I have tried arguing with people, that this is the BIGGEST game we have had since OSU in the 1 v 2 showdown in 2006. So much is at stake in this game. Agree, disagree? Thoughts?....
How big is this game?
Less hype going into it, but the result was pretty memorable.
Other than that, I won't argue with you. It's big.
That's what she said?
Disagree. This is either just another step to a vastly improved season (even in a loss), or just another step to playing OSU for a huge game later this season.
I will agree with you that this isn't the biggest game since '06, but I disagree that it is "just another step" [ed. emphasis mine]. First, it is an important rivalry game and thus is more important than games against other Big Ten foes all else being equal. Secondly, it would probably be the best team a Rich Rod coached Michigan squad has beaten (barring perhaps '08 Wisconsin and with the usual caveat that it is still early in the season). However, I do think that winning or losing doesn't make or break the season and am more of the mindset that winning any combination of 2-4 of our next seven games is the goal, no matter who it is we beat, unless that team happens to be OSU, and then it's time to go bat shit insane.
...certain that whatever the result may be... it will be telling.
Recruiting even though RR said a kid would not make up his mind based on 1 game I really think that recruits are looking at this game to confirm that RR is off the Hot seat in terms of perception weather true or false. Another reason I think this is a big game is because it is sold out and I cannot get tickets and will be forced to watch it in CHICAGO!
it probably is. A loss by no means destroys Michigan's season but it is a big game for perception. If Michigan wins this week people are going to start talking about a lot bigger things than just a bowl game.
Sparty wishes this game was as big to us as insectosaurus.
If we win this game, it could determine how the rest of the season goes. Yes, I'm damn excited for this one.
I'm sooo pumped to be in those stands saturday! it completely helps determine the rest of the season. The momentum Michigan would have going forward would be HUGE. If they lose.... i don't wanna talk about it. it's all about having momentum w/ this team.
I think this game is important, but a loss will be more detrimental to MSU in my opinion, because the whole fan base will realize playtime's over, big brother's all healed up and ready to resume dominance.
If and when we lose a game this year, I have complete confidence that the team will rebound like the champs they are.
In terms of the Little brother syndrome, a victory here will send a clear signal that the world is returning to its normal order.
not to get ahead too far but sparty has to be scared wittless of losing, there is no way in hell they compete with this team next year.
I think it's pretty big - but pretty much all upside. A loss would suck but would not be devastating. A win makes us immediately bowl eligible and makes 9 wins very reachable.
Since this is right now but I would argue the 07 Ohio State game was bigger. Big Ten title on the line.
MSU has won the past two years and knows that we are on the ropes here. IMO we haven't proven anything yet this season, other than that we can beat inferior opponents. This game is HUGE for us and a win for us proves that we are moving forward from the disasters that were the last two years. State has nothing to lose. If they win, we will never hear the end of it. If they lose, they will say that their inability to stop Denard was the reason.
If we've already proven we can beat inferior opponents then you might as well chalk this weekend against MSU up as a win. They're always inferior even when we lose.
Since this is right now but I would argue the 07 Ohio State game was bigger. Big Ten title on the line.
MNC appearance on the line. That game was orders of magnitude bigger than this weekend. Last weekend was almost as big as this game in terms of the season.
you're thinking '06, he's talking '07.
No, I think that 2007 game is what he was talking about, and I agree. OSU had a national championship game berth on the line in 2007, and we had the chance to not only spoil it, but win a piece of the Big Ten. I agree with FA: the 2007 game was far more important than this game between two 5-0 teams with nothing but a second Big Ten win at stake and a chance to become bowl eligible. It SEEMS super important right now, and believe me, it is to me too, but it's not really anywhere near as important as trying to win a piece of the Big Ten, stop OSU from going to the MNC game, and really end the regular season strong after The Horror and Oregon's pantsing of us to start the year.
Not to nitpick, but the National Championship game was not on the line for OSU at the time we played them in '07. OSU had lost in the previous week, WVU was poised to get the second spot, not OSU.
'07 was huge, but at the time it was played, it was for a berth in the Rose Bowl and the Big Ten Championship.
