Good thing you posted another RR coaching/not coaching, fired/not fired, to the U/not to the U thread. We needed it!
How bad for the Michigan program would it be if RR went to Miami?
Good thing you were here to put me in check for posting a reaction to the Rittenberg article. Thank you for all you do Captain Ass-Hat.
Then put it in the thread that ORIGINALLY discussed the Rittenberg article, not make your own thread just because.
You know you now have to officially change your screen name to "Captain AssHat" right? Do it.
I made it a signature. Couldn't see where to change my screen name.
I'm glad I could be your muse.
to do it right I think you need to spell out Captain. Also, is Asshat one work, hyphenated Ass-Hat, or two words, Ass Hat. Grammar Nazis?
....one word. Asshat.
"Ass-Hat" would be the proper spelling of a hyphenated surname caused by marriage.
It's at the language-equivalent of the triple point. Eventually it will settle at 'asshat' because that's the inevitable result of word inventions like this, but right now all three are correct. I suspect 'ass-hat' is most widely acceptable right now, though.
No more meannness.
it would suck
How bad would it be for the Michigan program if a gaping chasm swallowed everything south of Packard and Satan emerged for a 1000 year reign of darkness?
I'm thinking we could probably still snake-oil a few members of the dark army for the secondary. Might be penalty-prone, though.
Everyone in my office had to stop by and look in at the psycho laughing hysterically by himself at his desk.
Couldn't be worse than these threads.
This board has become a very bitter place. I underestimated the strain of the first 6000 DB/RR post on the community. I believed this was a fresh view of the situation but I have failed in my attempt to please all of you.
This would cause me to....dissolve
Pursuant to my new "Neg All Coaching Change Discussions" Policy. No offense intended - its a non-discretionary policy.
I understand. I disagree with your choice but I respect you staying true to your word...we will both be stronger for this.
Please be advised that the NACCD Policy also includes a time within which requests for appeal can be "filed." Requests must be in writing and posted in response to the ruling and must include well-reasoned grounds for overturning the original ruling.
The good news is by waiting DB forces RR to miss that opportunity
I dread that scenario as well because I think he would be wildly successful there. But I don't agree with slow playing RR so he gets screwed out of another job. I think that's an awful reason to wait to fire someone that would bring a terrible PR along with it. And I don't think that is what Brandon is doing at all.
Conceivably, he could squander another year on Rodriguez while watching two appealing candidates, Jim Harbaugh and Brady Hoke, accept new jobs elsewhere. A preemptive move is a consideration.
But will one more year matter when Brandon looks at a 10-year plan for the program?
Fundamentally, Michigan has been about patience. The trait is one of the hallmarks that makes Michigan unique, that makes it a destination school for coaches.
Every Wolverines football coach has gotten at least five years to prove himself since Elton Wieman only received two in 1927 and ’28.
As someone well-versed in and enamored with the athletic traditions of the school, Brandon knows that stability is part of the Michigan brand.
Rodriguez’s record has improved by two games per season every year. Risks aside, he deserves the same treatment others in Michigan’s coaching lineage have received.
The point has been brought up elsewhere on the board, but it behooves M to maintain its brand as a coaching destination by giving a coach time to put his players in place.
Yeah, Elton Wieman got a raw deal!
I don't even know Bigelow, but I'm ready to declare him a moron for putting "Brady Hoke" in the same sentence as "appealing candidates." Equating him with Jim Harbaugh is also stupid.
You would think people would finally get the point about threads like this, it is starting to speak poorly of the MGoCommunity. I also remember reading something that Brian once said about having regrets of allowing us to post crap like this because it starts to look like MLive. I am starting to agree with him.
It's too painful to think of what a person in his position must be thinking right now. I sorta wish he would do the same thing to negative RR speculation threads that he did to the bad female Sparty word and Auburn threads. That way, the agony of reading the threads could be balanced by the humor of seeing a few posters reading something like "-999,732" in mgopoints.
Even if the steps weren't quite that drastic, I wouldn't mind seeing some very aggressive moderation on the "how many different ways can we find to indirectly say 'RR is outta here' today" posts.
Yeah I think the Mods are overwhelmed right now, but it puts a dangerous precedent on not being able to talk about a coach/coaching situation without getting neg bombed 1,000,000 points. This is one of those times where I don't think you can use this practice, but we as users should start to realize what topics are starting to get on peoples nerves and stop.
All of these threads concern Michigan football and are directly on point with respect to the rules of the blog. It is up to us in the MGoCommunity to police these things and the only weapon we weild is the down-vote. I am prepared to lose all of my MGoPoints in order to make this stop. Who's with me?
I think it would be great for RR to go to Miami. After all the bullshit he has had to put up with here in Ann Arbor and reading all the crap on MGoBlog he will really need the vacation before he comes back to work.
You were asking how bad it would be if he went to Miami weren't you? I assumed you meant for vacation. I think it's a lot better than Ft. Lauderdale.
You want to link to that? A quick check didn't mention anything about that, and I have no idea where they would have found the money to pay him or his buyout. Just because someone posted a thread on this board doesn't make it so.
