their effort. They all try hard and all that, but no one is afraid of them. They all need to gain another 10-20 pounds. That's doable in one offseason.
Pipkins being upfront will help this group out alot next season imo
I think part of the problem is the d-line was allowing OSU's o-line to get to the next level. They had a good o-line this year and are all big and upperclassman. Also, most of our LBs (minus JMFR) are either undersized, young, or not super athletic. Ross is athletic, but undersized and young. Morgan is undersized and experienced, but not super athletic. Bolden is a bit of a mystery still, but also young and undersized....same with RJS. Gedeon is young but seems like he has potential and he has good size. McCray is a highly rated recruit, but we haven't seen him play yet. Ferns seems like the best of the group as he's already bigger than all the other LBs (minus JMFR) and from what I've seen of his videos has really good foot speed and athleticism. I think we will improve next year too since we have them all back. As a side note, Mouton in 2006(?) is the last non-regional LB I can recall us recruiting in recent memory. All of our LBs are from MI, OH, and PA I think for quite a while, so that might have something to do with it. When we can start pulling national LB recruits from other regions we will get better...as with every position.
"As a side note, Mouton in 2006(?) is the last non-regional LB I can recall us recruiting in recent memory. All of our LBs are from MI, OH, and PA I think for quite a while, so that might have something to do with it. When we can start pulling national LB recruits from other regions we will get better...as with every position."
I noticed that too and wonder why we are not going nationally more for "southern speed" at our LB level. Most other positions we do seem to recruit more at a national level or perhaps thats just where we seem to be missing on landing some recruits.
On the other hand almost all of MSU's defense is from the Midwest's loins and they seem to have us beat on athleticism so I think some of it is just going off "recrooooting stars" and maybe not as much on finding bad ass athletes and developing them. To that end, MSU's highest recruit on that D is Max Bullough who might be one of the least athletic. (but the brighest). So I dont know how much location matters - but when you watch a FSU or UF or LSU defense most years (forget Bama) we still appear to be 2 steps behind in athleticism.
I think we've gone after our fair share, they just didn't show interest back or commit. It's hard to blame them with UF, FSU, Bama, LSU, Georgia, etc. all in the south. We offered Levenberry, O'Daniel, Hutchings, and Jaylon Smith in the '13 class, and Yeargin, Swain, Williams, etc. in the '14 class. So, I think the offers are going out, the kids just aren't showing commiting just yet. But, I think the midwest has enough LB talent, but right now we're splitting them with PSU, OSU, MSU, etc. If we got the lions share I'm sure we'd be fine. But, each year under Hoke the rankings of our recruits seems to be trending upward. As we hopefully get more on-field success we can land more top kids versus just a 4-star regional kid.
I'm incredibly disappointed in RJS lack of development. He seemed to have it all. Nose for the ball, frame to add bulk, athleticism but he was passed by Bolden, which I can understand cause he was an EE but then Ross as well which was interesting. He's the all-rounder type I think the WTKA guys are talking about but he's not developing.
I think his "nose for the ball" isn't as good as Ross's or Bolden's. I'm not sure what gave you that impression, but Jenkins-Stone was known for his aggressive nature and athleticism in high school, not his instincts.
If he's not know for instincts, and is known for aggressiveness and tenacity, maybe we should give him a shot at DE. It's not like our pass rush could get much worse.
M's pass rush is average to slightly above average. It could get a lot worse.
We were 66th in sacks in the regular season, so that's middle of the pack.
And I don't think a 6'2", 225 lb. defensive end would do much good.
Ross' instincts are the best of all the LB's Michigan currently possess and maybe it was the aggressiveness combined with the quickness that made me think 'instincts' but still I'd rather have RJS being aggressive than Bolden, who strikes me as not passive but not 'forward', I guess, like Ross or Morgan are.
playing furman and avery. We could never get more than 7 in the box, often only had 6. We can to cover up the spread guys which left us very short on bodies near the ball.
It's been a nice run for Avery but I'll be glad when he is gone. Barring some kind of miracle we'll be better off if we can keep him on special teams next year.
After he's graduated? Weird.........
I think the bigger issue was Josh Furman. Michigan basically played 10-on-11 when he was in the ballgame. Wilson will be back next season, obviously, but Furman is going to have to be relied on again unless an underclassman steps up.
This worries me slightly.
