Yeah, we'd have maybe 10 Big Ten wins thus far, still would've lost at least once to Sparty, would've lost to OSU at least once and would still be pissed about 8-4 regular seasons. No one was coming into this situation and turning them into instant 10 win teams.
And for those who wouldn't mind those 8-4 teams again, think back to 2005. That sucked. We were 7-5 that regular season and could've easily been 5-7 if we lost to MSU and Iowa in OT. Oh, and the miracle against PSU. This was a distaster waiting to happen and the folks who wanted Lloyd gone seem to forget that now as they as for the glory years.