Miami does everything on the cheap, has a fickle, disinterested fanbase, and Rodriguez would walk into another shitshow trying to implement a run-first spread down there.
These threads are getting beyond ridiculous.
Edit: I'll link to CBS pointing to Gruden and Dan Mullen as the two top choices. http://college-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/26158541
Considering that he's an expert on all the inside coaching carousel info...
what if Jim Harbaugh went pro and RR went to Stanford!
Or Jim Harbaugh went to Miami and RR to Minnesota!
well what if your aunt had balls... she would be your uncle...
No offense to RR, but I don't think he's the most desirable candidate right now.
Though in all fairness, if RR were to hypothetically coach in the ACC, I think he'd do very well. I can see him excelling at a school like Clemson.
You're right, after all RRod is no Gene Chizik....oh Chizik was 5-19 when Auburn hired him.
Haha. Nice analogy, but the Chizik scenario is completely distinguishable. Chizik was a former DC at Auburn, coaching during Auburn's undefeated season in 2004, and thus was pretty revered by the fanbase (though I don't think there were many pleased with his hiring in 2009). Chizik is also from the south, growing up in Florida, and played in the SEC (at UF). Rich Rod has absolutely no ties whatsoever to Miami.
More importantly, there are many who think that Chizik was hired, and his subsequent role has evolved into such, to be a puppet for AU's boosters such as McGregor.
You're right, just pointing out that RRod record at Michigan is much better than Chizik and there is a claim out there that if fired that RRod would be hired somewhere a couple days later.
They say ( I listen to interviews on Rivals Radio, o.k. I know ) that among the people that count that RRod is in the top 10 or so best coaches in the nation.
All I can do is listen (or not ) to these people and take it or leave it .
How is RR's record at Michigan better than Chizik's at Auburn? Not trolling, I'm honestly confused; Chizik is headed to the national championship and RR has yet to finish above .500 in the conference.
His WVU resume is much more impressive, but I don't see anything more impressive than Auburn's 2010 season in RR's tenure so far at U-M, do you?
Chizik record when he was hired at Auburn was 5-19, The thought around is that RRod might have a tough time finding work if he is let go .
I was pointing out that RRod record at Michigan is much better than Chizik was before coming to Auburn.
Yes I know that Chizik was part of the past element of Auburn.
...what was Gary Moeller's head coaching record when he was basically (I forget if it was officially) Bo's chosen successor? Here's a hint, it wasn't good.
It's bad enough having to wade through all of the RR-Harbaugh-DB threads, now we're adding RR to Miami? Really?
The Insight Bowl can't come soon enough...
Do you really think that Miami would hire RR at this point? I just can't imagine him getting a high profile job immediately after the Michigan experience (losing seasons, probation, hammered in local and national media....).
I'm sure that he'll land on his feet at some point but it would be pretty risky for a high profile school to take that chance right now. It's like the hot girl with the cold sore......at least wait 'til it clears up.
Someone mentioned Clemson earlier in this thread....I think that might be his ceiling at this point (but that job's not open....yet).
THUG U wants to return to its values. It wants to win on the field and not have their players win in the classroom. RR would fit in just fine with the misfits he loves to recruit. I'm sure Demar is hoping RR goes to Miami so he would qualify.
You are an ass. You clearly know nothing about the players that Rodriguez has brought to Michigan, and the bigoted implications of your comment reveals your hollow-headednes, you Jackwagon..
How am I a bigot? Coz I expect a higher standard of players to put on the winged helmet? This is Michigan. If we want to hold this institution to a high regard, than we need to do the same with the athletes we bring in.
I'm sure the majority of the players on the team are wonderful kids who want to do nothing but work hard and success on the field and in the classroom. But I am not the first person to question some of the kids RR has recruited. And juding by the statement the Miami AD made about how great Randy Shannon was as an individual because he made sure his athletes did well in school and graduated, but fired him anyones makes one assume that Miami doesn't hold itself to level that Michigan does. I know they haven't been elite, they haven't won the ACC, but it's about more than that. It's about setting up these kids for success and to have a bright future just like Harbaugh said. It's hard to do this when you recruit kids who don't meet our minimum qualification or are denied admissions by the university. There are plenty of star athletes that would meet our academic qualifications that we can go after.
I cheer and I support wholehearted the players who play for us. But just because I do doesn't mean I think their coach is the right person for the job. RR seems like a fine individual. I signed up for the organ donation when he was promoting it (though I was already previously registered as an organ donor). But he is not leading this team, the flagship of Michigan athletes, with the integrity and honor that Lloyd Carr spoke of during his retirement speech by recruiting kids Bo and Lloyd wouldn't touch because they aren't Michigan Men.
If you have no tolerance for my differing opinions about where RR would be a good fit, Michigan or Miami, then you would actually be the bigot. Could I have choosen my words differently? Perhaps. But it doesn't change my overall sentiment.
So I hope you can take a moment and take back your statement as it is unfounded and completely untrue, especially when you take into account that I am an Asian Buddhist who has previously worked in medical clinics in Ethiopia, Nepal, and Thailand. I also taught creative writing courses at a correctional facility as a form of community outreach.