Do these guys realize that we were playing mostly 2nd and 3rd stringers Saturday? And our best LB is only like 8 months out from an ACL tear?
I don't know if our LBs are all-world, but the Ohio game is hardly representative of them.
I think that's a hell of a point.
I believe the linebackers are going to be pretty damn good next year. Ryan, Morgan, Ross, etc. healthy. Yes please.
I always thought they were too small
They'll be alright. Mattison knows what he needs in order for his defense to compete at a high level.
Our weak D-Line is the reason for this.
1. How ridiculous is it to dog on the linebackers when the leading tackler is out for the game and replaced by a true freshman that had only seen limited time, and the LB who happens to be the best player on the team is 8 months removed from an ACL tear?
2. If the linebackers are getting swallowed up by the OL (which is four pretty good seniors and Tyler Decker), wouldn't that be an indictment of the DL, which was scrambling so bad due to lack of depth and size in the middle that Richard Ash saw his first meaningful snaps ever?
I suppose these guys generally know what they are talking about, but this is just plain BS.
Damn it Borges!
Hard to fault our LBs when Dl, without Pipkins, and safety play, sans Kovacs and sometime sans Gordon, SUCKED.
I have faith in GREG that he'll figure out the D-line issue and develop competent DL players.
Hopefully, Ross is our next David Harris
I don't think our LB are bad. In fact, I think Jake Ryan is amongst the best we've ever had, particularly at engaging and shedding potential blockers and making a play on the ball carrier.
That said, I think Morgan, Ross, Bolden, and Gedeon, while being good players, are benefitting from our memories 2008-2010 defenses. We have forgotten what great linebackers look like. They look like David Harris, Shawn Crable, Lamarr Woodley, Vic Hobson, Larry Foote, Sam Sword, Dhani Jones, Ian Gold.
We had a steady stream of great backers, All American types. The guys we have now aren't of that cloth. I think that's what Mignery and Ray were talking about. I don't disagree. But I like our guys.
We had All-Big Ten caliber D-lineman in that era too, which helped create the dominance those linebackers displayed. I think our struggles are more reflective of throwing Ryan Glasgow and Richard Ash out there than it is the backers. Also we've had atrocious corner play for much of the season as well.
We had all Big 10 type players at all 3 levels in the past... they all helped each other.
Again, I'm not knocking our guys. And the defensive line is certainly not keeping them clean. But Desmond Morgan is no David Harris. James Ross is no Larry Foote.
I will disagree on our corner play, though. I think we've been pretty good. Although, again, corner play was the worst thing under Coach Rod, so maybe I'm forgetting what consistently good corner play looks like.
Larry Foote's sophomore year: 4 starts, 29 tackles (11th on team), 7 TFL's, 3 sacks, 1 interception
James Ross's sophomore year: 8 starts, 81 tackles (1st on team), 5 TFL's, 1.5 sacks
Considering Foote was playing behind Rob Renes, Josh Williams, Eric Wilson, James Hall - none of whom were superstars but are probably better than what we have on the DL now - I don't think you have a lot of proof for your conclusion.
Yeah, I'm no football coach and Foote has had a long NFL career, but my impression of him is a tough motor guy that plays above his ability. Plus he's 6'1". While Ross isn't as tall, if I'm just watching the two play Ross passes the eye test. He appears the faster and more athletic of the two. I like my chances with Ross as he gets older assuming he stays healthy.
Ross is listed at 6'1", 220 lbs. Foote was listed at 6'1", 211 lbs. as a sophomore.
I'm aware he's listed there, but I think general consensus is that he's more like 5'11", no? I know D-Rob was listed at 6'0", but measured 5'10" at the combine for example. I see Ross more in the mold of a Denicos Allen. From seeing the two on TV (R0ss and Foote) Ross looks more muscular, but shorter, but that's just me.
Interesting point. And I agree the standard has been lowered (at quite a few positions) that people forget what Carr was doing. God bless Dileo but on a team from 15 years ago he wouldnt be seeing the field...now he was our #2 option at WR until Funchess was moved. Same at a lot of other positions - the lack of NFL talent is pretty damning across the board. I think on a typical UM defense you used to get 5-6 starters drafted with 2 in the top 3 rounds in any year, and another 2-3 would get a sniff as a UDFA. On this defense other than JMFR I dont see another upperclassmen who will get drafted. Maybe Taylor or Clark will get a sniff or Gordon at safety but those are late round picks if at all.