OSU was our big rival game (when isn't it) and with the B10 title on the line, I dunno. I just didn't get the "feel" for that game. Something was off (uh, Henne's injury was probably what did that to me). I dunno. I can't explain it. I just get that monster feel to this game. I know i'm being repetitive.
This game is a key step to putting up a respectable Big 10 schedule, but we've had bigger between now and 2006. I'd argue every game from the point where we had 5 wins last year was bigger, since they all determined bowl eligibility.
If we beat State we beat our second biggest rival and a ranked Big 10 team to boot. That's a nice feather in our cap, but it alone does not determine our resume for the B10 season. If we lose to MSU it would suck but we can make up for it by beating other ranked B10 teams (Iowa and Wisconsin are sure to be ranked when we play. PSU may manage to sneak back in. tOSU of course stands are the brass ring to reach for at the end of the season.).
Beating State is something we SHOULD do, but if we don't we can recover from it with other wins.
Right now I'd say tOSU is our biggest game. We were shockingly competitive with them until we decided to turn it over constantly. It seems like Tresselball doesn't like the spread all that much. If the offense goes into Columbus healthy and the defense can find some decent mojo for one game, a big win could happen.
I think this game has huge recruiting implications. That's the biggest reason I look at this as the biggest game since OSU 2006. You might disagree, but to me, this week already has that MASSIVE GAME feel to me. While a loss wouldn't completely criple us, a win would go a long, long, way to restoring us to what once was.
CRex is right-- There is no make or break here. We can't go into this with the idea that the entire season is over if we don't get the win. Sparty's not as good as their ranking alludes, probably very much like us. It seems like beating ND early in the season is an eye-opener to voters-- I guess that's what playing a team with its own national TV contract gives you (yes, even though Sparty played them on ESPN).
The Wisconsin win was big, but time will tell over the course of the conference schedule just how good the Baaaadgers really are.
There's nothing King Sparty Cardiac and his lemming followers want more than to be our most feared, most loathed enemy. They want us circling the date, coveting the lumberjack, being the make or break game on our schedule.
Dude, won't happen. Even if you've won 2 straight, you're still just Sparty.
About as big as Justin Boren
The game is THIS BIG!
Win would be great, obviously, but a loss wouldn't be as soul-crushing as many of the losses we've been through. It'd be great to get the 6th win against State though.
I am elated with how we have looked so far, but I am amazed at how (relatively) apathetic some people seem to be about this. To me, this loss would blow terribly. I think it would be worse than our worst loss last year, at least (Illinois, imo).
I think people still sort of laugh at MSU even with the last 2 years. We need to end that crap now. 3 in a row is too much. Illinois was awful last year, just like Toledo in 2008 (i was there ugh). This would be more heartbreaking than either of those.
No way would this be worse than Illinois. That was when Michigan showed it was not ready yet, and was the game that we should have won (in a vacuum). It was not historically bad, like Toledo or App State, but it was bad.
We can bounce back from a loss as soon as next week by beating Iowa.
Also, I was there at the Illinois game, and that game was truly terrible.
It is huge. While both teams have a lot riding on this game, if Sparty wins they've got a great shot at a BCS Bowl and possibly the big ten title. Their remaining schedule sets up real nice: Illinois, at Northwestern, at Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue, at PSU. Obviously the biggest hurdle there is @Iowa, second is probably @Northwestern. The other 4 are probably just speed bumps.
Without looking up the other 10 teams, that's probably the easiest schedule for a big ten team for the final 6 games. You've got probably the 2 worst teams in the big ten (Purdue and Minnesota - to make it even easier at home), another team in Illinois that will probably finish in the bottom half of the big ten, a team in PSU that will probably be around 500 in conference play, one legit big ten contender in Iowa and a team that is hard to get a read on because they haven't really played anyone yet - Northwestern.
allow the shoelace and mr. official explain. and hopefully they keep reminding you throughout the game.
Life, the Universe, and Everything is on the line people!
If I could +1 ya, I would. Not sure when I'll get those privileges back.