Instead, let's ask you to hold yourself to the same standard of reference that you use in your reply: back up your, to my eyes, at least, unfounded and completely untrue claims against the current Michigan program.
Where is the evidence that Rodriguez doesn't care about success in the classroom? How about any clear data that point to poor graduation rates. Any thoughts on the supposedly deficient character of the players?
From what I have heard, Rodriguez rather strongly emphasizes academics, and recruits young men of modesty and strong work ethic. Unless you see something to the contrary, aside from some kind of private opinion based on random moments of who-knows-what, please wait until there is an indication that your assertions actually hold up under objective scrutiny.
Some of your issues are non-items, e.g. graduation rates: he hasn't even been here long enough to compile a record in that area yet.
He did not call you a bigot. Misfits he loves to recruit? Can you say sweeping generalization? Look in the mirror and say "I am an asshole", regardless of race, creed, or national origin. And shove your Michigan Men crap where the sun doesn't shine.
"It's about setting up these kids for success and to have a bright future..."
Yeah, a degree from Michigan is like an anvil around their necks. GTFO
I like to avoid the personal attacks, but for you I'll make an exception. You are a bigot and a fucking asshole in general. Where are all these "thugs" that RR has recruited? When I look at the UM roster I see a bunch of upstanding kids who have great attitudes. And if you think previous Michigan coaches didn't take on kids with questionable pasts, you haven't been paying attention.
Jeez. When the grass is cut, the snakes'll show, indeed.
that the media in Michigan lacks the integrity possessed by the Fl papers and ask their help in explaining the witch hunt that became the stretching debacle to the fans, and solicit their help in welcoming RR back to the South. I would do this at a nice location and put on a lavish spread for the good folks in the media. I would further explain how all the negative attention by the local media cost RR dearly when it came time to recruit. I would dig up every reference to his background, culture, accent and last name I could find and present that along with my twisted version of what happens to young men from FL when the Northern media takes a dislike to them. I'd reference every single negative comment about Lloyd Carr and invite the media to go ask Henne and Long how much they hated Carr.
Edit: I'd toss in a few blog posts from folks like TheWolverineWay to help prove my point.
Oh, and I could probably save a few bux on the first contract. Thanks Michigan!
Y'all use a funny yardstick to measure these things.
The OP is a douchenozzle. That is all.
Rrod's brand has really taken a hit. I doubt Miami would consider him. It seems that most fired coaches have to sit a year or two before landing a new gig. Rrod will be a head coach again, and I think he will do well, but I doubt it will be Miami given the timing and the prestige of the job. I do see him landing in the Big East or the ACC and he will do well if he ditches his attachment to the 3-3-5.
I really couldn't see Rich Rod sitting out two years. He is very highly respected in college football amongst his peers and has a very strong resume. Why would other schools hold it against him that Michigan had unrealistic expctations during a rebuilding phase? Teams will be lined up to have him as a football coach if he is fired here, just wait and see.
Since RR is a failure with defense and special teams how can he be effective in any major conference? He is a classic example of the Peter Principle who has been promoted beyond his abilities.
Let's be honest - the national perception is that RR has failed at Michigan. If Miami were to go ahead and hire him, it'd say more about them than us. People would argue that this would just make the transition to Harbaugh a little smoother.
I think the unspoken question is whether it would dry up the Florida pipeline, whether certain current players from Florida would be more likely to transfer, whether said transfers would result in both astonishing year 2 results in Coral Gables while also hamstringing Hypothetical UM Coach in his early years and whether this would make UM's program and fans look bad (it would) for years to come. I think that's the question. But I'm sure you're of the opinion that none of these things would happen so hey smooth transition. Everything will be awesome.
...does Denard want to lose a year, especially if Michigan does decide to run a spread offense (for all this talk about Harbaugh running power football, he really doesn't, and uses Andrew Luck in spread-like situation during games...though Harbaugh'd be only one possibility).
Richard Ash would be a possibility. Ricardo Miller I'm not sure on. Dallas Crawford would be a *strong* possiblity (if not probabiliy). Vincent Smith is someone we, hate to say it, could probably afford to lose. Demitrius Hart I'm not sure on, and might depend on what Denard does. Though the truth of the matter is that we just don't know.
Before Rich got here. It would just completely dry up. Even it that were the case (it's not), how many "great" players have we gotten from Florida, other than Denard? Serviceable players, maybe even good players....but how many that are so much better than players from other states? And who's to say a new coach doesn't open up recruiting connections in say, California (where USC is now down), or Ohio, or Texas, or some other hotbed? Michigan has gotten really good players in the past from Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, Louisiana, California, and yes, Florida. As well as other states. To think Rich is to Florida as Nixon was to China has never been the case before, so there's no reason to think it will be in the future.
Not sure why you got negged for this. It seems like an honest evaluation. RR was on a lot of Top 10 Coaches lists when he was at WVU. The same thing wouldn't be said three years later. It's pretty simple.
If Miami really wanted him, they could come after him. They don't....so they won't.