Well, Mario Manningham scored a 6 and got admitted to Michigan.
How does one even get into college and get a 4 on the Wonderlic?
and he was an Academic All-Big Ten. Did Manningham ever give an explanation for his low score?
Pryor was an excellent explorer.
Are these scores actually publicly released, or is this all hearsay?
Pryor's area of expertise was research, not useless trivia.
Yes, and research is good for learning things and figuring out things.
Too high to focus?
It's not like anyone expects any better out of them.
Kind of ridiculous; I think you actually have to try to get those wrong. Anybody who doesn't even know that wrong is the opposite of complex should be returning for another year of high school.
I think you got that question simple.
I see what you did there. That was very complex of you.
Hey: it's not the athlete's fault that they forgot to put "simplex" in the answers.
Same goes to people who can't post correctly
Some players see it as a waste of time and just fill in random bubbles and leave? I mean, it is the only explanation I can come up with.
Does the wonderic matter? I mean really, you draft people based on skill set not IQ, stupid test IMO, I think some just put down answers...
Wouldn't you get, on average, 10/50 by just picking at random?
But he got this question wrong in his head:
"For this test you should us a number 2 pencil. You will be using a number ______ pencil:
a) 1 b) 2 c) 3 d) no e) pen"
the test is times 12 minutes. so if someone cant answer the questions quickly, and is thinking about them then they arent likely to get through all of the questions.
I can understand how someone can panic under this situation, but it seems like your agent should get you some coaching for the test. "If there are 2 minutes left, just mark B for the rest of them".
Then they're screwed when the choices are J to N. "Where's the B? I can't find the B!"
I feel like the players don't even give a shit about the test and just put whatever letters down as the answers. Why should they give a shit? They are there for their athletic ability and they KNOW that. The thing I want done is a survey given to players that asks them if they really even try on this test.
What I don't understand is why they don't care. They should have at least some pride and try on the test.
Say at an interview with a company they ask me to run a 40 or broad jump. My performance in these probably won't affect the likelihood I get hired, but I'm still going to bust my ass rather than just walking or hopping.
If you can't read due to a learning disability, it seems like it would be easy to score a 4.
If you actually can't read, you probably shouldn't be in college.
If you have a disability, universities make accommodations for you. Illiterate does not equal unintelligent.
There is a difference between reading at a below-normal grade level (for which a college might make accommodations) and being actually illiterate. The level of language used in those example questions can't be higher than an elementary reading level.
I wonder, what if a player has dyslexia? That would warrant accommodations, and make taking any test without help somewhat difficult.
Can you imagine the trouble someone with dyslexia would have with the first question in particular? I had to look twice as it, and I am by no means dyslexic. I think that dyslexia or another learning disorder, combined with an "I don't care" attitude, nervousness (because it's timed pretty aggressively) and below-average intelligence, makes it very possible that someone could get a 4.
One factor by itself (say, low intelligence or dyslexia) probably isn't sufficient to explain such a terrible score, but a number of factors could.
I believe the law requires "reasonable accommodations" to be made. If a kid literally can't read, I don't think that falls within the "reasonable" spectrum (unless you're talking about a kid who is visually impaired - but even then, I think he/she would be expected to be literate in Braille).
You have to make reasonable accommodations and are not required to substantively alter the academic program (this is important). It means you do not have to alter your curriculum or alter the expectations re: mastery of subject matter. You simply must make accommodations to put the disabled student on an equal footing with non-disabled students (somtimes easier said than done, but...).
If a kid can't read due to severe dyslexia, a school can provide someone to take notes for them and alternate testing options. That seems reasonable. In this day and age, the reading part of the curriculum can be handled with ebooks and text readers.
If there are 5 choices and you randomly guess, doesn't probability say you should expect to get 10 questions correct?
Am I missing something here?
If the test were taken over and over again, with just random choices selected, yes, on average it would be 10 questions correct. But it can still come out as more or less than that in reality.
Wrong answers are penalized. So it would not be smart to just circle random answers.
The Wonderlic does not penalize you for guessing wrong. See this:
They had an excellent pro day, a half dozen teams really high on them, and they didn't care about the Wonderlic. It was the same reason my final essay in high school English was a poorly drawn sketch of a penguin dressed like Vincent Vega. I was going to Michigan no matter what at that point, just like Clairborne is getting paid no matter what.
I didn't feel like doing five paragraphs on Ezra Pound, he didn't feel like answering stupid questions.
I would agree with you IF they had already been drafted and were asked to take the test. But they havent been drafted and some teams, believe it or not, place a value on a person's intellegence along with their physical skills so tanking a test like this on purpose is crazy.
You were already accepted into Michigan. Would you have drawn funny pictures if you were still waiting on admissions to make a decision?
My counter argument is that Clairborne could already have talked to some GMs and Scouts and impressed them. If I'm a GM, I sit down with a player and go "Wow, this guy really knows the game" I will asusme he is a smart guy even if the Wonderlic comes back with a 4 on it.
Frankly if I was going through the combine, the Wonderlic would be the first thing I'd blow off. I'd rather have great work outs and one on one talks with NFL personnel over a score on the Wonerlic. If I needed a power nap before my next interview, I'd hand in a blank test with an imprint of my face on it from sleeping on it.
My high school example would be taking less intense English classes so I'd have more time/room for AP Physics, AP Calc, AP Programming, etc. I was headed for College of Engineering, so I always cared more about my science grades than my humanities grades in high school.
William of Ockham suggests that you're overthinking things here. It's likely that his thought processes were a little different than those an Engineering student at Michigan would have. The most likely explanation: he genuinely isn't that bright to begin with, and panicked, making things worse.