Not to be all coach-speak, but the biggest game is always the next game. UM is no longer viewed as a dominant program, one that presumed bowl eligiblity from training camp and spent the season chasing a MNC birth. The past two years have humbled many a fan and player, and so until this team returns to its place as an elite national team, every win, every game is as important as the last. Hopefully soon beating MSU will be an expected outcome, and competing for Big 10 titles a given, but right now the team is 5-0, and will hopefully be 6-0. Then the focus will turn to biggest game in their season against Iowa, and so on for the rest of the season.
Ohio State is bigger. Always has been, always will be. The importance of Michigan State is distorted in the State of Michigan. Outside the state, it matters less. I would argue this game is much more important to MSU than to UM. I believe we will end up with four more wins this year, but I am unsure who we will lose to. A 9 - 3 season is more than successful enough for us, regardless of whether or not we beat State. Beating OSU, now that gets national attention, ends the streak of losses, and would be memorable. Ask yourself: what win are you aware of from 1969? OSU. Where did Bo focus? OSU or MSU? What ends the season? OSU or MSU? Admittedly, those living in Michigan can't stand grief from Sparty, but it just isn't as big.
We beat State, and media will go "meh." We lose, they go "meh." We beat OSU, they take notice, and so does everyone else. It was the OSU game that sealed the Heisman for Howard and Woodson. If we beat OSU, and Denard has a killer game, it paves the way for a Heisman for him too.
I wish I could upvote you more than just one point for this, SRK. I wholeheartedly agree. Think nationally, not intrastate, people. MSU is still MSU. OSU is still OSU. Hell, they're a perrenial top-5 team now. MSU gets hot and bothered over 6-7.
Really well put!
Which loss would be more devastating this year, MSU or OSU? I'm torn here, but really because of expectations. This weekend is a home game, unlike the one in November. It isn't against the "#2" team in the country, like it will be in November. The conditions are perfect for payback from the last two games. So is it more realistic to expect us to win this Saturday, and therefore a loss would be more devastating? Does anyone really expect us to win in November (and by this, I mean given our rankings, level of progress RR has made in his tenure vs. Tressel's already in place team, etc)?
I think the OSU game in the big picture is bigger, always has been, but the conditions surrounding this one game , this year, make this one right up there, too.
Smartest thing anyone has posted here all week.
Its big because Im sick of pride comes before the fall and all that gibberish, and I want MSU to die a slow painful death. I think I want a last second win because then I want them to suffer. I hate them and want them to be heartbroken (not literally, no heart attacks again).
have Michigan blow them off the field.
It's the biggest game in RR's UM tenure.
This is our chance to shut the mouths of the annoying fan base of Sparty for the entire year. This win means an end to their two year streak and puts the meaning of "little brother" back into effect. I'm sick of these green bastards talking shit on every Michigan fan board and website that they can spout their bull shit on. Michigan Stadium dons two colors. Maize and blue not green and white. I want to put these Spartan bastards in their place so bad that I have taken the liberty of getting a bonfire party ready before game night and burning a Spartan hockey jersey that I bought for 5 bucks at a garage sale and cook hotdogs over it's flames. I hate them, I hate them, I hate them. Do I need to say anymore?
I would say it's the biggest game since the 08 capitol one bowl being that we beat Florida and Lloyd retired
Well, my friends from Vonage for this first few seconds can tell you just how big this game actually is
This would be the biggest win for the RR era so yes- it's very important. They seal this game and the Kool-Aid cup will over flow with bountiful sweetness. Prep your couches Sparty!
UConn might have been bigger. We simply could not have afforded to lose that day, on the stadium's rededication, when RR was dealing with an offseason of bad press.
But anyway, though, this is certainly a great opportunity for RR. A chance to beat a top 25 team, take back control of the state, and clinch bowl eligibility. With a win Saturday, I think any lingerering doubts about his job security will be silenced.
This game is HUGE. Consider this:
(1) If we lose that will be 3 years in a row and I am already sick of their trash talk which will only expand exponentially AND that puts us in the position of having to go on the road to avoid an INCONCEIVABLE 4th loss in a row.