Bottom line the NFL type talent level now is not the same as even late Carr era...
I dont know if that's true about UM defensive players and the draft. In the 13 drafts from 1996-2008, Michigan had 19 defenders chosen and in nine of those drafts it was just 1 or 0 UM players on D being picked. In 13 years, there were 8 guys picked in either Round 1 or Round 2. That's pretty good, but it's hardly spaced out. Half of those guys were selected in the 2007 draft off that killer 2006 D. Only 4 of those 13 drafts involved a UM defender being picked higher than the 3rd Round, with three of those just being 1 player. If you include drafts with a UM player picked higher than the 4rth Round, you only add one more draft. Michigan had a TON of players picked during this stretch, but a vast majority were on offense. Other than the 2000 draft (Gold, Williams, Dhani, Renes) and the 2007 draft (Hall, Branch, Woodley, Harris and Prescott) most draft days went by without much say from the UM Defense
...yet. Aside from JMFR, they are all young and undersized, take poor angles, and often can not shed blocks. I re-watched some of the OSU game, and Bolden got held so many times on critical plays, right in front of the umpire. I couldn't believe he didn't call holding. I honestly started to think B1G conspiracy theory, wanting Ohio to play in the MNCG. I know that's silly, but the ref was looking right at Buckeye linemen holding play after play, and not calling anything.
Taking my tin-foil hat off for a minute, I think our linebackers are too small, some are not all that athletic (Morgan), and often times Bolden and Ross take poor angles, leading to them getting caught up in the scrum while flowing backside pursuit. Part of the problem is our lack of big, space eating D-linemen. If we had some real big nasty D-linemen that required double teams, that would prevent the opposing teams O-Line from getting to the second level and blocking our linebackers.
One last thing- I was actually pleasantly surprised with how well Ben Gedeon played last Saturday.
That's what you get for listening to talking heads on the radio.
Better in the next 2 years as our experience and depth is built back. The linebacker recruiting under RR was horrible.
I think the LBs have been very poor in coverage all year. (How many times was a guy open in the seam because the LB didn't ride his man through the zone?)
I think the LBs played very poorly in the Iowa game (Yes, the second string).
I think the DL was horrible in the Ohio game and the LBs had no chance.
Other than that I think they are a very solid unit, very rarely making a mistake in the running game. But they also very rarely made a game-changing play. It was a group that desperately needed last years world destroying Jake Ryan.
JMFR and Ross are the 2 playmakers. JMFR was not JMFR - he showed some flashes early at Iowa and OSU but at those games went by he faded. Understandable. Ross was hurt for OSU and is probably 10-15 lbs underweight. He has the speed... he lacks the size....that said Denicos Allen is smaller than Ross and a terror so Ross can do it. He is 2 years younger than Allen...we forget he is still a sophomore.
That is all we have in terms of big time LBs IMO from what I can see right now. Gedeon showed some nice flashes vs OSU and is our 2nd biggest LB from the eye test as a freshman so he could be something special.
Bolden is meh to me, and Morgan is a nice player - a 7 out of 10 MLB. His wisdom will increase even more next year as the QB of the defense but athletic wise he is not SEC level IMO.
Cam and Beyer are nice rotational players. Beyer sparked against opponents UM was better than on paper, which is expected but was moved around a lot and is again a nice rotational player. Whe facing players of his strength size in Big 10 Beyer began to have less impact. Cam I always thought was about to break out but never seemed to.
The relatively porous DL also hurts the LBs who have to deal with guys who MSU and Iowa for example keep off their LBs to make plays.
If Gedeon makes it into the 4th spot of the rotation next year I am actually quite high on that starting 3 + 1 next year. Ross will be a junior and I hope his body can find the ability to take o 10 lbs of mass - he did not grow at all from fr to soph so maybe he just doesnt have the frame. JMFR will be healthy. Morgan wiser. And hopefully Gedeon takes that big step. After that it's a bit of unknown and/or Bolden.
I do think we need better athletes throughout the defense.
I think we HAVE better athletes on the defense, they're just young and undeveloped. Also, from what I understand about LB play, much of their performance is tied to the play of the DL. If the DL is able to tie up the opposing OL and keep them off the LB's, the LB's a much more productive. Against teams with good OL's, like OSU, the LB's get "swallowed up" (as Ray said) by a very experienced OL.