Do you think he may allow me to borrow his razor? I know it's gross to use a razor belonging to someone else, but I have heard that his shaving implement is world renowned.
Kid is projected to go Top 5 in the draft and become a millionaire overnight. I'd say thats plenty bright enough.
If that score is at all indicative of his intelligence, someone else in his family better handle his money.
Maybe we shouldn't be so surprised at the number of ex-pros that are broke a few years after retiring, when we see the Wonderlic scores many of them have.
Yeah but most teams don't care about the Wonderlic for a CB.
I want to see that drawing.
The test is also timed, so you have 12 minutes to answer as many of the 50 questions as possible. But you also get penalized for wrong answers, and nothing for unanswered questions. Although I don't quite remember whether it was -.5 or -.25 for wrong answers.
So it's possible he answered like 10 questions right, and then got 12 wrong.
It's not quite as easy as you think, those sample questions are def the easiest ones. And they throw in hard ones randomly (not easiest to hardest). So you may have gotten a really hard questions for like #5, and if you dont know to skip it, waste 4/5 minutes on it, and that's basically half your time.
A consulting job I intereviewed for a couple years ago had us take the Wonderlic, so that's just from my experience.
Are you sure you took the Wonderlic? It sounds like you took some other kind of test.
On the Wonderlic, there is no deduction for incorrect answers. It's a straight-up measure of how many of the 50 questions you get right, so you're actually encouraged to answer as many as you can. A score of four means he answered four questions correctly. Also, the questions are intended to get harder as you progress through the test - they don't throw random hard questions in there.
You are correct that it's a 12-minute test, but honestly, most of the questions should be a breeze for almost any adult who has attended college. Here are some more sample Wonderlic questions:
What are the answers?
Good news: she totally owned this test. Bad news: her 40 time stinks, and she sometimes cries when blocked or tackled.
Ummm where's the answer key, I need to check my answers.
i think these tests are more important the more you touch the ball, so for QBs who have to read quickly, react and communicate, it is probably pretty important. for DTs who have less of that to do, its probably not as important as agility and strength.
as far as getting into college - this is part of the "exit" exam, not entrance, bama should not be penalized for this kid not taking a test seriously.
I agree, neither should Auburn or Arkansas or Florida or Tennessee. What about LSU?
Considering he went to LSU, I don't think Bama had anything to do with the situation at all
that is what you think...
that the score rises the closer you are to the ball when on the field. O-Linemen actually traditionally score higher than others on this test. I imagine Molk probably did well if he didn't get pissed off that they were asking him dumb questions.
I don't take the Wonderlic seriously anymore (if I ever did). There is plenty of evidence that it just does not translate to the football field (apparently Patrick Peterson is also really dumb, got like an 8 or something), so what's the point? It's pretty safe to say that the star football players are going to get paid, they're going to get a chance to play, and they will pretty much be able to coast throughs school.
That said, you do have to try to get such a low score. By "try" I mean sit at a desk and circle letters for your answers that make a pretty picture. Don't take this too seriously. Football players are (generally) not very smart. But they're good at football, and that's what counts in the end
Is all it comes down to. Wonderlic shows some mental ability. The questions can be confusing for those without problem solving skills. But you would think that if you answered A for every answer you would still get like a 10?
One goes to LSU
i believe youre wrong on the scoring. i think 50 is the highest score, not 100. seems to me like higher scores for qbs are in the 35 and 40 range, not 70 and 80... so 4 should mean he answered 4 correctly.
Andy Katzenmoyer was in classes like, golf 101, racket ball 101, physical ed, and some other 7th grade level classes. That my friend is how a stud football player can get a 4 on the wonderlic. Plus some people can't test worth a crap I think Vince Young got a 4 or lower on his wonderlic test also.
He took summer courses in Frisbee golf and AIDS awareness.
He probably wouldn't go to college if there was a different way for him to play football professionally. It just so happens that to play football, he has to go to school and learn about things he doesn't care about for a few years. Sure a 4 is terrible but he probably wasn't studying medicine or rocket science, and for a good reason
The answer is that its the SEC. Aside from Vandy, the schools in that conference aren't exactly stellar academic institutions. There's no doubt that schools like Alabama and LSU admit the kids for football and their only expectation is to win championships. When it comes to school, those kids are just passing through.
That being said, I don't think Claiborne is inherently stupid. He's smart enough to read and digest whole playbooks. That takes a high level of intelligence.
Isn't the very credible rumor that Derrick Rose did not even take the SAT but had someone else take it (or Calipari had someone take it) for him to get into Memphis? One of my friends had classes with numerous Michigan athletes and stated that some of them have difficulty speaking English or at least speaking English properly. Poor schooling and other economic, social, and racial factors play into these things.
Maybe he just drew a really nice picture instead.
Was it that Wonderlic test with only 15 questions? Because that one has a key to tell you what your score would mean on a 50 question test.
How can one score a 45 on the Wonderlic and not make a gajiliion dollars per year?
"The academic support at (Ohio), there is no way you can fail. Even if you give minimal effort there is no way you can fail."
Some athletes, black or white, football or field hockey, have conditioned themselves to not concern themselves with written exams. And to this point, which has been rehashed several times on this board already, thier professional careers will not hinge on thier ability to correctly identify the next number in a series but much more so on thier speed, strength, and quickness.
Can you please post the answers to your sample questions so I can see how I did?
There is another one, it seems he has a learning disability related to reading. Known as far back as when he was being recruited. Given the test is timed, if you have trouble reading for some reason that would pretty much sink you.
I wonder if Mensa candidates should do the mile run, push-up test, sit-up test, and sit-and-reach.