(2)It would make us bowl elligble and a game ahead of last year while still UNDEFEATED. Things continue to get more fun as anticipation for the rest of the season grows.
(3) A win would be another big boost to this team's confidence. Nothing breeds winning like winning. The rest of the season would look winable if we stay focused and take one game at a time. It sounds stupid but Momentum IS important in sports.
(4) A loss would bring about fears of a repeat of last year's colapse and more grumblings about RR's seat getting hotter from ignorant media types.
(5) A win writes another chapter in the legend of Denard. He brings our program all sorts of positive publicity which is great for our recruiting and just a big plus in general. Much of the nation was here to fore entirely ignorant of the properties or even the very existance of dilithium, now Michigan is on everyone's lips as the only naturally occuring deposit of this rare and valuable element. A loss will bring out the naysayers who will proclaim that Denard has shot his bolt and Michigan is just yesterday's story again.
(6) It is our only home rivalry game this year.
(7) Finally it is a big step toward making the Ohio State game the REALLY BIG game it ought to be.
To me, its the biggest Mich. vs. Mich St. game that we've had in quite a while. 2 losing seasons, 2 MSU losses, 5-0 vs. 5-0, bowl eligibility, Denard, Heisman, the team repeating "The Team" to the media.
p.s. and unfortunately D's heart attack and impending return.
Any coach will tell you that...in public....
In private, Rich Rod wants to stuff this game right up Lt. Dan's arrogant backside (with all due respect to his recovery....)
He knows that he has to continue to establish his version of Michigan, not just in state, but nationally.
A win continues to bring positve coverage to the program and another step to secure more top talent (yes, Mr. Zettel thats you and you too Mr. Frost and Mr. Wall and even you Mr. Ross)
A win puts the program on the door step of a special season.....
Yeah this is a Big game, but its not the end all be all......
that in terms of the program, I think that this game is bigger than Football Armagedon, clearly not in terms of hype, but possibly in terms of effect. Michigan is young, very talented, and they present huge problems for most if not all teams in the Big Ten. After State, we have Iowa at home, then a bye week before Penn State, which would be huge win while not being a great team. If M beats State, I think things are going to get very interesting for this team, and the results could be special. They beat State, I think Iowa is a win, and I think Penn State is more than realistic. M gets to 7-0 or heaven for bid 8-0, refresh the recruiting page every minute to see the newest commitments. This game is massive. It is scary to acknowledge its full importance, but it is very very big.
At this point, Michigan has accomplished exactly what it did last year: beat its non-conference foes, plus Indiana. The schedule this year was a bit harder: they had only one MAC opponent, and had to beat both ND and Indiana on the road. Still, the rules say that every win counts the same, and all Michigan has is 5 of them, same as last year.
Beating MSU is the first opportunity to make a statement that 2010 really is different. Of course, there will be other opportunities — Iowa next week, Penn State after that. But there is hardly a better opportunity than MSU, until of course Ohio State at the end of the season.
I really think we need this win to continue the momentum going forward into the heart of the schedule.
On a personal level, I do not want to see us drop three in a row to these bastards.
but less because it's MSU, more because of the circumstances. We're facing a conference foe ranked in the 15-20 range. For elite teams, this is definitely a game that SHOULD be won. For teams that want to be an elite team (or in Michigan's case, return to being an elite team), its one that you absolutely MUST win.
A win silences comparisons to last year and really legitmizes the notion that Michigan is back. It also sets up a very big game with Iowa next week-- one that will have even more national prominence than this week's game (probably the game of the week along with Auburn-Arkansas). It also would likely help with recruiting.
While a loss wouldn't destroy the chance for a great season, it would definitely erase a lot of the momentum that we've built up. We might fall out of the Top 25, it would keep the critics talking about last year and it would set up the Iowa game as a firewall instead of another step forward.
So, yeah beating State would be nice, but it's about a lot more than silencing our little brother.
Also, win or lose this game, I think that next week's game with Iowa will be more important than this one.
This is their bowl game every year...........