yes I know OSU is #1. but as a as a newcomer, how do the others rate?
Only dirty CFB program I can think of is Illinois, which I always found pretty funny since they got caught a lot and didn't even do that well.
Ties in division play are going to be broken by a blog vote of dirtiest programs.
quite a lot of time on probation in the past. Every program has problems, I guess I rate the dirtiest ones as ones that don't punish accordingly when problems come up. *cough-drunken underage cop fight-cough*
MSU has been on probation a lot. I think they're second only to USC. That's probably why they have so many "claimed" national championships.
Beat me to it. This was exactly what I was thinking.
1. Ohio State Football
2. Ohio State Basketball
3. All other Big Ten Schools
I rank them by height.
There seems to be a lot of thefted pictures going around today?
Stealing pictures has been going on since AOL was sending out free trials on 3.5" floppy disks. That is why LSUFreek puts his watermark on them.
They aren't as pure as their away unis
I remember that they one of a couple big ten school's without a violation
*Mich not on list b/c of my bias
You have it about right. I personally that Penn State is dirty but knows how to hide their shit REALLY REALLY good. Pretty much every major program has been with probation except us (I don't count practicegate), Notre Dame, & PSU. I smell a rat in Happy Valley.
Nebraska... I mean the wind kicks up the dirt of the cornfields all the time covering all of Lincoln in dust. Shit is everywhere it is filthy.
7. Michigan State
8. Penn State
Illinois is the cleanest? With Zook in there? There's been a whiff of scandal around that guy everywhere he's been.
Why so serious?
You know, because it's Dr. Seuss, but with lots of F words.
12 NW (except for basketball point shaving thing - eesh)
Almost everyone will have OSU and MSU at the top, and Michigan at the bottom.
But only because it is true.
But what other program is on NCAA probation? Or has been, recently? (last 15 years) Or had NCAA sanctions? Or coaches did?
Ohio State football (very soon) and basketball.
Michigan football (yeah, I know, for the most minor of major infractions) and basketball.
I'd rank them (with severity of infractions being the most important criterion, how recent they were the next most important. Number of violations and number of programs on probation/hit with infractions next. Didn't count Fulmer Cup-type disciplinary violations; that helps many schools.) Nebraska gets a pass until they start league play.
10. Penn State
I think the original question referred specifically to football, and not to athletic departments as a whole. MSU has to rank above us; they've had significant NCAA sanctions in football a few times (most recently in the late '90s).
Sure, it's pointless. But it sure is fun to hold THE Ohio State University responsible for systemic and systematic cheating. It's also a lot of fun to expose MSU as a dirty program, given the teflon image Saint Dantonio has in all Michigan MSM except those from Ann Arbor.
So, my rankings:
1. THE Ohio State University
2. Michigan State University
3-12. Nobody else comes remotely close to what Tressel or his protege have done and/or continue to do on the cheating scale.
Lets skip the brass tacks here.
You sir are a troll.
Please crawl back underneath the Martin Luther King bridge on the east side of Toledo and resume moderating bucknuts.
What goes on in your life where this is fun for you?
Is dirty. IMO the NCAA doesn't look o closely at them in deference to JoePa. It'll be interesting to see what comes out when he's gone.
They would look more closely but looking into Joe Pa's eyes through those glasses makes them dizzy.
It's hard to tell if someone is lying on Skype.
5. Michigan State
8. Ohio State
(8.5) Notre Dame
9. Penn State
I think they should move down to 8. I also think Michigan should move down to 11. I think Indiana should move up to 10.
I also think Michigan State should move up to 3 and Ohio State should move up to 2. Next, I think Nebraska should move down to 5.
I think OSU, MSU and Illinois are all low on your list. But I am really curious about Iowa and Nebraska, particularly Nebraska. We had our debate over 1997, but that was about play on the field. Other than Osborne's bizarre support for Lawrence Phillips, I have always had a very favorable impression of Nebraska as a program that tries to do it the right way. What am I missing?
1. OSU - obvious
2. MSU - most sanctions of any B1G program
3. Purdue - the rest of these are just my complete, uninformed opinion of who seems slimy
12. Minnesota - they suck so they can't be that dirty..
i know this isn't the intent of the OP, but moving away from an ncaa-rules-violation point and toward a sportsmanship perspective, i'd say wisconsin has established itself as the dirtiest program in the B1G under bielema
I wrote the Big 10 and the NCAA after the Reynolds choke of Yorgi. Tressel gave Reynolds one game, because it was "out of character for the young man." Pretty sure OSU has a culture where you can do anything you want to as long as you get away with it. To me they have always been dirty, and even more so under Tressel.
Since Delany was complicit in helping the Tat Five get eligibile for the Sugar Bowl and has generally enabled the Tressell regime from the conference, can I vote for him?
ball, did your homework and described the violations, you'd find that ugly is rife throughout the conference and beyond.