I think our LB corp is good, I just think that we don't have a guy on the DL that commands a double team and can keep his guy(s) off the LB's.
Linebackers can't lineback (LOL) if they're swallowing the backs of the DL.
Why do we put more value on what these guys say? Because they are former players? That really doesnt qualify as expertise. Dont forget former player Jalen Rose likes to say UM Hoops is back because our recruiting is now focused on Detroit. This just smacks of not needed player assassination
Ben Gedeon was right up there with Delano Hill as two of my favorite recruits last year. But Gedeon did not play well against OSU. He was a huge problem out there defensively.
As far as the LBing unit goes, any one who thinks this unit was decent doesn't know what good LB play looks like. They were a sub par unit all year.
DE and CB were the best units on this squad defensively this year. S, DT, and LB were the weak spots.
We basically had one good defensive end, and that was Frank Clark. Heitzman didn't do anything, Beyer was only a part-time DE (and not a very productive one). I don't really know why you would point to that position as a strength and then say the linebackers weren't.
Simple, a position that only has two bodies on the field at a time one of them was solid. That is 50%.
When Michigan had 3 LB's on the field this year not one of them was solid, and that includes Jake Ryan who really lacked his lateral, and quick twitch explosiveness coming back from the injury. The LB's weren't a position of strength this year what so much ever.
Interesting. Does that account for the first couple games and Ohio State when Clark did nothing? Or the Akron, Penn State, and Northwestern games, when Ross had 33 tackles, 3 tackles for loss, 1 sack, 1 pass brekaup, and 1 fumble forced?
Hmmm, a guy that coaches football who is a stat's watcher. Not good...
As opposed to someone who doesn't coach football using the eye test to tell us that 50% of our DE's who were on the field were solid this year while completely ignoring Magnus' point about Clark doing nothing in certain games?
I feel like you would be a good spokesman for Sex Panther. It's got real bits of panther in it.
So are you trying to tell me that our LB's, heck one of them out of the 5 that played this year was better than Frank Clark this year? I almost want to be a dick to you, but I won't.
It doesn't take much to be bettter then what that unit brought this year, but Frank Clark by him self was far and away much better. Heitlzmen and the likes played right on par with the LB unit. And then when you factor in Clark's play it wasn't close.
And yes Magnus if he is indeed a football coach, which I believe to be true should never be using stats as an indicator of O or Dline play. Shame on him... Truth be told I don't think you'll understand what I'm getting at though.
Oh man, I got so lucky you wanted to be a dick to me but ended up not being a dick to me. I'm relieved.
You know, for someone who didn't want to be a dick, you sure come across as a prick. The condescending attitude is what does you in.
Truth be told, I don't usually understand people who talk out of their ass, so you're right, I don't understand what you're getting at. First off, I am guessing Magnus doesn't give a shit if you believe he is a coach. Second, I'm not sure why him being a coach is a reason he should never use stats as to how well a unit played. Third, I would like to know what amazing barometer you are using to let us know how stupid everyone is and how smart you are regarding how good the DEs were this year. I'm guessin it isn't as good as, you know, statistics, but please enlighten us as to how you came to your conclusion. If it starts out with "I just watched the games and I got a feeling," then you lose. At everything. Fourth, unless you rewatched every game and and broke down plays for both the DEs and the LBs, you really have no business spouting off about how good the DEs were and how lousy the LBs were. I don't really care whether you are correct or not, but I think it fucking ridiculous that you are telling someone with quite a bit of football knowledge that their stats aren't valid because Frank Clark himself was "far and away much better" than all the LBers and Heitlzmen was on par with the entire LB unit, you know, just because you said so. Actually, it looks like your overall point was that Frank Clark was better than the LBers, which wasn't even the original argument. But please, tell us how your eye test is better than stats Mr joined the site 2 weeks ago.
"And yes Magnus if he is indeed a football coach, which I believe to be true should never be using stats as an indicator of O or Dline play."
Never? Like...never? So Michael Strahan's 22 sacks weren't indicative of anything? Taylor Lewan only allowing 1 sack last year didn't mean anything?
EDIT: By the way, Keith Heitzman made 8 tackles and .5 tackles for loss this year. I'm going to go ahead and use those statistics to conclude that maybe he's not as good of a player as James Ross or Jake Ryan or Desmond Morgan. Sorry.